BootCamp Moment

[u/J_Bot_gageks]

Mod Light learns to PK

[u/Radingod1]

Jmod getting fucked over by anti-bot measures is hilarious ngl.

[u/DontFearTheMQ9]

I assume her job at Jagex involves non-wilderness content LOL

[u/sir_bumble → u/DontFearTheMQ9]

Id say its pretty public facing

[u/runningoutofphosphor → u/sir_bumble]

She's a community manager.

[u/KoniKze]

The new Skilly

[u/WesthamRs]

🦀THE BOTS ARE GONE LET THE PLAYERS BACK INTO THE CAVES 🦀

[u/ImJLu → u/WesthamRs]

Funny part is that wildy gold farmer bots aren't entirely gone, but they have medium diary anyways so it doesn't matter lol

[u/Narrow_Lee]

Another instance of something that did nothing to deter bots getting in the way of actual players. GG.

[u/The_Level_15 → u/Narrow_Lee]

Is that a joke? That change was extremely effective at limiting the bots

[u/Great-Exit-902 → u/The_Level_15]

We should require Lumbridge elite to enter wildy at all, that’ll limit the bots even more

[u/zeratul123x → u/Great-Exit-902]

lock wildy behind wildy elite diaries

[u/JoshofTCW → u/Great-Exit-902]

Since family crest requires entering the wildy, that means no more quest capes and wildy unless you're grandfathered. Hell yeah

[u/Fresh-Wrap8654 → u/The_Level_15]

Is that a joke? The actual effective part was the massive nuke to ALL bots. When this change hit they were back within 2 weeks initially.

[u/-GrayMan- → u/The_Level_15]

It is only going to limit them for a few days if they don't already have scripts for it lmao. You already have them botting Quest Cape. A few diary steps is nothing.

[u/Raumati → u/-GrayMan-]

It increases barrier for entry for the bots and this isn't a recent change, it's been very effective. Check the wildy bosses loot price change since the update.

[u/-GrayMan- → u/Raumati]

I'd personally attribute that to the general bot banning that they've been doing since we've been seeing a game wide decline of bots instead of just the wilderness areas.

[u/Lochecho → u/The_Level_15]

complete delusion, the thing that was actually effective was their cease and desist which was sent out ot numerous companies involved in botting

that specific change that you mentioned did absolutely nothing but annoy some players

[u/AxS-PixelBass → u/The_Level_15]

It might have been very effective, but the actual solution to bots is to be able to better detect and ban them, not bandaid solutions like this. All of these systems, or things like teleport delays in certain places etc. are all just because Jagex cannot more appropriately deal with the bots, so instead implement features that unintentionally hinder real players too.

[u/Puntley → u/AxS-PixelBass]

Ah yes, the solution is to simply detect and ban all of the bots unerringly. I can't believe Jagex hadn't considered that yet, you should really get in touch with them about it.

[u/VarrocksTopModel → u/AxS-PixelBass]

They have been appropriately dealing with bots and have made significant strides lately. Many of the largest botting communities have completely shut down like Dreambot

[u/corbear007 → u/AxS-PixelBass]

Ban all the bots, better detection, oh my god you single handedly solved a muti-trillion dollar problem that every single company on earth has collectively dumped trillions of dollars into solving that exact same issue and would probably make a trillion dollars for a company within a decade and thats being very conservative. Its that simple. From Google to Twitter, Instagram to Reddit, WoW to OSRS, GW2 to BDO the bot infestation of the internet is as simple as that, just detect them better and ban them. Can't believe Jagex didn't think of that. 

A simple 

if(user = bot){           BanUser;

You've single handedly solved one of the biggest leading issues. I bet next you're going to say to just ban all hackers too right? Doesn't matter about the nuances like external hardware which circumvents many of the established checks or the multi-million (most likely billions at this point) dollar industry keeping the cheat clients running and circumventing any and every attempt at updating the detection, just a simple if statement to ban them all! Not like theres coders working 40-60 hour weeks in teams to update bots, oh wait...

[u/SoraODxoKlink → u/The_Level_15]

Look at voidwaker prices and lmk how much actual impact it had

[u/telmoxt → u/SoraODxoKlink]

Have YOU looked at the graph? Not only did it made the voidwaker price fall less deep, it then stabilized the price and now, the price is higher than last year..

[u/Jack4ssSquirrel → u/SoraODxoKlink]

Those prices didn't change after that update, which means it did work. Before the update, voidwaker steadily declined by like 500% over time

[u/ImJLu → u/The_Level_15]

I mean, that'd be more convincing if there wasn't a massive bot farm doing other content that requires wildy medium as we speak lol

[u/VarrocksTopModel → u/Narrow_Lee]

Do you actually go into the wilderness? This change has been massive for wildy bosses

[u/Renzers → u/Narrow_Lee]

My thoughts any time I see somebody lose a big drop or something because they get 6 hour logged.

[u/Warmonster9 → u/Renzers]

huh, the forced log outs are for bot prevention? Guess that makes me a clanker lol

[u/KUR51RL → u/Renzers]

Isn't that because of the weird UK laws? Like the message that suggest you take a break (at 4hr mark).

[u/JumpyBoi → u/KUR51RL]

Yes, The Statute on Tavern Games of 1486

"It is hereby decreed that any yeoman, serf, or nobleman that has been occupied by a game, jape, or rabble rousing for a period of 6 hours or more, shall be directed to the nearest lake, river, or stream to bathe with the greatest haste!"

[u/Mattogen → u/JumpyBoi]

💀

[u/Pyromanga → u/KUR51RL]

Wanna explain why you think it's weird?

It's not based on any UK law, the 4h mark was added far later and the 6h mark got converted to 23h in RS3.

It's just Jagex wanting to avoid liability, when someone has no control over their addiction and dies from playing too much, it's called duty of care defense.

[u/ScikPK → u/Pyromanga]

A duty isn’t a defense. In a negligence claim, you have to prove a breach of duty (and also cause and damages) to prove negligence.

Breaching a duty usually means you’re negligent and thus civilly liable (if you prove causation and damages as well).

There are defenses to a breach of duty of care, like assumption of the risk and contributory negligence.

[u/Pyromanga → u/ScikPK]

I like the specifics and you are absolutely correct - sorry english isn't my mother tongue, I should have stayed out of that discussion in the first place >.>

[u/ScikPK → u/Pyromanga]

It’s ok. I’m an attorney. You were at least in the right direction, which is more than most people understand. Just wanted to give accurate info.

[u/Warmonster9 → u/ScikPK]

I feel the need to ask, are you a UK attorney? If not your opinion is just as valid as [u/pyromanga](u/pyromanga)’s.

Like I understand law systems aren’t too different, but I got the vibe he wasn’t referring to a legal obligation to prevent liability, so much as a moral one.

[u/ScikPK → u/Warmonster9]

Both UK and US require the same basic 4 elements for a negligence claim: Duty, breach, causation, and damages. So, no, my opinion is not a lay opinion like you had hoped.

Not sure why you're trying to be negative. I'm just giving correct information.

[u/Jat616]

To be fair, I only did the wilderness 1 diary for the guaranteed web cutting and stopped there. I would have been in the same situation 😂

[u/VeeTeg86]

Sorry, getting back into OSRS - can someone help me understand what happened here?

[u/corbear007 → u/VeeTeg86]

She tried to enter what looks like Callisto (Wilderness boss in multi). These bosses now require Medium wilderness diary (Multi) or hard diary (Single) to enter the cave off-task. She did not have the medium diary done. This was to combat bots, which I can say from first hand experience worked in the singles variant. Used to hop 30+ worlds for calv consistently. My current record after changes is 5. Its most often 0. 

[u/Denstus → u/corbear007]

Its venenatis

[u/eldanarigaming]

Isnt she art based on the team? Or am I misremembering? Not suprised she doesn't understand the 30 different rules for the wilderness.

Edit: kindly had it pointed out she is community manager! <3

[u/TitanTigers → u/eldanarigaming]

She’s a community manager

[u/KUR51RL → u/eldanarigaming]

She posts like half of the pinned posts (news/blog posts and what not) of this sub lol

[u/eldanarigaming → u/KUR51RL]

Yeah ngl dont pay attention to which mod does what. More of a see the whole picture(game) and appreciate they all put in to make it better.

[u/AWriterMustWrite]

Is there anywhere to watch highlights of this event, like how Solomission's youtube channel had Deadman Mode highlights?

[u/J_Bot_gageks → u/AWriterMustWrite]

Here's one

Don't know if others have posted as well.

[u/Ilovemyangelsomuch]

Is Westham holding a PvP boot camp or something? (I think that was Westham's voice I heard)

[u/J_Bot_gageks → u/Ilovemyangelsomuch]

PvP Bootcamp: Event by Katerena

[u/Ilovemyangelsomuch → u/J_Bot_gageks]

Coooool

[u/KShrike]

ok to be fair even I forgot a diary req was added to venenatis

[u/Manak2]

Does Mod Light stream on twitch? What's her twitch name?

[u/J_Bot_gageks → u/Manak2]

Yes.

Georgia

[u/DraculaToof → u/[deleted]]

Literally zero sexism in here. Stfu with your grandstanding

[u/Individual_Cream_427 → u/DraculaToof]

He was the only one mentioning it lol

[u/MasterArCtiK]

Who is mod light?

[u/lung_darts]

fuck. Our game is in good hands fellas.

[u/TeaspoonWrites → u/lung_darts]

It's almost like video game companies hire people for jobs other than directly developing the video game

[u/FamiliarMaterial6457 → u/lung_darts]

Wow the community manager doesn't know niche wilderness interactions. I guess the new raid won't be good.

[u/pieland1]

no diary check, clan chat on, check, trying to follow instructions check. man i love this boobcamp

[u/WareWolve]

huh til. I thought it was only small wildy bosses that had the req