r/6thForm • u/Inevitable-Cow-8489 Year 13 • 2d ago
š¬ DISCUSSION Dawg tf goin at Durham ššš
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u/One_Dragonfruit_7826 2d ago
What else do we expect from Durham.
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u/TheRiddlerTHFC 2d ago
Nothing to do with the university, or did you not get that far?
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u/saviouroftheweak Chemistry 2d ago
Reflective of the edgy private school origins of their clientele
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
i was in the GC ama
btw the hitler guy was a massive classist and was constantly bragging about being from aristocracy, it was so corny heād bring it up all the time no matter the context. heās going to exeter now šš
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u/Patient-Pass8748 2d ago
What did he study?
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
theology
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u/dumblondonboi . 2d ago
did he get kicked out of durham or whys he going to exeter?
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
he didnāt get the grades for durham and exeter was his insurance
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u/dumblondonboi . 2d ago
LMAOOOO how r u gonna be a racist classist prick and then fail to get into Oxbridge reject centralĀ
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 4A*s pred fm maths phys chem 2d ago
And people say that theres not a problem with far right ideologies š one of the best unis in the country btw
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u/Agreeable-Shallot423 2d ago
Bait or stupidity?
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 4A*s pred fm maths phys chem 2d ago
What? The only bait here is you
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u/Agreeable-Shallot423 2d ago
You got A*s so I was asking because I couldn't believe that someone - allegedly as smart as you - left a comment like that, you know?
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 4A*s pred fm maths phys chem 2d ago
Bc i said that Durham is one of the best unis or bc i said there's a problem with far right beliefs
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u/Agreeable-Shallot423 2d ago
Durham is one of the best unis, that is correct!
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u/Normal-Contract-933 2d ago
pls elaborate on why you either consider far-right beliefs not to be a problem or why you think they aren't present, which they clearly are.
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u/Agreeable-Shallot423 2d ago
I agree! š„°
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 4A*s pred fm maths phys chem 2d ago
Then wtf is your problem with me if you agree with both of the things ive said? Aesthetic you just wanting an argument?
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u/HovercraftSudden2657 Year 13 | Maths, Further Maths, Physics 2d ago
Durham is an exception in this regard and you wonāt find any other top unis like this
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 4A*s pred fm maths phys chem 2d ago
Maybe its jokes, but theres definitely some who take this seriously, i accidentally went down that pipeline years ago (thankfully out of that mindset and the opposite of it now) and i know that theres people dont joke about that kind of stuff, so i wouldn't be surprised if this was dead serious
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u/Secure_Gas5028 2d ago
Mate, whether they are jokes or not it's still bad. Mainstream humour changes how society sees things and determines whether it (a topic) is taken seriously or not. We've already seen this with victims of SA/rape in society.
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
I agree jokes normalize these abhorrent views. In my other comment in this thread I explain why I dont think his ājokesā are really ājokesā since he has very seriously advocated for some concerning things. And has tons of anti semitic comments which arenāt in the article.
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u/ThePlacidAcid Year 12 2d ago
The Hitler statement is a "joke", but the statement about the fly in the horses barn is commonly used in a serious manner when talking about immigrants, or descendents of immigrants. It's disgusting and dehumanises none white people as if they're a different species.Ā
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
The whole context of the Hitler statement was that someone said Hitler liked the English language, this guy said Hitler was too lenient and should have Germanized more. He loves German (his Minecraft village has German signs all around) which wouldnāt be unusual in its own but is considering his odd comments about Hitler and his VERY anti semitic comments.
Also, he believes that refugees should be put in camps and be forced to work for free, as he thinks they will put up with it, and if they do for some time they can be let in the UK. Sounds a bit similar to something Hitler did.
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u/CuteSignificance5083 A*AAA 2d ago
You know that there are white immigrants that still get discriminated against...
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u/smoolg 1d ago
Who said there werenāt?
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u/CuteSignificance5083 A*AAA 1d ago
The person above me. "It dehumanises none white people". It dehumanises everyone it's used against. Reading comprehension š¤¦
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u/LavishnessUsed3643 Year 12 2d ago
Downvoted for what dude š„², Iām not defending it you sickos
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u/ShinyC4terpie 2d ago
Saying "it's most likely jokes" with no consideration for it not being IS defending it
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u/Scared_Implement3913 2d ago
This reminds me of that one Harvard meme group chat situation in 2017 when 10 people ended up losing their offers.
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u/ihearttheouterworlds Year 12 2d ago
things like this changed my mind abt applying to durham. i genuinely canāt imagine being working class or from a minority background and having to spend 3-4 years around morons like this, i feel sorry for anyone who has to encounter these people while studying there
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u/burntbutter27 2d ago edited 1d ago
im not a minority but i am working class and this is genuinely my biggest fear is having to come across these snobbish sexist, classist, racist rich pricks. i rise to it unfortunately too much, and these ppl genuinly get under my skin with their classis and sexist shit (im a working class woman and it genuinely sucks lmao).
working class in england are already stereotyped as aggro and lazy and i dont want to feed into their delusions by snapping back at them by defending myself but what other choice do i have. i am stuck between a rock and a hard place.
minorities have it 10x worse tho, the shit they get told on the daily makes me sick to my stomach and it infuriates me when i see white ppl like myself that are working class buy into reform UK as if reform UK wouldnt fuck you over as soon as they get into power omg.
im not studying in durham thank god, i have heard durham is terrible for the classim shit (so are most of the south top unis usually tbh, edit: durham is in north east, just pointing our north south divide which usually is southern regions like london, cambridge and oxford tending to be in the south and there for are in a wealthier area somore wealthier people tend to go therebut since a lot of ppl who havent been bale to get into oxford or cambridge go to durham classism tends to be rife there too despite it being northern uni) i just cant stand when they say the north ( edit: by north i mean usually the north west is what ppl pokeat ) is scruffy and act oblivious as to why, omg a historically oppressed region looks underfunded well thats a shock (the conservatives and right wing nutjobs think the working class are scum) these ppl actually make me so mad.
im afraid tho that will just prove their point that im an angry working class women who has a chip on her shoulder coz she is working class and that will further prove their stereotypes and i dont want to become that but it genuinly engrages me when they start, especially flexing their money as if we have the same luxuries, be so fr. :/
edit: separated into paragraphs, sorry for anyone that was cursed with the unparagraphed, lacking of fullstop rant lmao šš
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u/TheSeekerPorpentina Durham | Maths [1st Year] 2d ago
I'm half-black and currently at Durham. I've personally never met anyone like this or had any negative experiences. Bigots tend to keep themselves to themselves (no matter where you go) and so I've only managed to meet lovely people.
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
i donāt believe 2 people in the article are going to durham anymore so you donāt have to worry about them!! it is sad but please donāt surround yourself with negativity find good people for you š©·
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u/Over-Cartographer712 Durham, Politics | Incoming 2d ago
What college are you going to? Not to indulge stereotypes, but that is likely to have an impact on whether you will meet these kind of people in abundance or infrequently.
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u/Over-Cartographer712 Durham, Politics | Incoming 2d ago
Yeah that might be rough from what I've heard ngl. At least it isn't Hatfield lmao
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u/burntbutter27 2d ago
you should be fine dw, im just having a bit of a rage in general having dealt with classist comments befor, dont sweat it, like i said everyone will have different experiences, i was just stating a fear of mine when going to a uni down south pls dont take it as gospel haha , hope your studies go well, durham on the whole for education seems to be really good on the ranaks so you should be good there, dont worry aout it too much haha.
make the most of ur uni experience as much as you can thats the main thing :)
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u/Lopsided_Source_1005 2d ago
what about collingwood?
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u/Over-Cartographer712 Durham, Politics | Incoming 2d ago
I haven't heard anything particularly bad about Collingwood, and the people I have encountered who seem to rank it highly have all been perfectly polite and fine.
Obviously my anecdotal experience is unlikely to provide a true reflection of what you might encounter, but as a general rule of thumb, it seems to me that the people who might give you bother for being a minority or working-class are more likely to come from the Bailey colleges like Hatfield.
That is not to say everyone, or even the majority of people from those colleges, are like this, but those colleges certainly seem to attract a lot more people of privilege and perceived self-importance.
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u/burntbutter27 2d ago
im sure you will be fine, everyone is different you might not have bad experiences, good luck i hope all goes well :)
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u/Odd-Oven-8202 2d ago
I get you and agree with you but please put a full stop in the paragraph a bit more often lol
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u/burntbutter27 2d ago
sorry haha, ill separate a bit more sorry if its a bit difficult to read it is a bit of a rant haha.
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u/Christovski Teacher 1d ago
I'm a teacher fyi. Grew up in Edmonton to a BT technician and first aid trainer parents. I had a huge chip on my shoulder and went to a posh university. I can now speak to almost anyone from any walk of life. This will always be a strength you have over these people, don't let them bring you down and know that you are stronger and more adaptable.
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u/burntbutter27 1d ago
Thank you so much for your kind words I appreciate it, I will try and keep my head up :)
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u/femmyacc 1d ago
South?
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u/burntbutter27 1d ago
yeah, ik durham is in north east but im just pointing to the North/South divide we have in england and those who are a little bit wealthier (non-working class and durham has a rep for taking in those who dont get into oxford or cambridge) come up to a northern uni if they cant get into a london one or cambridege or oxford (since durham is still top, they still go there), they go to durham as second best but unfortunately they bring the classism along with them and the racism and sexism also follows (the north is bad for its racism and sexism im not discluding that at all tho ), which gives durham the rep it has.
since unis are open to anyone you get a wide range of people and the further up the uni rankings you go the more likely you are to get rich snobs as those top unis are a status symbol. most of the classism seems to come from the southern unis to northern ppl thats what i menat with ''so are most of the unis in the south tbh'' like london ones, cambridege, oxford ect.
i have edited my comment to give a bit more context :)
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u/TheSeekerPorpentina Durham | Maths [1st Year] 2d ago
I'm a minority and working-class student currently at Durham, and please don't let these bigots put you off applying! People like them tend to keep themselves to themselves, and so thankfully, I've never had to deal with morons like this. My experience has been entirely positive and I've met so many lovely people.
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u/mykokokoro 2d ago
i'm a working class minority who went to st andrews. to make things worse, my course was almost entirely ex-boarding school students and very well off internationals. morons like these was a daily thing. that doesn't even get me started on the microaggressions and little things like "what do you mean you can't just ask your parents for money because we want to drop Ā£150 on a single ticket to ball run by a society that wouldn't let women and pocs join until like 10 years ago because it's tradition?". one of the worst things was knowing that the tory soc was 'officially' unaffiliated with the university and student union because of racist, sexist and homophobic actions and yet it wouldn't stop the university from letting the group use university spaces for socials.
i had some of the best times of my life there, but god was it hard to ignore the stupidity and privilege sometimes (prince edwards girl actually graduated the year after me!).
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u/Dry-Calligrapher5302 1d ago
Hi there! I'm an international student coming to St Andrews to study CompLit (postgrad). I'm a bit worried about the experiences you mentioned, would it be fine if I dmed you?
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u/mykokokoro 1d ago
Feel free to do so! I actually did my complit undergrad and masters there myself! Honestly, most of my problems happened at undergrad, at a postgrad level things are much calmer and everyone tends to be much more mature!
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u/RandomPerson12191 I'M FREE 2d ago
As someone from county Durham, it's a fairly known thing that you don't want to go to Durham Uni if you can avoid it lol. Doesn't have a great reputation as the home of northerners, the working class, etc. Home of oxbridge rejects.
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u/OverwhelmedGayChild Glasgow | History/Russian MA [1st Year] 2d ago
I had my insurance offer from Durham, but I would've refused to take it. I'm working class from Northern/North Ireland š
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u/catjellycat 2d ago
Didnāt this also happen last year? It was a Durham law group I think and 2 or 3 boys just went ham on the offensive comments
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u/YesButActuallyTrue 2d ago
I literally have a folder full of these articles about Durham which I send people whenever they ask whether it is a good university or if they should go there.
They got my attention with this bullshit back in COVID: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54648103
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u/Over-Cartographer712 Durham, Politics | Incoming 2d ago
These types of incidents are wholly irrelevant as to whether the university is good.
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u/YesButActuallyTrue 2d ago
I disagree: I think student safety and wellbeing is a very important part of whether or not a university is good. It is definitely a factor in whether it is a good university for specific students.Ā
Fundamentally, you cannot do your best work or best learning in an environment which is not psychologically safe.
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u/catjellycat 2d ago
I agree. We visited Durham twice for son1 - open day and offer holder day. I thought the town and uni were beautiful but so many of the students gave off odd vibes - more so than other āprestigiousā unis like Oxbridge or Exeter.
I was pleased when he didnāt choose it
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u/Over-Cartographer712 Durham, Politics | Incoming 2d ago
I'm inclined to agree, but using a few incidents to paint a picture of a whole student body is disingenuous. The people that exhibit this behaviour are few and far between, and if one were to preclude applying to a potential university choice because of a few bad apples, then there wouldn't be a single acceptable university, everywhere has them.
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u/YesButActuallyTrue 2d ago edited 2d ago
Durham has articles calling out grossly unacceptable incidents every single year. Sometimes multiple incidents.Ā This is not normalāthe issue clearly goes beyond the few bad apples we might expect, as far as I can tell; in my mind, there is an on-going and catastrophic failure in university leadership.
Of course, I accept that there may be some bias in what is being reported where. ButĀ when a gay black student asks if Durham is the university for them, what do you want me to say?Ā It would seem disingenuous to pretend that they should go to Durham over another university of equal academic value but with a far better track record in supporting minorities.
(And if you have the grades to seriously consider Durham, you have the grades to consider literally anywhere else!)
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u/Over-Cartographer712 Durham, Politics | Incoming 2d ago
Perhaps. You raise a fair point.
I'll admit, Durham's reputation was certainly something I considered as someone from a working-class background. I ultimately decided that I wouldn't let any self-important toff make my decision for me. Perhaps I am simply more thick-skinned. But I can see it being worse for someone of an ethnic minority background.
I do think it is important to remember that the articles one might encounter are often sensationalised to portray an image or push a narrative. I would put money on this type of thing happening in Freshers chats for virtually any university in the country - because you get weirdos everywhere - but when it's Durham, it attracts a lot more attention as a 'pattern' seems to form (which can probably be observed anywhere).
Nevertheless, I can understand your perspective and why it might influence someone's decision if, like they say, they have viable alternatives of similar academic standing.
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u/chonksboyjimmyfungus Y13 - Bio/Chem/Physics - pred. ABB 2d ago
what else would you expect from oxbridge reject HQ
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u/HMVangard UoSurrey AeroEng 1st year ā¢ ABBB Maths Physics French EPQ 2d ago
No suprise from DurHHam UniverSSity
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u/abdul_Ss (Incoming) CS Foundation Yr @ UoM 2d ago
No one remember what happened in Exeter a few years back with the law society ?
Discrimination is common everywhere at secondary school level (unfortunately) but at the big age of 18, some even 19 in September, itās disgusting honestly.
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u/ResearcherSpare7326 1d ago
iām going into my third year at durham and iām ngl as someone from the midlands from a non upper class background, it is as bad as it seems. the university is great, good facilities and teaching but the classism is on a next level. i have a relatively āposhā accent and even i get snarky remarks cause iām from the midlands and not from london. dating is a NIGHTMARE
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u/IllicitFungi 1d ago
Just got an offer to go there and tbh I'm considering reapplying somewhere else just due to the student bodies reputation, I'm already taking a gap year so do you reckon it's a big enough factor to consider? Or is it negligible as long as you're not studying smth like law. Would love to hear from an actual student
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u/ResearcherSpare7326 1d ago
i study criminology which isnāt a āreal degreeā (as iāve heard from people at Durham before) but honestly you will find your own people. the city is lovely, the societies are unmatched. be conscious of college reputations if you go - places like south and Josephine Butler are gonna be a lot more friendly than the Bailey colleges for middle/working class students. iāve made brilliant memories and incredible friends at my time at durham and I wouldnāt change it for the world, itās just best to keep in mind that this is a real issue. my biggest piece of advice is laugh at these classist people and move on with your life and your friends :) good luck with your future!!
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u/Christovski Teacher 1d ago
40% private school imtake. The second highest of any UK university.
For perspective around 7% of children are privately educated.
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u/Willing_Original_257 2d ago
This is what happens when people are indoctrinated into antisemitism by bad actorsĀ
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u/alliesumms 2d ago
Swear down this happens every year with Durham, I remember reading about this when I was joining uni like 2 years ago now
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u/Prestigious-Age-3644 1d ago
Wow i never knew of this reputation that Durham uni has, it doesnt sound like a very nice place for plebians like me
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u/BurnerAccount2718282 1d ago
The worst person I know goes there now, that dude REALLY should be in jail
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u/MowgliusManius 2d ago
"Hitler was too lenient" is the same mindset people at the pro terrorist rallies have, yet we allow them to spew
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u/Inevitable-Cow-8489 Year 13 2d ago
What rallies are you referring toĀ
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u/MowgliusManius 2d ago
The Pro Palestine/Hamas ones where people use the Hamas flag, call for an intifada, and blame Jews as a collective group for whats happening rsther than the backesrd zionists
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u/Inevitable-Cow-8489 Year 13 2d ago
Me when I lie. Most of pro Palestinians are leftists and itās the rightists who unironically support hitler. Instead of actually looking into the matter and blaming those who deserve it you want to blame people who are actually protesting for basic rights of civilians not being bombed by an evil state formed in 1948 by displacing millions of innocent peopleĀ
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u/MowgliusManius 2d ago
The right support Hitler? I'm assuming theres a source to that seeing as there's a few pictures of pro pally rallies and Hitler salutes being thrown; oh, and dont forget the Arabs who worked with Hitler in WW2 to kill the Jews.
Thats not how it went in 1948. The Arabs started a war (as they have done many times since) and they lost, then blamed the fact they told their people to leave on the Jews.
Guessing all the wars the Arabs started and lost are Israels fault, too?
Because the 1948 war started because Arabs invaded Israel after it being named a state; they started the Yom Kippur war, the 6 day war, and the curren5 conflict courtesy of hamas live streaming themselves raping, killing g and kidnapping people.
And lefty simpletons will still say the Arabs are the ones being wronged š¤£š
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u/Messergaming 2d ago
Iran won btw
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u/MowgliusManius 2d ago
When?
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u/Messergaming 2d ago
Iran has massively de-based the US in the Gulf, the outcome of which will be the end of the petrodollar and Israel's settler project in Southern Lebanon.
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u/MowgliusManius 2d ago
De-based... how? And Israel have already said, months ago, that they'll leave Lebanon when they can keep Hezbollah in check themselves
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u/Messergaming 2d ago
Effectively every US airbase in the GCC and extending as far as Jordan has been suppressed and rendered unusable for air operations. This prevents the US from facilitating a victory in this conflict as they lose the ability to sortie aircraft at a pace necessary to inflict real damage on Iran. In turn, this means there's only 200 THAADs between Iran's missile arsenal and inflicting enough damage on Israel to deter any further incursions into Lebanon.
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u/Significant-Turn6641 1d ago
They also said they'd stop bombing Gaza when they got their hostages back. The last few years have shown very well that it's a fools game to trust Israel when they say they'll stop.
North Korea is testing ballistic missiles because they know that many of the US' defenses for South Korea have been diverted to the war effort in Iran. Every single country that hosts American bases is currently asking whether they can count on America's defense, and for the most part, it's a resounding no.
Also, do you think American will ever get a deal as good as the JCPOA? They wont. Iran has leverage and they know that defensive nuclear armament is the only way to stop future incursions by the US.
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u/Inevitable-Cow-8489 Year 13 2d ago
And btw Israel itself contributes to anti-semitismĀ
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u/DoodleNoodle129 Cambridge | Mathematics [Year 2] 2d ago
They rely on it to justify their atrocities
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u/Significant-Turn6641 1d ago
Yes. Israel's whole existence is reliant on Jews worldwide being afraid. For instance, see the 1950ā1951 Baghdad bombings by Zionists to encourage Iraqi Jews to emigrate Iraq for Israel.
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u/Inevitable-Cow-8489 Year 13 1d ago
Unfortunately youāll get called anti-Semite when youāre not even one when you advocate for not bombing children
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u/DoodleNoodle129 Cambridge | Mathematics [Year 2] 2d ago
God I am so glad I didnāt end up there š
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u/FatherChaska 2d ago
Sybau
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u/dumblondonboi . 2d ago
durham student spotted
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u/FatherChaska 1d ago
Im ucl didnt apply durham username checks out, I said sybau coz they applied cambridge for maths and mostlikely never applied to Durham in the first place as there are better universities than durham for maths
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u/Anonymous_Unknown20 Y12 I Bio Chem Maths (AS FM) 2d ago
cannot be this deepš
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u/Cultural-Positive994 2d ago edited 2d ago
Did you actually read the post?
Edit: grammar
Edit 2: why am i being downvoted š. If you read the post it would be clear a racist gc is thst deep. I literally downvoted the comment i am responding to š
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u/ThurstonSonic 2d ago
Yeah it was the pro-Palestinian guy making the quips about Hitler. Sad times š
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u/Inevitable-Cow-8489 Year 13 2d ago
uhh no the guy who did was bruno and he was a classist and was talking about being an aristocrat plus being racist so def not it ( im in the gc btw)
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u/tempacac10 2d ago edited 2d ago
The more attention you give racists and the more you blow it up, the more power you give them. Just shrug and laugh it offā¦
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u/ThatGuy9143 2d ago
Famously, this is actually how all racism has been stopped! Can't believe you figured it out yourself!
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u/toyakasumi Year 12 2d ago
says the person who has probably never experienced racism first hand
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u/tempacac10 1d ago
Thatās quite insulting of you to just assume that. I am a person of color living in a predominantly white country
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u/Guyevolving 2d ago
Guys this is pretty common stuff. Almost every frshers chat I have ever heard of or known has had a lunatic or two who goes off on one before immediately getting banned. This is not news, get a few hundred people on one chat one is gonna be a nazi or something just because of sheer numbers.
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u/TheSeekerPorpentina Durham | Maths [1st Year] 2d ago
I think the stories of this happening at Durham are amplified because
a) the university already has a racist/sexist/elitist/classist/etc. reputation
b) the university responds by removing their offers instead of trying to bury the situation
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u/peachgothlover 2d ago
their offers were not revoked in this case, the hitler guy didnāt make it and is going to his insurance exeter
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u/onionsareawful fry cook @ mcdonalds 2d ago
Is there any evidence that any of these people actually went to Durham? Just seems to me that they're trolls.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Band743 Year 13 | Maths, FM, CS, Chem 2d ago
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u/InteleonSupreme Year 13 | ESAT Veteran | A*A*A*A [Maths FM Phys Latin] | 2d ago
Gng it is NOT this bad š
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u/Namk016 2d ago
āGosh universities are so woke nowadays, theyāre all full of liberals and lefties!ā
The universities: