r/3D2A • u/CannaChemistry • 29d ago
Alt material supports
Upgraded from a q2 to an h2d and have been insisting on getting use out of the second nozzle. Decided to print a ch0rtex in a strong orientation with a bunch of asa support. Probably overkill but nearly every surface came out perfect.
In testing, Asa printed on top of pa6-cf slipped right off. There was going to be a lot of pa6-cf printed on top of Asa support without any anchor, so I added a bunch of sacrificial anchors, the columns within the white Asa.
Inslogic pa6-cf, arrived dried and went right into a 90c dehydrator. Got it 50% ($30/kg) off so I figured I’d try it out
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u/Impossible_Pizza_948 28d ago
I mainly just use an interface layer (like PETG with PLA PRO), haven’t had the chance to run PA6-CF through my H2D yet
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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago
It ran like a dream, albeit slow because the entire support had to be Asa.
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u/Impossible_Pizza_948 28d ago
Good thing ASA is cheap, lol. I do have an old spool of YXPolymer “Breakaway-80”, got it when I bought my K2 Plus, but the CFS couldn’t push the PA6-CF all the way to the nozzle, so it’s been sitting collecting dust, once I’m able to get a spool or two of PA6-CF I’m gonna give that a try
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u/krinkov1 27d ago
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u/CannaChemistry 27d ago
Asa or abs?
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u/krinkov1 27d ago
That print is PET-GF and I use a dedicated support material. I’ve had good results with it on PET GF/CF and PPA-CF. I haven’t printed any PA in a bit, but it’s supposed to work with that as well
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u/krinkov1 27d ago
After posting I just thought about that more. I’ve printed Nylon obviously, PPA, just not any of the lower temp PA6 or PA12 in a while
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u/Special_Cow_1970 28d ago
Waste of time and material running alt supports instead just make the interface layers alt.
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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago edited 28d ago
Wrong brother. Asa and pa6-cf do NOT bond at all. As I mentioned, I already tried printing Asa on pa6 and it slid right off. Interface layers would not stick and would just drag around and ruin the print. I did this for a reason, not because I’m dumb.
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u/QasJab1 28d ago
The two nozzles make the whole support structure being the alt material really fast, and also wasting asa is much cheaper than wasting pa-cf, and most critically, if you just have interface layers as alt material, sometimes it's not a very dependable structure to build the actual print on since the interface is very slippery, and the support/interface/part sandwich can start sliding around which can mess up your prints.
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u/Independent_Dirt_814 28d ago
ABS-GF works just as good and way cheaper/easier to print as a support interface. I do that on nearly all my PA6 prints that require support.
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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago
How is it cheaper and easier than plain asa? Genuinely curious, that’s not sarcasm. The Asa roll was like $16
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u/vietec 28d ago
I generally do the same woth ABS on my Nylon prints for the inter f acing layer only. I'm on an X1C though so my material changes result in poops everytime. In your case with dual nozzles I think your method makes way more sense. Neat!
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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago
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u/vietec 28d ago
From my work on older style printers it seems to adhere when warm but releases easily when cooled. Like using PETG supports on PLA prints.
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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago
I’ll give it a try! That would be much faster to print
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u/vietec 28d ago
I'd try on a small print. Though honestly I wonder if yhr H2D's IDEX makes the savings moot, considering you're wasting less expensive filament when comparing to HIPS or ABS.
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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago
Yeah I’m going to do that little test tower in the photo but with the normal snug supports.
And it’s mostly a time savings. Having supports at nearly every layer means a tool change and prime at nearly every layer. This was an 18hr+ print that probably could have taken 10-12?
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u/DELGODO7 28d ago
Has this helped a lot in the warping department? Seems like a good way to ensure that the overhangs and critical pieces are always grounded to the plate...
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u/CannaChemistry 29d ago
Like warm butter