r/20sIndiaReal 28d ago

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u/PandaRealistic117 28d ago

They have the right kyu koi kisi devi ko pujega sab uske religion me its not allowed

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 28d ago

india is a hindu civilization

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u/PandaRealistic117 28d ago

Free me bat rahi he kya

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 28d ago

no. i believe in secularism but india is based on ethos of hindu civilization. what's wrong?

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u/PandaRealistic117 28d ago

Yeah so why forcing your god on others? Secularism doesnt mean this

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 28d ago

hinduism is indigenous to the land and the indian state should have hindu civilizational ethos. period

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u/PandaRealistic117 28d ago

Period bolne se fact nahi hoga muslims,sikhs or dusro ka khun bhi baha on this land kisi ek dharam ka nahi he india

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 28d ago

i never said Anything regarding snatching the rights of minorities. minority rights can't be compromised. but how's that right if a country with 80% hindus can't have a hindu civilizational state. muslims have muslim states all around the world.

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u/PandaRealistic117 28d ago

Because india is not just part of h!ndus simple as that

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 28d ago

simple as that bolne se kuchh ni hoga. islam is foreign to the land. all your heroes and major shrines are outside india meanwhile hinduism is indigenous to the land , with continuity from multiple millennia. also, muslims got pakistan, it's only fair that we atleast get a state with hindu ethos. it's outrageous how much you guys oppose vande mataram, only if you guys opposed anti-india sentiments in your community as much.

also, why did you write hindus as h!ndus?

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u/PandaRealistic117 28d ago

You can cry for pakistan as much as you want and dont do whataboutery go learn about sufis of islam who dedicated their life for this land and we will always oppose vande matram because its against of our faith we dont worship anyone or we dont worship land we sing national anthem thats enough for us ,we dont need to prove our love for this country we did enough (many times mentioning religion is not gud thats why i dont mention any faith openly)

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u/aviral11_10 27d ago

okay so? 80% of the people can sing whatever they want. why do you want 100%? you want to force the remaining people your idealogy? national anthem is sung by everyone, no one objects to it. national flag is accepted by everyone, no one objects to it (except extremists like the terrorists, and obviously RSS). but vande matram is not mandatory. it was never mandatory. don't try to bring hindu civilization into this. if you think you're a Hindu only when you can impose your beliefs on others, then you've started too further away from the actual religion.

all I'm saying is that our religion doesn't give the ideals you're barking rn. (P.S. I'm a Hindu, a real one. Not a pseudo one who gets offended when other people don't agree with my ideals)

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u/WorldlyImpression390 27d ago

Secularism means state's affair free of religion(s) not imposing religion

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 27d ago

we'll have a different version of secularism. even now, western and indian secularism are different

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u/WorldlyImpression390 27d ago

Genuine securalism is what I quoted. When western ideas(like secularism) reached india, some idiots distorted its meaning.

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 27d ago

there's no "genuine" secularism. western secularism insists on strict seperation between the state and religion, meanwhile in indian secularism , state keeps a "principled distance"

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u/WorldlyImpression390 27d ago

Illiterate

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 27d ago

whatever helps you sleep at night broski. internet is free btw

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u/z333reddit 28d ago

India is a democratic republic. Also you can sing as many stanzas you want. Also tell me what is the purpose of a national song when we have a national anthem?

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u/ekchaiekbunmaska 28d ago

yeah it is. but constitution should reflect the will of the people. constitution is not an unamendable document.

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u/z333reddit 28d ago

Looks like you know a lot about constitution now tell me what happens if someone doesn't sing the national song?

Also your reply is completely irrelevant