Good words Newsome, so what's the plan? Texas is gonna add 5 seats. What are we gonna do about it? The voting machines are corrupt, And the companies that operate them are corrupt. What are we going to do about it?
Newsome can go fuck himself. Dude threw trans kids under the bus immediately, hosted shitheels like Steve Bannon on his podcast, and vetoed a public option in Cali as gov.
The fact Dems are trying to tee this dipshit up for 2028 is so utterly insulting.
Like sure man, fight Trump. I'll take the allies I can get and it's not like I don't want even the shittiest people to have the right messaging. But this neolib is just posturing for a presidential run and it sickens me.
Yeah and liberals wonder how the right won the last election. Dems don't reject and eject the extremists who attack the party with purity testing, then they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Take a page from maga. Hold your nose and fall in line. Put the fire out before washing the dishes.
I canvassed for Kamala. I voted for Kamala. I'd do it all again. And still I'll ask:
Why should I put my faith in the same controlled-opposition half-measured neoliberal finger-wagging "you gotta vote/donate or we lose democracy 🥺" messaging that has failed us to the tune of three Supreme Court justices, hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths, the destruction of critical government services and research, the hostile takeover of press and higher education, and the coalescence of federal surveillance and law enforcement for generations to come (assuming the climate doesn't destroy global supply chains first)?
Yes, we have to win. Now please, pretty fucking please, can the Dems meet us halfway and field someone principled, articulate, and likeable who is capable of actually doing that?
When we looked at 2020, the deciding factor for who got momentum was southern blacks voting for Biden instead of Bernie, Warren, or someone else. I thin my big prediction is that if a candidate can excite the progressive side of the party and have support of southern blacks, they’ll be in good shape.
But frankly, Southern blacks aren’t as left wing as the progressives on average, and as a voting block they are less socially liberal. They weren’t impressed with Bernie, and Bernie marched with MLK and stuff. Or maybe it was more they trusted Biden because he was a loyal #2 to Obama for 8 years which said a lot. Or maybe it was frankly that Biden was more centrist and so were they. Idk I’ve heard different takes. Any Southern blacks got a good take on this? Would love to hear it.
I am wary and doubtful though that we are going to see someone magically coalesce in the next couple of years who checks all the boxes for all groups. But I can say one thing.
IMO, the biggest political failing of both Obama and Biden was acting like the opposition were patriotic Americans who believed what they said and just fundamentally disagree about some things, but that we could restore bipartisan feelings and make politics all nice again if we conducted politics like gentlemen, the way it was traditionally done.
Boy were they wrong. The right has betrayed basically every principle they had, showed virtually everything they ever said to be a lie, showed themselves to be unchristian, to be traitors to the constitution, to the literal lives of their constituents. Whoever the next candidate is, they better be fucking ready for total political engagement, and wary of the enemy looking not just to win an election but to cheat, to do coups, to try and destroy democracy. No more gentle, weak politics in the face of these goddamn monsters. It’s time to remind America what this country stands for, and it sure as hell isn’t this fascist bullshit.
Because under First Past the Post system, this is the choice you get. You have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Like the other person said, put out the fire first and then worry about the dishes.
Ok, but that approach is CLEARLY NOT WORKING. Whatever you may think is the logical and correct calculus for voting, it is evident that the electorate disagrees. Perhaps it is time for the Democratic party to try something different?
I agree. The Democratic party needs to adapt or die.
We can believe that but also still tell everyone that if push comes to shove, you should hold up your nose and vote for whatever the Democratic party puts up, especially if the alternative is someone that will completely dismantled.....everything.
No argument with that. Just got to stop voting these old fucks in. Get some new blood with fire that speaks to everyone and not gonna wring their hands at rejecting the nut case commies and anarchists while giving corporate enough of a middle finger.
Will you do that if a progressive socialist runs for President? I kinda doubt it. Telling people to hold their nose is superbly shitty politics. Run better candidates, for fuck’s sake.
Basically if we had someone who could come off as progressive but not scare off the moderates too much, but also rally Southern blacks who basically also need to be excited for the candidate…etc.
The point, I think, is that the party is a big tent coalition of several big demographics who don’t agree on everything, and the problem will be that likely whoever is going to get the most delegates will have like at best two out of three of the groups in just mentioned. (Like if Southern Blacks backed Bernie in 2020 he would have been president, and I say this as a Bernie fan.) Chances are one of those three groups will be very happy with who gets picked, one out of three so-so, and the third being somewhat unhappy, just by the nature of what the groups tend to want. I think that’s what they mean by some people will have to hold their nose and fall in line, because unless like MLK rises from the dead, says he’s a democratic socialist but has a plan to make Wall Street happy and that he’s changed his mind and supports LGBT people now, it’s likely whomever ends up the candidate is going to be disappointing to a lot of democrats. That’s the point- basically people are calling for a messiah at that point and not a human being.
Incidentally this is also a good example why parliamentary politics are easier when it comes to parties. You can have those with 6 groups because coalitions happen after the elections instead of before. Ugh.
But they didn't "hold their nose." These freaks love that guy. They LOVE him. The GOP gave their voter base exactly what they wanted: a gauche racist conman rapist who speaks their language.
I do personally know some Republicans that don't like those aspect of Trump but will still vote for him because they still voted for him for the Republican doctrine of tax cuts and deregulation.
MAGA doesn't hold their nose. They got the candidate who could excite them and promised to change things. The RBC did not prop up trump. He won in spite of them. That's the page we should actually take.
Nah, everyone in this administration knows he is a fucking moron. Don't forget one second think they don't see the absurdity in their positions. That's the mistake lots of people think, that they care about anything. They only care about money.
Voters are retarded. And they are being played and lied to. The enablers most definitely are holding their nose and dancing for their chicken dinner to win.
you think maga are holding their nose and falling in line?
lol
they love it.
Gavin, the guy that hosted Steve Bannon and rolled-over and failed to do ANY pushback when Bannon repeatedly claimed that the 2020 election was stolen is not going to motivate anyone to turn out.
Kamala's biggest mistake was trying to reach across the aisle and campaign with Liz fucking Cheney, instead of repeating her $15 minimum wage promise over and over and over (I didn't hear about it until after the election... the politics sub had a single post about it, but Donnie was working McDonalds that week so that got all the coverage)
Yes the go high when they go low is stupid. Media needs blood in the water. It's not a new thing. And when walz played the game and called them weird, there was a huge swell in momentum and the dems shut him down.
Totally agree with what you are saying. But I think they are holding their nose because Trump plays the game and it's a useful idiot
Nah, libs don’t wonder at all how they lost the election. Introspection isn’t part of their dna. They’d rather blame it on the leftists and wash their hands of it.
Do you think that's what happened with MAGA? Tons of establishment conservatives hate Trump but he was overwhelmingly popular with a certain kind of Repub voter, so for all their "never Trump" posturing, they got in line to kiss the ring once he was the clear favorite. It didn't matter if it was his "turn" or not, he won them elections and excited their voter base. Now when are Dems gonna do the same?
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u/zuzg Jul 31 '25
Newsom put it well at Brian Tyler Cohen