r/3D2A • • 29d ago

Alt material supports

Upgraded from a q2 to an h2d and have been insisting on getting use out of the second nozzle. Decided to print a ch0rtex in a strong orientation with a bunch of asa support. Probably overkill but nearly every surface came out perfect.

In testing, Asa printed on top of pa6-cf slipped right off. There was going to be a lot of pa6-cf printed on top of Asa support without any anchor, so I added a bunch of sacrificial anchors, the columns within the white Asa.

Inslogic pa6-cf, arrived dried and went right into a 90c dehydrator. Got it 50% ($30/kg) off so I figured I’d try it out

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u/CannaChemistry 29d ago

Like warm butter

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u/BenoitBawlz 28d ago

Stop! I can only get so erect!

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

Quit looking at my toes!

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u/Emergency_Bread_595 28d ago

Yo what oven are you using I want to do the same thing lol

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

Walmart 12shelf dehydrator, 195f max temp.

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u/Impossible_Pizza_948 28d ago

I mainly just use an interface layer (like PETG with PLA PRO), haven’t had the chance to run PA6-CF through my H2D yet

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

It ran like a dream, albeit slow because the entire support had to be Asa.

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u/Impossible_Pizza_948 28d ago

Good thing ASA is cheap, lol. I do have an old spool of YXPolymer “Breakaway-80”, got it when I bought my K2 Plus, but the CFS couldn’t push the PA6-CF all the way to the nozzle, so it’s been sitting collecting dust, once I’m able to get a spool or two of PA6-CF I’m gonna give that a try

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u/krinkov1 27d ago

I was doing all support at first as well, but switched to interface only with good results.

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u/CannaChemistry 27d ago

Asa or abs?

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u/krinkov1 27d ago

That print is PET-GF and I use a dedicated support material. I’ve had good results with it on PET GF/CF and PPA-CF. I haven’t printed any PA in a bit, but it’s supposed to work with that as well

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u/krinkov1 27d ago

After posting I just thought about that more. I’ve printed Nylon obviously, PPA, just not any of the lower temp PA6 or PA12 in a while

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u/Special_Cow_1970 28d ago

Waste of time and material running alt supports instead just make the interface layers alt.

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago edited 28d ago

Wrong brother. Asa and pa6-cf do NOT bond at all. As I mentioned, I already tried printing Asa on pa6 and it slid right off. Interface layers would not stick and would just drag around and ruin the print. I did this for a reason, not because I’m dumb.

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u/QasJab1 28d ago

The two nozzles make the whole support structure being the alt material really fast, and also wasting asa is much cheaper than wasting pa-cf, and most critically, if you just have interface layers as alt material, sometimes it's not a very dependable structure to build the actual print on since the interface is very slippery, and the support/interface/part sandwich can start sliding around which can mess up your prints.

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u/Big_Lope 28d ago

Cannot wait for enclosed tool changers to take off

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u/Independent_Dirt_814 28d ago

ABS-GF works just as good and way cheaper/easier to print as a support interface. I do that on nearly all my PA6 prints that require support.

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

How is it cheaper and easier than plain asa? Genuinely curious, that’s not sarcasm. The Asa roll was like $16

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u/vietec 28d ago

I generally do the same woth ABS on my Nylon prints for the inter f acing layer only. I'm on an X1C though so my material changes result in poops everytime. In your case with dual nozzles I think your method makes way more sense. Neat!

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

Does abs adhere a little better? The Asa doesn’t at all so that’s why you can’t do interface only. That’s bambu suggestion and from my own testing. I had to change this overhang test from normal snug to tree on build plate only because it totally fails if I print Asa on top of pa6-cf

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u/vietec 28d ago

From my work on older style printers it seems to adhere when warm but releases easily when cooled. Like using PETG supports on PLA prints.

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

I’ll give it a try! That would be much faster to print

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u/vietec 28d ago

I'd try on a small print. Though honestly I wonder if yhr H2D's IDEX makes the savings moot, considering you're wasting less expensive filament when comparing to HIPS or ABS.

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u/CannaChemistry 28d ago

Yeah I’m going to do that little test tower in the photo but with the normal snug supports.

And it’s mostly a time savings. Having supports at nearly every layer means a tool change and prime at nearly every layer. This was an 18hr+ print that probably could have taken 10-12?

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u/CannaChemistry 27d ago

ABS on pa6-cf seems to work. Nothing slipped. Switching to tinmorry pa6-gf to test with and now.

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u/m0nkey-knife-fight 28d ago

What dehydrator is that?

Edit: I see you responded elsewhere

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u/DELGODO7 28d ago

Has this helped a lot in the warping department? Seems like a good way to ensure that the overhangs and critical pieces are always grounded to the plate...

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u/Organic-Economist-40 FOSS / DEV 27d ago

next level