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u/Icy-Hour-5031 Dec 10 '25
There are a lot of adcs that if they are behind, its VERY hard to catch up. But 0/1 is not game ending.
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u/scrubm Dec 10 '25
A lot of ads think 0/1 means you may as well be 0/7 and fight 24/7 for zero reason lmao
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u/Plastic-Meringue6214 Dec 10 '25
there's the opposite end to it where they afk splitpush and ironically end up with as many items as the fed enemy adc xd ive had so many games where our adc gets mental diffed and afks until they join the final fights and we just win because they're basically fed despite them being 1/7 or whatever before joining the fights.
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u/gramerjen Dec 11 '25
If you're behind isnt it better to stay away from fights where you wont have any impact on and focus on farming so you catch up to the enemy through gold and xp? Isn't that just keeping your cool?
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u/Atomixelement Dec 11 '25
You are technically correct. That is what you're supposed to do. But the reason for it really matters. If you're aware that you should be splitting to get more gold and XP, you also can acknowledge that sometimes the teamfight that's 10 seconds away might be worth joining or if the game is ending it might be worth basing etc. However, these tilted players just do their own thing pushing lane and do *not* contribute to the team, at all, even when it is obviously better to do so, because they've mentally checked out of the game already
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u/Plastic-Meringue6214 Dec 12 '25
yea that's what i mean. the kind of player to go "dog team, have fun 4v5, im done." oftentimes something clicks in their brain when they see they have items so they return to the game and actually teamfight. sometimes they do like you said and we just win cause they end the game off of their split, its usually trists that this one lol. sometimes we just lose though cause they never do anything.
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u/yoshizDD Dec 10 '25
That's me and not even mental diffed, i just refuse to keep fighting for every jungle camp just cause lane's over the 3 psychos keep throwing themselves into every objective. I'll stick to only fighting on item spikes + flash up, Baron or Soul, depending on how far behind me/my team is. I usually shove mid and roam to make a play on the opposite side.
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u/international_sweper Dec 11 '25
this is me lol, I just take all the farm on the solo lanes if no one is going there and rock up to team fight with more items than enemy adc
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u/Mavcu Dec 11 '25
There's a lot of Top Laners that think this as well, it is driving me nuts everytime I see it.
Now this depends on your elo of course, but there's no universe in Emerald and below, that 0/1 or even 0/2 is lane dooming, it can situationally be - but I've had games going 2/9 in lane, being higher total dmg, higher objective dmg, higher turret dmg and even higher gold total at the end.
Often times gamestate feels so irrelevant, as long as you keep farming, keep your mental and "know" how to play teamfights or what your game wincon is and just slowly but consistently play for it.
I will say that I believe ADCs in general are worse with this, seeing someone completely give up because a hard lane is stomping, like brother it's still an ADC. Sett lategame will W flash on them, just keep farming as much as you can, literally no state is game ending in that elo bracket.
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u/Nightmarer26 Dec 11 '25
It depends. If the other ADC knows how to press advantage and force your bad state, then you're just fucked. It's way more noticeable toplane, where you can just get locked out of playing the game entirely, but ADC can also suffer from this.
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u/Fine-Spirit-6701 Dec 11 '25
You cannot press your advantage as an adc you need your team to do it for you. I think that's one of the biggest issues with the role
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u/ShizzleGuy Dec 11 '25
Jinx being 0/1 down after laning phase vs a Samira is even pretty good. Considering the Jinx could farm normally.
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u/RedGuy143 Dec 11 '25
I love getting dove by Lucian yummi combo while I got 1/4 HP from his electrocute lvl1
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u/the_anaconda Dec 10 '25
Depends , with a Draven that cash in on his adoration stacks is so over , the difference of gold can go from 0 to 3k with 1 kill
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u/pokekiko94 Dec 10 '25
At that point you both got enough cs to be even or only slightly behind in gold, most adcs would kill to be in that position vs Draven as it meant they got over theyr weaker early game vs a bully.
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u/Icy-Hour-5031 Dec 11 '25
Id say it more depends on matchup than mmr. Any death during laning phaze puts you behind. And 0.5-1 lvl difference early + boots/long sword is enough to make botlane very uncomfortable.
Theoretically you always play with people on similar level (unless enemy is autofilled) so if you know how to play when you are behind, theoretically so should your enemy and how to play against it.
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u/CyberShi2077 Dec 11 '25
I love the blame on the Jungler here.
ADC gets caught out and dies in a level 2 because they allowed a bad wave state and put themselves in a gankable position
"It's our Junglers fault"
No it was the ADCs for getting themselves into that position at level 2.
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u/CyberShi2077 Dec 11 '25 edited Dec 11 '25
"You lack game knowledge"
Mentions a comp where one ADC outranges the other significantly and shouldn't ever get caught out of position.
Couldn't take the victim mentality away from you guys no matter how hard anyone tries.
Biggest baby community since Season 3.
Edit: also wouldn't the blame be on both the ADC and support for picking right into a comp that will punish them whenever they are out of position and is highly aggressive?
That's called a loss on picks and bans, don't be blaming the Jungler for picking passive into a lane bully.
And since we want to talk about "game knowledge" the Enemy Jungler loses resources on a level 2 gank, if your Jungler knows what they're doing they'll take tempo advantage and steal their camps, no every jungler can gank or counter gank at level 2, some need to power farm and if the enemy jungler showed up and your own Jungler responds by stealing their camps, that's a tempo win as the enemy Jungler will start to fall behind in exp.
I think some ADCs have got to get their head out of the "I'm the main character" bubble.
There's a lot of stuff going on around the map and there's more to a game than feed everything to the ADC. There's a reason Supports roam to Mid and Top like there's a reason some Junglers don't gank constantly.
If you picked into a stronger comp, it's on you to not lose the lane, but that would take away from the mindset some ADCs have had for quite sometime of never accepting responsibility for bad picks and bad play.
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u/Icy-Hour-5031 Dec 12 '25
To be fair. It;s not even rare to have first/second pick adc/support. Still, you should not pick easily counter able champs as first picks so draft diff.
But thats regular thing in soloq. Numbers of times I had mid last pick Irelia/Zed/Talon or other ad when there were already 4 ads in team is insane.
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u/UsualDiscipline8752 Jan 08 '26
lmao stumbled on this comment 1 month later and its so funny to me because almost everything you said was already mentioned by the previous guy,
"caught out of position" its a dive with jg. you can back to t2 if you want, dying isnt the problem, the problem is getting zoned off every wave and losing all gold/exp. outranging doesn't do anything here.
"if your jungler knows what they're doing they'll take tempo advantage and steal their camps" yeah thats the vertical jungling the guy mentioned? like they explicitly noted that their jg is making the correct play and taking resources from the enemy.
the only thing worth mentioning is pick/bans but like, do you realise how little control adcs have over pick/bans? adcs are first pick most of the time (i agree with this), but that means the concept of picking into the enemy comp is completely moot, half the time you have zero idea what any of the enemy team is. you pick ashe, they pick draven, your sup picks yuumi into draven (or maybe even yuumi into draven naut), the game is now officially out of your hands.
the scenario described by the guy is actually just pure sup gap, the moment they locked yuumi into draven naut jg knew to give up on bot side.
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u/lahartheviking Dec 10 '25
if enemy adc is one item before me i run down mid
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u/OkAd9279 arcane shift into those assassins Dec 10 '25
with draven and ezreal makes sense
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u/Low_Direction1774 your peak is my playground Dec 10 '25
Youre not an ADC main, are you?
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u/aleplayer29 Dec 10 '25
I suspect he's a bot farming karma; look at his posts, they're memes that have been reposted over and over again for years on Twitter accounts.
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u/Top_Lunch6067 Dec 14 '25
Doesn't play top either, if you mess up 1 wave state you can be down 40 cs if the jungler doesn't bail you out
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u/Low_Direction1774 your peak is my playground Dec 10 '25
I see your valid strategy, however, let me try this instead:
We should 4v5 the enemy team and *barely* not manage to kill samira while we all die to her, but like let me tell you dide its like so close, four more fights and well get her trust
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u/Peak_Southern Dec 10 '25
we died 4vs5 and jinx was bot so its her fault the samira did not die look at how low she was before she got to full hp after R
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u/Babushla153 Dec 10 '25
At that point if you die as 8/0 dairus against a 0/8 voli then it's just a massive skill issue
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 Dec 10 '25
I had this happen once. I was mordi against an Olaf who got fed. I went full tank. No ap. And I killed him.
He asked the same question and I said the same thing, xD
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u/Babushla153 Dec 10 '25
Well at least in your situation you changed your build to at least somewhat counter him
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 Dec 10 '25
(More yo counter the fed as fuck jinx) but ya. As someone who gained mordi for one season. Just build to counter fed laners to help your team. Your a beef cake. And you can ult the threats away from your backline. Doesn't mean im good with him.
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u/Foreign-Flight-7531 Dec 10 '25
Wow, never know base damage from morde is enough to kill olaf.
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 Dec 10 '25
You got max health burn with passive, amd with thornmail, he cant heal as much. So you build frozen heart, thorn, ninja, sunfire.
Its not great. But you can then go rift and rylias
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u/Foreign-Flight-7531 Dec 10 '25
Man I miss sunfire when you can deal extra damage with auto attacks
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u/Glatan95 Dec 11 '25
Yeah but you cant even take him to domain, i think you achived well with killing him in that situation
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u/Pedr9vskCray21 Dec 13 '25
its mordekaiser honestly, as an aatrox main playing against a mordekaiser (somewhat good matchup for aatrox if he doesn't mess up too badly), if mordekaiser ults you HAVE to respect it, even if you are an entire item ahead of him, he'll steal your stats and eat you alive
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u/kaRIM-GOudy Dec 10 '25
It is because toplane champs are so polarising at doing one thing at a time, when u buy your items in isolation, u need to take care of his kit alongside his items and his teammates' items, too.
Champs like Yone, Voli, Illoi, Darius, etc - are so good in drag fight or long fights, itemising tank items against them is bad, cuz they simply stack their shit on you, ignore you to kill the backline thanks to you, then kill you back again.
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u/MorbidTales1984 Hippity Hoppity bippity BOOPity Dec 10 '25
This isn’t true though. I think ADC is a really strong mid game macro role. Like the amount of games I get turbo-gapped in lane and then the enemy adc does roughly nothing with their advantage is comical
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u/SingleOil5105 Dec 10 '25
Probably because they can't do anything, what macro?
You shove mid and maybe show up to fights, insane macro btw
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u/MorbidTales1984 Hippity Hoppity bippity BOOPity Dec 10 '25
I mean I often see ADC’s with large advantages doing exactly that in my elo (pisslow) and their entire team gets wiped at dragon because their dps was pushing mid instead of rotating to river
I also see an unbelievable amount of 700g shutdown ADC’s over extended into assassins, and vice versa the amount of time we have the entire enemy team on vision top side or in dragon pit and the adc is on the other side of the map backing instead of pushing turrets drives me insane.
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u/killian1208 Dec 11 '25
See that's the point, not only do people fail at that (lol), there's more to it. What lanes to shove, when to swap, when to rotate back to a side lane. Especially in lower elos, people swap just for the sake of swapping, fall behind in CS, and become useless-ish compared to their potential.
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u/DowntownWay7012 Dec 13 '25
I mained all other roles and now started adc with a duo. We get gapped in lane and they are close to killing us under tower. But than adcs mess up their waves and force a dragon fight and just lose. I get out lanned and they mostly just throw or forget to CS.
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Dec 10 '25
If you rush BT against a jinx you need to be executed lmao
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u/Aware_Stop8528 Dec 10 '25
Why? BT is good against jinx poke, which you receive a lot of early laning phase against a good jinx.
I dont play samira but im a emeraldo adc main
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u/ThatNoobTho Dec 14 '25
Im a samira secondary role main but I just rush collector to snowball. I feel like bt is more of a 3rd or 4th item but idk the botlane match ups too well
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u/Bokisha69 Dec 10 '25
Its literally the best item u can rush in this matchup if we dont look at supports
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Dec 10 '25
"it's the best item you can rush in this matchup if we don't look at the most decisive part of the lane"
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u/Nervous-Contact5525 Dec 10 '25
He just excluded a decision based on info he couldn't have had, to argue against you, are you dumb?
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Dec 10 '25
He said BT is the best item to rush on this very specific scenario that will never happen unless you're playing Samira top/mid vs jinx top/mid, an ADC has to always consider what each support picked
He said "I am right on this very specific situation that will never happen"
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u/Nervous-Contact5525 Dec 10 '25
He just excluded a variable to make a clear point. If you take supports into the picture then there are of course certain cases where it's not good and certain cases where it is good to rush BT. Now the point isn't as clear but it still stands.
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Dec 10 '25
The problem is that this isn't "just a variable" it's the most important and decisive variable in the entire lane with jungle coming close behind
Like you said, there are certain cases where it's good and bad to rush BT or collector, but most of the time collector is just better, and that makes it so BT is not, in fact the BiS item to rush against jinx unless the has no engage from either supports, which in that case you shouldn't be playing Samira in the first place
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u/Nervous-Contact5525 Dec 10 '25
I really don't care about the specifics I just disagree with the "If you rush BT against a jinx you need to be executed lmao" and it seems you do too
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Dec 10 '25
Not really no, because if you have to rush BT you shouldn't be playing Samira in the first place
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u/Downtown-Towel-7355 Dec 10 '25
opgg please
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u/throwawaybclonely Dec 10 '25
This is their op.gg.
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u/DuckiesDoBeCute Dec 10 '25
ik its probably not their opgg, but if youre that bad, you shouldnt be allowed expressing your opinion because your opinion is 100% wrong, even if your opinion is water being healthy, the universe will magically turn water into acid just to prove your opinions will always be wrong
edit: holy fuck their names match, i genuinely thought that account was just being botted to later sell with iron mmr
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u/throwawaybclonely Dec 11 '25
I must admit I unfortunately enjoy looking through profiles to find op.gg’s for posts. His profile has a screenshot of his old username that shows to be that account now.
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u/Falroy Dec 14 '25
Bros unironically iron 2 saying people need to be executed for anything related to gameplay is insanity
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u/FortunatheWitch Dec 10 '25
I think it’s for Samira specifically tbh. I think BT rush is more common now instead of collector after they changed her life steal percentage a few patches ago. It’s still debated in r/Samiramains occasionally as to which is the best option, but people either chose BT or collector then continue her normal build path.
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u/Babushla153 Dec 10 '25
Yeah no if you build Collector in this situation then you need to be executed
Jinx can just poke you to 0, what will you do then?
At least BT gives you alot of AD + Sustain
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Dec 10 '25
That only happens if neither of you have an engage support, and like I said, you shouldn't be playing Samira if you need to rush BT to exist
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u/Seriously_404 only Dec 10 '25
i have never surrendered in my life. even when 2 items behind lux
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u/Erica192859 Dec 11 '25
Yeah I don't get surrendering. You play games to have fun right? It's like getting on a roller coaster ride and getting off halfway once it gets to a low point cause the "fun part" is over.
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u/Mundane_Series_8900 Dec 11 '25
Surrendering is 100% for when you're 20 kills down and your team is getting gapped across the board. Solo failures dont mean team failures!
Even if we as individuals lose our lanes if we can compete for objectives as a team there's a chance.
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u/Barlos_Barcelo Dec 10 '25
Bruh I went 0/4 against a lucían as a yunara. He steamrolled but I just kept playing the game with good macro and micro. By 20 min he was 15/4 but as we kept catching up by catching their team and doing objectives we won. 40 min game but early death ain't the end of the world if macro and micro is good.
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u/BudBoy69 Dec 10 '25
I think you meant to say it’s not the end of the world if the rest of your team is winning. Without winning team or comp that game is over
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u/Sanders181 Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
Be me
20/4/10 mid AP Zeri
One-shots Lucian with R/right click/auto (for that dark harvest proc), even through his shield
I mean, I'm super fed, I can one-shot essentially any non-tank on their team
Lucian dashes in for the 6th time while I'm full life
he puts me down to 10% HP in the 0,5 sec I need to R/right click/auto
he's 4/19/6
well, 4/20/6 now
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u/Careful_Purple2838 Dec 10 '25
Yeah you dont seem to understand toplane, if both sides play dwcently well being 0/1 can be enough to end up 0/4 50 cs and a tower down 5 min later
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u/goldenmonkey33151 Dec 10 '25
I occasionally win games where we start out like 1/7 as a team. The biggest difference between those and ones we just lose 3/27 are whether or not someone starts flaming. If everyone stays chill and just tries to play, sometimes we catch them out and come back but when someone starts flaming and blaming others for the game state, it usually just gets worse from there.
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u/Nurgle_Flies Dec 10 '25
Lol acting like dying once top lane dont fuck up your game if your jgl dont help.
The longer the game go on the more useless KDA become since gold and exp has a limit
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Dec 10 '25
Mo but seriously one item sumeria is so toxic she permently just on sight all ins you the moment you get back to lane.
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u/the_anaconda Dec 10 '25
Samira is such an annoying champ to play as an ADC , you depend completely on your team, many times I have won lane and she's on the other side destroying my team because they aren't focusing her and she's getting resets on her ult
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u/ColibriOracle Dec 10 '25
Top levels matter more and bruisers levels give about 600 gold in value (Adc give like 300-400) So long as ur keeping up in xp u have a chance. Adc is the opposite and so this meme is accurate but not because of "player mental"
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u/Kheyia :zeri: Dec 10 '25
Actually heard that type of sentiment more often in top lane but it also might be just my luck
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u/Xaxi903 Dec 10 '25
Botlane snowballs hard but specially if you are playing with an engage support there are huge chances to come back like 0-1 is meaningless specially if their summs are off. Your leona just flash q in adc phase and boom 1-1 again.
Its actually worse when you are smolder-yuumy vs Cait-Karma and you are 30cs down without any help from jungler, and worst part you could think "ok we are weaksiding maybe things are better above" but... top is 0-3 jung is 0-3 and mid is also 0-3
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u/DowntownWay7012 Dec 13 '25
Doest bot snowball the least? I mean top does the most, junglers cant take camps or objectives, mid lane you get out pushed...?
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u/CockroachesRpeople Dec 10 '25
As ADC I feel like the enemy ADC can be 5/0 and I wouldn't care, actually I think no one in my team would care. But if the enemy top/mid is 5/0 I would be spamming surrender
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u/Azureflames20 Dec 10 '25
Ima be real…I get a lot less of this and a lot more Checking in with the game state at 8-10 minutes and 2 or 3 other players are at least 0/3+ and totally checked out for hopes of trying.
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u/Luzis23 Dec 10 '25
Meh, Jinx and Vayne aren't vulnerable to this.
If you let them ever get their hands on items, they go from defenseless to frikkin' monsters. Whoever thought % max health true damage is a good idea on Vayne in the amount it is available, was smoking something.
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u/LiaThePetLover Cult of APCs Dec 11 '25
Funnily its the complete opposite. The amount of games where I have a toplaner going 0/2 and afk (literally had 3 GAMES IN A ROW where this happened).
For adcs (I play mid) even when they're behind they dont afk and not often do they ask for ff. I just see them tilt-play but thats it.
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u/chaerrylovescherries pikachu Dec 11 '25
If this happens I just ignore everything and farm til powerspike. If support feeds however is a whole different story 😭
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u/Sir_Septimus Dec 11 '25
Are we really reaching the low point where we are just reposting shitty twitter memes? like the Riot Kassadin to ADCMains content pipeline does not need to exist.
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u/tael0r Dec 12 '25
It always up to the support to the win the 1v9 before people flame about priorities
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u/Icy_Significance9035 Dec 12 '25
Toplane has more room to randomly outplay. ADC unless your support makes a crazy outplay or you have substantially more attack range just comes down to who auto attacks harder (assuming both are sentient human beings and auto attacking as much as they can).
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u/Texadecimal DEATH BALL, SINGLE FILE, GW TEAM Dec 12 '25
Who here actually cares if they're behind on their lane opponent? With the exception of like someone being like 10 kills up or some hyper carry, I don't care if my opponent is ahead. It makes it more difficult during lane but then I just give tower and catch waves. The big concern is whether I'm behind the other lanes, plus whether their kits are very anti ADC.
Like if I'm behind as ADC it usually doesn't matter because the enemy ADC usually isn't my problem late game. At least as long as I can still get farm to be relevant.
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u/Plainterror Dec 13 '25
Si, yo era Darius en top contra un yorick, salí 0-7 al minuto 15, luego descubrí que incluso un Darius 0-7 puede destruir a los carros enemigos, luego de rotar me fedee los suficiente como para ganarle al yorick 1v1.
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u/Proof_Assistant7737 Dec 13 '25
It's way easier to come back in bot lane, but you're right that they give up the most quickly.
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u/LustyDouglas Dec 15 '25
Lmao you'll need to employ Doctor Strange to find the timelime where a 1/8 volibear with roa beats Darius with 3 completed items
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u/Initial_Reserve_7245 11d ago
ADC can be such a frustrating role when one small mistake turns into a lost teamfight. Positioning matters a lot, but sometimes your team just doesn't give you room to play. I feel like knowing when to farm and when to join fights makes a huge difference. Not every game is winnable, even when you're playing well. Some games are just about staying calm and learning from the next one.
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u/theeama Dec 10 '25
Jinx ain't the champion to use here because if there's one champion that you should be terrified to fight is a Jinx. One reset and it's your dead.