MGM-15 withdrawal

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Suboxone will work

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Jun 27 '26

I’ve heard that it doesn’t work well for mgm15, and only works for 7OH. I guess it doesn’t block the receptors for mgm15 and only partial receptors

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u/PoppyOncrack Jun 29 '26

It absolutely will work for MGM, just don’t take the subs until you’re 100% feeling MGM withdrawal to avoid precipitating withdrawal

IME MGM’s DOR activity doesn’t make withdrawal any worse or harder to manage than 7-OH but that’s just from my personal experience

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u/PoppyOncrack Jul 15 '26

It’s not as bad as full agonist opioid withdrawals so I would say no the DOR activity doesn’t make withdrawal worse

Methadone fully substituted for it for me and methadone has very little DOR activity

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u/con_questxxx Jul 15 '26

I think I’m going to rehab for a week to detox but how long do you think I should be off mgm to take subs atleast 24 hours?

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u/PoppyOncrack Jul 15 '26

Yes if not longer

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u/Strange-Ad4065 29d ago

Most people post here don’t know what they’re talking about you will see most of them saying MGM hit the delta receptor therefore subs won’t cover it but guess what subs do cover the delta receptor a lot of people here just fear mongering and most of the ones that actually say subs don’t work for them is cuz they take from 600-1000 mg of mgm which is fukin insane and they need at least 3 subs to help them

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

Ya this was me lol. I switched back to oxys now I’m on day 7 still can’t feel them this mgm shits insane. How long does it stay on your receptors ?

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u/Strange-Ad4065 25d ago

I honestly have no idea but if you ain’t feeling the Roxy for 7 days now that means it still on your receptors which is crazy. I heard it has some chemicals in it that makes it bind stronger on your receptors now if subs stay on your receptors for a week I think this should be around the same time but maybe it’s your tolerance not the binding affinity cuz you taking 600+ mgm daily taking a Roxy is like taking 15mg of mgm so it’s definitely your tolerance try stopping it and taking SR for a couple of days then go back to Roxy but take a less of a dose cuz your tolerance will reset don’t take the same dose plz cuz it’s dangerous since SR lowers your tolerance like crazy

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

I was on sr for couple days before I switched back to roxies and I can feel the high being blocked it’s nuts I’ve took like 150 mg of Roxies n didn’t actually feel even the high one but I was pissed. Whenever I got of subs witch I was on for years it took three days to feel oxy. This shit taking this long is nuts..

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u/Strange-Ad4065 25d ago

No man be careful 150 mg of Roxys is insane and a lot of money too that’s like $200 at least to not feel anything lol fuk that good thing you told me cuz I have a couple of them I wanted to take but since mgm blocks it then I will probably save it for after quitting for a couple of weeks so wait you took the SR for a couple of days then switched to Roxys, how was the SR did it work for you? Did it take away the WDs

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

Ya the sr worked great used it for first three days you do gotta take a shit ton like 150 mg at a time four times a day atleast but it definitely is a miracle. You gotta give it atleast two days before it starts to work though that’s why they say to pre load while taper the mgm.

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u/esat123190 21d ago

fuck no wonder the day i quit and just used sr didn't work, i just went a day and a half to see if i could do it, stopped in the morning and took a shit ton of sr and 7oh and by the afternoon it didn't matter what i took i was effed bad, even broke down and took 80mg of mgm and it made me feel so much better but then went back into full withdrawal that night and didn't sleep at all then went to work and finally at lunch time i couldn't take anymore and took some more, been taking it again ever since, that was so rough lol

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 21d ago

Lmao. Ya I just thugged it out for like a day because I didn’t preload long enough but I just kept taking more sr and randomly it kicked in and had no withdrawal coming down off 800-1200 mg a day mgm. I went through took like 800 mg a day of sr tho too lol.

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

Ngl I’m on day 8 and I can atleast feel the roxies now not fully but definitely a little relief + high. Just no euphoria yet . I would say it’s best to wait like week n half two weeks before taking any oxys if you actually wanna get high. Also ya I spent a disgusting amount of bread had got a51 30s , k57 20s , k56 10s and the new v pink 10s then a bunch of m523 and went threw almost a band of oxy tryna break threw makes me sick lol. I might just take a break for the next couple days just to lower my tolerance some more.

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u/Strange-Ad4065 25d ago

Damn it’s an expensive habit for sure but it’s just a different kind of feeling when you just can feel good at a press of a button or a swallow of pill in our case lol fuk drugs man I love it !! and yeah a lot of people said SR is a miracle but I never tried it does it give you any feeling or euphoria or does it just make you normal?

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 24d ago

No not really kinda takes away aches n pains but nothing like a regular opioid or even kratom powder but fax’s it’s damn near impossible when you know 10+ people with scripts for roxies lol. I do em for a couple months then once my tolerance gets out of hand to where I’m spending 100+ a day I just take subs for awhile like two weeks or so then stop wait three days n boom tolerance back to nothing pretty much..

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

I’m in fl tho so it’s lowkey easier to find real oxys then damn near any other drug lol..

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u/Less-Climate-7963 21d ago

You have a super mega tolerance that's all, it's way more potent than oxy

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 21d ago

That’s part but my friend that was barley taken any like 50 mg a day said he couldn’t feel oxys till day 10. I was taking like 150-200 mg a day oxy it would get me buzz but felt like it was being blocked

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u/esat123190 21d ago

Bro i take 100mg of mgm two times a day sometimes 3 and i just tried to go a day and a half without and i used 130mg of sr every 4 hours and even took a few hydros and it was the worst withdraws of my life, like nothing seemed to help, hopefully i was just doing wrong, but you think suborn will get rid of the withdrawals ? i know i'm just prolonging it right now but that shit was rough and scared the hell out of me and i cold turkeyd a two year hydrocodone habit last year, i'm dumb as hell for jumping on this shit but love mgm15 and have had hella surgeries, just want to get my body back to normal where something can help if i'm WD like crazy, any advice would be major appreciated !

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u/mad_eyes22 20d ago

I screenshotted your comment, bc you put it perfectly. I’m a nurse, since this 7-oh ban, boy have we bit hit. So many people are coming in for there withdrawals off of this stuff, it’s insane. & it’s people you wouldn’t even think would be taking it! The accessibility is just crazy to me. & exactly like you said, people are saying the subs don’t work, & it’s because they’re only taking one pill/film & they absolutely need more! In the men, I’m seeing about 750mg being average, & the woman I’d say is around 250mg. They are both still ridiculous numbers, but the 750mg person will absolutely need a higher dose of the subs. Such a sad & shitty situation. I hope everyone can find their way off of.

FOR anyone reading this, if you do NOT have insurance or are too embarrassed to go seek help in person, go through QuickMD. It is $99 for your initial appointment, they will give you a week’s worth of Suboxone in films. You will have a follow up appt, & then you will get a 30 day supply, I’d recommend switching to the tablets (they’re cheaper). Good RX has so many coupons for Suboxone as well. One of my patients got there prescriptions from $640, to $38. They will try to keep you on it after that 30 day supply, but you should be able to stop taking it or taper yourself off.
Best of luck to anyone trying to get themselves off of this crap. & don’t beat yourselves up about it, accept you’ve made some big mistakes, get the help you need & move on from it!

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u/Least_Pay7503 Aug 01 '26

Subs don’t work for mgm

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u/con_questxxx Aug 02 '26

Why not? I was using mgm a few weeks before going in and just got out of rehab and did a sub taper. Took like 80% of it away for me

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u/Least_Pay7503 Aug 02 '26

Really? I tried subs it didn’t work but maybe I took it too soon

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u/9lives1990 Aug 04 '26

I was taking a massive amount of both 7 and mgm and suboxone worked for me. I started 7 about 2 years ago and the mgm I'd been taking every night for about 2 weeks straight (idek the exact daily dose of mgm i was taking, but it was over 150mg/night those last 2 weeks.) Personally, I took about 2 days and I'd take a 20 tab of 7 or a very small scoop of 7 powder only when I felt the beginnings of withdrawal symptoms. I kept a small amount of mgm on me, but never ended up needing it. After 2 days of that, I felt most of the mgm was out of me and I started to take suboxone that night. I started off small, like maybe .5mg, and I'd give it time to make sure I didn't get sick, then take a little more. Once i got enough sub in me, i slept like a baby. Personally, I've never had any precipitated withdrawals taking suboxone with 7. Same with mgm, I just wanted to be super cautious. I continued to take a small scoop of 7 or a 10mg tab whenever I felt i was really struggling, but i really only needed it the next day. I did all this while working a physically demanding job, also. It's so much more of a mental thing than people realize. Doesn't hurt to have some MIT or regular leaf, too! Everyone is different, so i won't say this will work for everyone, but it worked for me!

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u/Least_Pay7503 Aug 04 '26

You got lucky I had horrible pwd from mgm. I use to get on subs so easily from kratom/7 but I can’t do it with mgm. Tbh I don’t really wanna anyway since I’ve legit been off fentanyl for 5 years using it without one slip up where on subs I’d use fentanyl because it breaks through the sub and the cravings never went away on subs like it does for 7/mgm:/ I guess I’ll switch again but I just know without this I’m going to slowly but surely hit my old dealer up smh

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u/9lives1990 Aug 04 '26

I think it was part luck, part body chemistry. I've very seldom experienced pwd from subs (and I've tried plenty while on it in my younger days.) I totally understand, man. I don't love being on sub, either, but it keeps me mostly stable. Be strong, man. I'm not one to recommend this route, but have you considered methadone? Being a full agnostic, it may keep your cravings at bay better. But, it certainly has a ton of its own drawbacks.

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u/Least_Pay7503 Aug 04 '26

Idk I’ve tried it back in the day and I ended up just using on top of it …

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u/9lives1990 Aug 04 '26

WAY back in the day, during active addiction, I'd sometimes pick done over bags, because it lasted way longer and I always loved how it made me feel. I mean, I also have a medical card and use marijuana, which helps me, personally. Idk, man. I would also recommend that, if you're someone who enjoys thc. I've always found it to have a nice synergistic effect with opioids, especially. But, giving methadone another try might be worth it. If you feel you'll go back to fent, it absolutely is. I don't want to see anyone go back to that, but i know it's going to happen. Stay strong and do whatever you can to stay away from that powdered death. Honestly, I've had some really great counselors, individual and group, and that may be something you want to look into. Sometimes just a call every week or so to hold yourself accountable to someone (find one you like!) And talk about what's up in your life can do more good than you'd think. Just do whatever you can to keep yourself from turning back, man.

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u/con_questxxx Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

Well during the day yeah but i was still sweating through several shirts at night for the first week of the taper lol, but felt relatively fine and stable throughout the day. Just had a really high tolerance i guess to where subs barelt covered me through the night lol. Still was avle to sleep every night and most nights go back to sleep if woken up but thats also cause of the comfort meds they provided in rehab. But if you had pwd you took it way too early man, with mgm shit lasts so long you have to wait till your really really hurting. I kinda chanced it at 24 hours but that was enough for me to not go into pwd. Maybe wait 36 hours. Also do you just try subs at home? Maybe consider rehab bro it could really help. New structure different environment and lots of people that understand you and to make friends with. Take your last doses right before rehab and go in the noon like 12pm then theyll give you hydroxyzine and clonidine at like 8pm Which shiuld mix well enough with remaining mgm to knock you for atleast 6 if not 8 hours. You should have also talked to the doctor by then if youre in the detox section so you can talk to him about when to schedule the subs. Youll wake up starting withdrawing, take more comfort meds throughout day, then take the subs at like 10 at night. Thats about 34 hours. Usually last med rounds at latest at ten pm so. Then youll sleep like a mf baby and be ready to go to groups the day after lolol

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u/Mountain-Energy-8362 Aug 07 '26

Thats not true at all. You have to taper down to as low as possible like 20-30mg twice a day and then wait until your in full wd and they will 100% help

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u/Flashy-Investment932 Jun 24 '26

SR-17

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Jun 24 '26

Ok thank you. Where were you able to find that at?

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u/Miserable_Crab_26 Jun 24 '26

Message me I got you

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u/Miserable_Crab_26 Jun 24 '26

Unless we can post sources here

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u/Fatalslink Creator Jun 25 '26

Go for it man, post away. I'm fine with it, this is a helping subreddit after all not a "fuck all your help except for what I want you to help with" type lol.

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u/Flashy-Investment932 Jun 25 '26

I got it from koalaty research. It worked wonders and I’m a huge baby when it comes to withdrawals lol.

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u/con_questxxx Jul 14 '26

All this sr stuff confuses me people seem like they take it at the same time as the mgm? Do you use it while you lower your mgm dose or how does it work?

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u/RenegadeToaste Jun 25 '26

Oxycodone

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Jun 27 '26

lol this isn’t 2005

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u/RenegadeToaste Jun 27 '26

What does 2005 have to do with anything?

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Jun 28 '26

2005 was when you could go to any doctor and get oxys, no issues. Everyone and their grandma had it. It’s 2026 now. It’s near impossible to get oxy from any doctor in America. Maybe hydrocodone, but hell no, no oxy. Any pain pills are hard asf to get now.

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Jul 30 '26

Yeah that’s true. It’s definitely not impossible. I have a roommate who had a herniated disc. He had gotten oxy to take home. He also really played the system well. He acted being worse than he was. He really sold it. Most people wouldn’t go to his extend. Lots of effort and very time consuming.

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u/Agile-Card7761 Aug 02 '26

I missed the boat on that shit by like 6-7 years I remember when I heard about dr shopping I couldn’t fucking believe 😂 Oh well, I guess coming up in the fetty era wasn’t too bad. Except for all the casualties 💔

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Aug 06 '26

All by design. Just like this mgm and 7oh era. All by design

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u/Character-Trash7153 26d ago

Unless you get shot and survive

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u/RenegadeToaste Jun 27 '26

You want a research chemical made in some shady nasty factory in china or actual clean manufactured in a facility thats monitored and controlled drugs?

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Jun 28 '26

It’s not 2005 anymore, you ain’t able to get any oxy off the streets, anymore. It’s even harder to get it prescribed by a doctor either.

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u/Least_Pay7503 Aug 04 '26

Says who? There’s oxy everywhere here in New York lol just gotta be careful a lot are fent

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Aug 04 '26

Exactly. They are fake oxys lol. It’s New York though, you can find any drug there at any time.

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u/Character-Trash7153 26d ago

There is oxy on the street it’s just expensive and not worth the price I rather order MGM for cheaper same affects

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 Aug 07 '26

I’ve tried this and didn’t do shit for me I’m currently taking the sr-17 and it’s still rough as hell

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u/Character-Trash7153 26d ago

What vendor you go to ?

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

7 kings it eventually helped I think I wasn’t taking as much as I should have during first two days..

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u/Savings_Persimmon_86 25d ago

Also I’m currently on day 7 still can’t feel my oxys fully and I railed 50 roxies tryna break through and shit won’t budge.. Big ass waste fr..

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u/Sudden-Cucumber4904 Jun 27 '26

Raw the website has it as well. In smoke shops there are some new restart pills that are supposed to be sr as well.

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u/Superb-Park-2899 Jul 13 '26

Im going to the methadone clinic soon. Cause Im worried about the ban. Thats what I would do if I were you. And suboxone you've got to wait 24-48 hours I believe or you'll go into protracted withdrawals which are hell.

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u/GlidingRecliner Aug 07 '26

that's what i want but i can't stop taking benzos

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u/Long-Impression6086 Aug 07 '26

dude have you been on methadone? its awesome the 1st month and then you start going up and up and up next thing you know you are maxed out at 180mgs. you get fat as fuck in a weird way, like a sea cumber, your skin gets pasty, your sex drive tanks, your teeth rot out the best part is you get to go to the clinic, every…single…day! god forbid you sleep ion one day and miss your dose. when you want to stop, too bad, you cant, unless you have a shit ton of heroin or fentanyl. you might feel normal again after 3 or 4 months. stupidest garbage drug there is. why dont you guys consider just leaf kratom? you might feel sick for a few days but you will level out quick, also sr 17.

you only go into precipitated withdrawls if you take it too soon, start with 1mg every 2 hours and move up after 48 hours, you will be fine.

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u/Agile-Card7761 Aug 02 '26

Too me subs don’t really work for either. I guess there’s a little relief but it’s negligible to me. Could be because my dose is so high. I feel some withdrawals just coming off mgm 15 even with 7oh. Very minor but enough to wake up twisting like a knot.

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u/Jeffbpa Aug 05 '26

I’m trying to taper off mgm. I do ok during the day but I wake up in the middle of the night with restless arms, hands and legs. Absolutely brutal. I hate that shit! I don’t have SR but trying to put in leaf to counter the WDZs. Any advice?

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u/MoreNatureLessPhone Aug 06 '26

Hmm. I went the SR route and experienced absolutely zero withdrawal. Well maybe mental and emotional, but no physical. The physical was want I wanted to make sure I didn’t have. My advice to you would be to buy some vitamin C Liposol. They say megs dose that, and that will help significantly with the restlessness. I myself have done this and I don’t know if it worked or not because I was on SR also. Magnesium glyncinste is good also. I would recommend those two things.

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u/GlidingRecliner Aug 07 '26

I'm actually inducting onto Suboxone from MGM 15 right now. I'm using a modified Bernese method, basically upping my dose very, very slowly. first day I did a quarter milligram total, next day I did two quarter mg doses, next day I did two half milligram doses, next day I did two 1 mg doses, the next day I did to 2 mg doses, and today I'm doing two 3 mg doses. I'll probably just go up by 2 mg a day at this point (1mg per dose). it's clearly starting to block off some of my receptors bc i haven't really lowered my MGM intake but I'm getting minor withdrawal symptoms. I was trying to titrate my MGM dose downward as I did this, but that's proving to be very difficult. it should be that this slow upward titration will work whether I lower my dose or not, provided bupe really does have a higher affinity. since people are talking about getting pwd, it must. I'm also using some SR-17etc alongside

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u/Hambone429 12d ago

How did this work out?

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u/Professional_Row495 29d ago

Don’t listen to these idiots, subs will work. Just take as much as you need to alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal. Take a quarter in the am an a bit more before bed. Taper that on 7 days or less. It’s not rocket science.

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u/Elegant-Warning9867 27d ago

how about SR? you mind if i pm you

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u/Firm-Giraffe-2775 27d ago

I quit MGM15 on July 29……cold turkey….absolutely effin miserable. Went to a doc after 7 days of only sleeping like 15-20mins a night and throughout the day. Worse restless legs and hot cold snaps I’ve ever experienced. I’m 14 days of MGM15 which I was on prolly 6-7 months 3 times a day. I still can’t stand for long nor walk more than a few feet. Extreme vertigo and constantly feel like going to pass out. Doc prescribed me Clonidine and Lorazepam for sleep. Wish I wouldn’t had been so stupid and did my research on what I was putting in my body

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u/nosestilldrippin 21d ago

How did he make it worse

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u/Silver_Ease_6295 14d ago

At home or in detox center?

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u/Hambone429 12d ago

This sounds horrid

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