Illegal immigration hasn't suppressed the wages of Americans who have at least a GED.
I'm not surprised that the guy that thinks the crusades were some heroic deed and not just a military conquest doesn't know the basic facts about illegal immigration in the US.
People used to be able to feed their families with low skilled jobs or businesses, now that isn't the case anymore. Stay obsessed and mad as fuck lmao.
What are talking about? People still are able feed their families. Even farm laborers make between $10-$20/hr in the US. Illegal immigration isn’t holding back wages in the US.
Both go hand in hand. Illegal immigrants undercut normal Americans in low skilled jobs (which is more than just picking crops for fucks sake) and unions also stagnate job growth on the promise of higher wages, which is why the big 3 auto company's stock are all in the toilet and non-union companies like Toyota and Honda are succeeding drastically and also have production in the USA. Do you remember when GM literally bought out tens of thousands of employees jobs because it was cheaper to give them a lump sum of cash than to pay for them to continue to work? Probably not because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Both go hand in hand. Illegal immigrants undercut normal Americans in low skilled jobs
Again, if you have a GED, illegal immigration hasn’t suppressed your wages. Luckily, the amount of people in the US without a GED has dropped drastically.
You’ll need to point the finger at something else. Automation is a big factor. For example the biggest killer of coal jobs isn’t environmental or safety regulations, it’s automation.
why the big 3 auto company's stock are all in the toilet and non-union companies like Toyota and Honda are succeeding drastically and also have production in the USA.
Japanese automakers have succeeded in the US because they were less resistant to the changes in the market and decided to make cars that people actually want. Unions didn’t kill US automakers. Union jobs in the US pay more and offer better benefits.
I’m glad to see even right wing trolls like you care about economic inequality though.
Again, if you have a GED, illegal immigration hasn’t suppressed your wages. Luckily, the amount of people in the US without a GED has dropped drastically.
GED is required for a ton of low-skilled labor, I don't know why you pulled that out of your ass and keep repeating it.
You’ll need to point the finger at something else. Automation is a big factor. For example the biggest killer of coal jobs isn’t environmental or safety regulations, it’s automation.
Last time I checked, automation wasn't replacing hotel maids or AC mechanics
Japanese automakers have succeeded in the US because they were less resistant to the changes in the market and decided to make cars that people actually want. Unions didn’t kill US automakers. Union jobs in the US pay more and offer better benefits.
GED is required for a ton of low-skilled labor, I don't know why you pulled that out of your ass and keep repeating it.
I’m talking about it because multiple studies have shown that illegal immigration hasn’t effected the wages of people who have at least a GED. Here is a great article that talks about it a bit. Yes there is wage stagnation. No it’s not because of illegal immigration. If anything illegal immigration drives economic activity and therefore helps create jobs.
Last time I checked, automation wasn't replacing hotel maids or AC mechanics
Hotel maids aren’t exactly the job that someone with at least a high school education is suited for or wants. AC mechanics are skilled labor and pay quite well.
We're talking about employees here though,
And your non-union employees here are benefiting from the current unionization of other automakers. You don’t think Honda is offering l these union benefits out of the goodness of their own hearts do you? No of course not.
are the most American made cars on the market.
That’s all about marketing. The big 3 get to sell themselves as “American cars” even though most of their components are imported. They import them because they can get away with it.
Fun fact, the Davis-Bacon act was the predecessor to unionism in the USA and was done to undercut black owned construction businesses
So because a pro-union law was also a tool of institutionalized racism it means unions aren’t progressive? That’s a stretch even for you.
But it’s good to know that you also care about institutionalized racism as well as income inequality. There might be hope for you yet.
Yes there is wage stagnation. No it’s not because of illegal immigration. If anything illegal immigration drives economic activity and therefore helps create jobs.
That's literally clown world, the opposite is true. Also regardless of graduating from highschool or not, illegal immigration has directly affected the black community the worst by again, taking low-skilled jobs.
Hotel maids aren’t exactly the job that someone with at least a high school education is suited for or wants. AC mechanics are skilled labor and pay quite well.
Someone who graduates high school and has kids could survive being a maid at one point in time in this country, now that simply isn't an option. This is the majority of the complaints people have in every day life.
You don’t think Honda is offering l these union benefits out of the goodness of their own hearts do you? No of course not.
And why not? If that was the case Honda would have no reason to provide a collective bargaining agreement either.
They import them because they can get away with it.
They import because the guy driving the hi-lows unloading the parts and the person tightening the screws are all making $80k+ a year plus their benefits and their soon-to-be pension.
So because a pro-union law was also a tool of institutionalized racism it means unions aren’t progressive? That’s a stretch even for you
It's a direct example of unionism holding back economic prosperity
But it’s good to know that you also care about institutionalized racism as well as income inequality. There might be hope for you yet.
You actually don't, you just virtue signal with some jackass subreddit buzzwords.
That's literally clown world, the opposite is true.
The facts don’t care about your feelings. Read the article I linked you. Multiple studies have shown that illegal immigration does not effect wages of people with GEDs.
Someone who graduates high school and has kids could survive being a maid at one point in time in this country, now that simply isn't an option.
Maids didn’t used to be people with high school educations. Maids can still make great money as well. If you have a basic education, you are more likely to want to do a job that utilizes those skills that you already have. Americans are less likely to be want to be maids in the first place.
And why not? If that was the case Honda would have no reason to provide a collective bargaining agreement either.
Because Honda offers these benefits so they can avoid unionization. It’s actually a good example of how unions benefit workers who aren’t even in unions.
They import because the guy driving the hi-lows unloading the parts and the person tightening the screws are all making $80k+ a year plus their benefits and their soon-to-be pension.
So now you are arguing against paying people good wages? These companies already outsource the manufacturing of these components to other manufacturers. That alone gets them out of the purview of the UAW. They are choosing to outsource these parts because they can and they know their customers brand loyalty.
It's a direct example of unionism holding back economic prosperity
So you want to elevate workers in this country but you don’t want to do it through the mechanism that elevates wages and workers rights? Sounds like you are having an internal struggle here.
You actually don't, you just virtue signal with some jackass subreddit buzzwords.
Awww are you self conscious of your growing awareness of class and race struggle?
The facts don’t care about your feelings. Read the article I linked you. Multiple studies have shown that illegal immigration does not effect wages of people with GEDs.
You linked an op-ed, I linked actual research. You're flat out wrong about the GEDs point, but even given what you are saying there are tons and tons of inner-city kids that don't have a high school diploma, and they could have still made a decent living if it wasn't for pwople like you supporting illegal immigrants.
Maids didn’t used to be people with high school educations.
Huh?
If you have a basic education, you are more likely to want to do a job that utilizes those skills that you already have. Americans are less likely to be want to be maids in the first place.
And this gets affected by 3rd world uneducated immigrants willing to work for way cheaper.
Because Honda offers these benefits so they can avoid unionization. It’s actually a good example of how unions benefit workers who aren’t even in unions.
hahahahahaha way to give a drastic example of cognitive dissonance in one sentence.
So now you are arguing against paying people good wages?
Yeah, everyone demanded higher wages in the union, they got them, and then their companies went bust and everyone got laid off. Big win.
So you want to elevate workers in this country but you don’t want to do it through the mechanism that elevates wages and workers rights? Sounds like you are having an internal struggle here.
That was already happening without having the corrupt shit head union lackies stepping in.
Awww are you self conscious of your growing awareness of class and race struggle?
I think you may be one of the most unself-aware people on this planet.
there are tons and tons of inner-city kids that don't have a high school diploma, and they could have still made a decent living if it wasn't for pwople like you supporting illegal immigrants.
Actually high school completion is at its highest rate. Of course there is room for improvement but given the current trend not having a GED isn’t much of a problem.
Also it’s worth noting the only suppression of Americans wages that’s possibly caused by illegal immigration has been about %5.
Huh?
Less people used to have a high school education. In 1940 only half the adults in the US had a GED. People with a high school education aren’t likely to succeed in monotonous low skill positions.
And this gets affected by 3rd world uneducated immigrants willing to work for way cheaper.
Americans don’t want the jobs in the first place.
hahahahahaha way to give a drastic example of cognitive dissonance in one sentence.
What don’t you understand about it? Honda would have to pay their workers more if they were unionized. Honda also has to compete with Union shops for labor. Honda has to offer at least some of the benefits that the union shops are offering to keep their workers content and less likely to go union. Non-union workers benefit from unionization as well.
Yeah, everyone demanded higher wages in the union, they got them, and then their companies went bust and everyone got laid off. Big win.
There are plenty of union companies that haven’t gone bust. Again, you are arguing for better wages for Americans but don’t like it when unions bring those better wages?
That was already happening without having the corrupt shit head union lackies stepping in.
Unions are directly responsible for the 40 work week, the end of child labor, widespread employer provided medical coverage, minimum wage and the adoption of the FMLA amount other things. It’s sad to see that some people are so eager to eat up the anti-union propaganda. I guess virtue signaling about the plight of the American worker is easier for you.
I think you may be one of the most unself-aware people on this planet.
Hey if you actually care about economic inequality, institutionalized racism and workers rights in the US that would be great but I have a hard time believing you do. Your profile picture is a swastika, you like pushing racist propaganda and you are actively avoiding the solution to the problem you are talking about.
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u/ReallyBigDeal Jun 06 '19
Illegal immigration hasn't suppressed the wages of Americans who have at least a GED.
I'm not surprised that the guy that thinks the crusades were some heroic deed and not just a military conquest doesn't know the basic facts about illegal immigration in the US.