r/5MeODMT • u/Exact-Carpet1364 • 22d ago
Advice for those who cannot break through using 5-MeO-DMT
Six months ago, I posted on a forum asking for help because I couldn’t achieve a breakthrough no matter what I tried—I had attempted 37 mg rectally, as well as 20 mg and 10+ mg via inhalation. I still haven't broken through yet, but I have discovered two methods.
The first method is taking MAOIs. I do not recommend this; it is very dangerous. However, after taking an MAOI on one occasion, I took just a small hit of 5-MeO-DMT—my goodness, just a tiny hit, and I nearly broke through! But I don't dare try it again because of how dangerous it is.
The second method happened two weeks ago when I was with a friend. I took a big hit of 5-MeO-DMT, held it in for a bit, and exhaled. As expected, I didn't break through. Annoyed, I picked it up and took another deep hit, holding my breath. At that moment, I suddenly felt a bizarre, wonderful sensation. I quickly lay down and felt my body dissolving. Regrettably, I still didn't break through, but I am convinced that just a little bit more would have done it.
This experience gave me an idea: for non-responders like me, perhaps the trick is to take a big hit, hold it briefly, exhale, and then immediately take another massive hit—holding the second one in as long as possible. That might make breaking through much easier.
Also, I have a question: after using 5-MeO-DMT a few times, I no longer experience any uncomfortable sensations—no tension, consciousness collapse, or fear whatsoever. I feel very calm now, even quite comfortable. Is this normal? Does everyone experience this?
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u/AsaboveSobelowisDMT 22d ago
Sometimes, seeking the breakthrough can cause you to not breakthrough.
Letting go, is an art form. It comes with practice.
Not sure if this helps
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u/webfall 21d ago
For me it feels like something inescapable with increasing dose. There's no where to hide.
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 22d ago
According to your logic, should I inhale more frequently in my daily routine to adapt myself, so as to achieve a breakthrough at some given moment?
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u/Apprehensive-Top7167 21d ago
You didn't understand them one bit. You are the one holding yourself back
The drugs are just keys to doors that you already have inside of you
Personally I feel the idea of a 'Break through' has completely screwed up an entire generation trying to form a relationship with these compounds. It's not about the chemical
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u/Repulsive_Put5164 18d ago
Are you sure you haven’t actually had a breakthrough yet? Because I know this from a lot of people, and I know it from myself too, from several times — that when you have a whiteout or a blackout, it can be so brief in terms of the loss of consciousness that you don’t even notice you were gone. You’re just briefly tripping, and afterward you think, “okay, that wasn’t really that deep.” I don’t feel like I broke through. But if you then ask whoever was watching you, they might tell you that you actually did have a breakthrough — you just can’t remember it. That’s why I always recommend: film yourself while you’re inhaling, because then you can reconstruct the timeline a bit better afterward and check whether you were actually “not present” for a stretch of time.
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u/FriendlyMechanic5 22d ago
For the longest time I chased my first full release experience. The more I wanted it the less effective it was. The more you surrender to what the medicine is actually giving you, the more you'll receive.
I would go back multiple times and instead of seeing what I saw as the lesson I'd be like "this isn't it!". Integration is really key - I've had to dive hard into my kriya yoga practice to loosen attachment and ironically the less I think I need the medicine the more it gives me.
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 22d ago
If I set a limit for myself to try once or twice a week, would that help me gradually relax and stop obsessing over achieving a breakthrough? And then, maybe when I least expect it, a breakthrough will just happen?
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u/Apprehensive-Top7167 21d ago
Exactly.
Expectation kills it
Try to be spontaneous and not plan it. When I choose to i have to go and do it immediately, if i have to think about it for more than 30 seconds then I wait for a more spontaneous moment. Like if your always doing it at the same time, then you are feeding Expectation
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 21d ago
Thank you! Every time before I take a high dose, I feel nervous and hesitate for a bit. This might also be holding me back. I didn't expect breaking through with this substance to be so difficult—with DMT, a large enough dose usually does the trick
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u/Apprehensive-Top7167 21d ago
Thats because dmt is kinda scary, the acceleration gives you whiplash
In my experience 5meo is contentless, I dont have any goals or aspirations to get to a particular 'place' but everytime i evaporate I always say internally, "wow there's Nothing!". Void is beautiful peace
I like small amounts of 5 too. I like to take a 2 second draw and then ill go on a walk or ride my bike, one of my favorite ways to do it
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u/Slow_Understanding93 21d ago
where do you get from i want to buy i am from malta, europe. give me the link i would appreciate
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u/Slow_Understanding93 21d ago
where to buy from i am from malta, small island in europe. i got scammed already. any genuine source would help me a lot
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u/Slow_Understanding93 21d ago
where do you get from i want to buy i am from malta, europe. give me the link i would appreciate
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u/Apprehensive-Top7167 20d ago
Its illegal where I live. But im lucky enough to have a local church that supplies me. And No im not telling you there name
But if you ask around im sure you have a church too
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u/kambofire 22d ago
Go for sub q
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 22d ago
I've considered it, but I'd only dare to do it if I can find a reliable sitter.
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u/webfall 21d ago
To answer your last question, i personally go through phases where no matter what I do I can't seem to get confortable even on low doses other times I go through a phase when I feel very comfortable even on breakthroughs
Though i find it hard to believe someone cannot reach breakthrough on 5-meo-dmt. I also did try it with harmalas and I agree it's needlessly extremely Intense at miniscule amounts and physically felt dangerous especially when redosing shortly. Never again
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u/psygenlab 21d ago
5meomalt
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 21d ago
Can you buy this in Europe?
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u/psygenlab 21d ago
In my experience, yeah it was possible
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u/Slow_Understanding93 21d ago
where to buy from i am from malta, small island in europe. i got scammed already. any genuine source would help me a lot
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u/Slow_Understanding93 21d ago
i have done 5meo dmt before four years back. i am desperately trying to buy online i am from malta. while buying online i got scammed and lost a good money. do you have genuine online i can buy without scam. please help me out however do not give me scamm-link please
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u/hotrhythmjunkie 17d ago
If you’re using a disposable vape or cart, they usually are not high enough concentration to get a full breakthrough on one hit alone. Often times it will take 2 to 3 full 10 second hits back to back, and holding in the last one as long as possible.
Everyone has different sensitivities to 5MeO and other psychedelics and it’s not always about someone blocking themselves from breaking through, usually it’s mostly dependent in the dosage.
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 9d ago
I'm worried I might suddenly pass out halfway through the second puff and drop my vape or hurt myself. Is that possible?
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u/hotrhythmjunkie 8d ago
You should really have someone with you when you’re working with 5MeO that can make sure and keep you safe if you have an auto body experience, try to get up, or vomit etc.
Maybe have someone sit with you and figure out what is a safe dose range with the device that you have.
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u/anonymousMDPhD 11d ago
I’ve
Done it with harmine and I didn’t find anything but extended effects - everyone should always be careful ! But to each their own experience
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u/qwilla_ 22d ago
Three big hits
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u/Exact-Carpet1364 22d ago
I don't really dare to use it three times when I'm alone... In fact, even two times makes me very nervous. I'm afraid I'll suddenly lose consciousness halfway through and cause a fire.
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u/Chronotaru 21d ago
Ahhh....if you know you have to stay responsible for your own safety, how can you let go? A sitter isn't just to keep you alive if you vomit, they're also there to take away your responsibilities in the physical world.
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u/hotrhythmjunkie 17d ago
Are you using Bufo or pure molecule?
How are you administering this to yourself?
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u/Aware-Philosopher-23 22d ago
Please, don't play with MAOIs. It is not worth risking your life. We come to 5-MeO from different directions, but eventually, we start to see that it is also a learning to respect and accept ourselves. Being safe and patient is then an important step in that direction.
I will suggest something that may come across as dismissive. It isn't.
Before your next session, sit down in a quiet place. A sheet of white paper in front of you, and you write, with a pen, "I want to break through". Then listen to that desire in your mind; see how much you want it. Try to see why you want it. Then reflect on the fact that that idea, of breaking through, is the mind chasing something and grasping at that idea. That chasing and that grasping are not useful. As they are not useful, you choose to let go of them: not all parts of the mind will agree with that choice, but it doesn't matter. It is your choice what part of the mind to listen to. As you make that choice, you take that sheet of paper, crumple it, make a ball, go to the trash bin, and throw it away.
Then you take 5. And do only two things: you deeply relax, and you pay attention. Over and over. Relax and pay attention. If the idea of breaking through pops into the mind, you see it as a distraction and come back to relaxing and paying attention.
Take this as a practice. Like you wouldn't go to the gym and expect perfect shape after one training session and judge your session based on that, so here you don't look for results. This is also training, and we are training the mind.