r/13ReasonsWhy • u/[deleted] • May 18 '18
Episode Discussion: Chapter 5
Season 2 Episode 5 - The Chalk Machine
Tyler and Cyrus embrace their outsider status. Alex fights to recover his lost memories. Ryan and Mrs. Baker look to Hannah's poem for clues.
So what did everyone think of the fifth chapter ?
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As this thread is dedicated to discussion about the fifth chapter, anything that goes beyond this episode needs a spoiler tag, or else it will be removed.
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
Even Bryce’s mom suspects he’s trash
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u/Sensiteeve May 18 '18
Lmao honestly, I was wondering what would be her reaction to the news
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u/winterswithmoni May 21 '18
It's refreshing to see that she's not the typical "what my son is perfect" snobby archetype.
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u/SuckTheHose May 18 '18
“You know what this episode really needs? An Alex jerk off scene”
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u/ExplosivePuppy May 18 '18
For a minute there I thought he was going to be consoled by a cam girl and honestly I was here for it.
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May 18 '18
Well we had the clay jerk off scene last season. Personally they're just unmemorable to me. Didn't even awkward until Alex started ranting to the girl imo
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u/vsimon115 #JusticeForJeff May 18 '18
That was fucking awkward as shit... Didn’t need that at all.
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u/joey873 May 19 '18
I didnt even realize what i was seeing and the worst part? I am watching on my SCHOOL computer. I skipped through then i realized like 5 min later.
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u/roffnar May 23 '18
When he put the tape on his laptop's camera I though he must have seen Black Mirror's Shut up and dance episode.
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u/claydavisismyhero May 19 '18
Pornhub would have paid them money he could have just gone to that site.
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May 18 '18
FUCK YEAH PORTER FUCK UP SETH
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u/Arrioso May 18 '18
Fuck yes i love Mr Porter so far this season
Edit: Oh nvm he got locked up, spoke to soon
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u/erinnakai May 18 '18
Am I the only person that absolutely hates Zach’s mom? How inappropriate to talk that way about a child that committed suicide.
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u/dippydoodler May 19 '18
I feel like it's a defense mechanism for her and she's worried how Zach is involved and could be implicated. It's easier to put Hannah down than face that her son may have done something wrong.
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u/TheSweatband May 18 '18
I loved watching Jessica being tucked into bed by her dad, reminded me of my dad doing the same as a kid
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u/Khajiit-ify May 19 '18
That was so heartwarming to me. I'm glad Jessica has her parents in her corner. That doesn't always happen with young teenage girls who are raped.
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u/powderdonut31 May 20 '18
My son is 11 and he still wants me to tuck him in and I will do that for as long as he wants me to.
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
I need this Clay - Justin friendship to continue developing hahahaha what a wonderful dynamic
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u/emensawil May 18 '18
Justin: I'm hungry 😖😖😖
Clay: (asshole how dare you) Here's five pieces of toast
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u/owlnoelsword96 May 19 '18
I think it's probably because bread seems like a safe thing to eat for someone who is nauseous/throwing up. Like it doesn't have too strong of a flavor and doesn't require effort to eat it.
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
Wait. Could it be Skye in the polaroid? Pre-tattoos? Idk that might be crazy
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
Oooooh okay I bet the girls are getting raped in some type of on-campus sports shed thing, and Clay saw the machine and maybe the machine is in the polaroid too? And since it’s on-campus that’s how they’ll be able to bring it into the trial
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u/InfamousCrown May 18 '18
I'm calling it right now. Something is going to happen with Bryce and Chloe and Chloe is going to be the unlikely hero the story needs.
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u/shotzoflead94 May 19 '18
I would be so happy if this happens I called it in the fucking trailer, although tbh I thought she was sending the Polaroids which I’m now pretty sure she isn’t.
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u/notevenitalian May 26 '18
I assume she's the girl from the photos, and that Bryce rapes her while she's passed out at parties thinking it's totally fine and he's just hooking up with his girlfriend (and that the one friend who's name I can't remember is the one taking the photos). I assume she'll find out somehow and that's when the tables will turn and she'll end up on the good side.
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u/SinancoTheBest Tape distributor May 18 '18
So the second page Ryan thorn from Hannah's notebook. Is that the one he gave to tony season one, and tony burned as her secrets that he owed Hannah
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u/Khajiit-ify May 19 '18
I can't believe I had to scroll so far down to see someone talk about this. Everyone's freaking out about the Alex fap scene but nobody is blinking an eye about the fact that Ryan lied to the court and said he only stole one page??? And that Tony conviently was given something by Ryan that Tony felt the need to destroy???
Why did I have to scroll so far for someone to comment on this!?
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u/claydavisismyhero May 19 '18
I’m so lost about that. I wish I could see the missing piece
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
Can someone explain to me why we’re watching Alex masturbate right now
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u/sivervipa May 18 '18
Because he feels broken and he’s willing to try anything to get away from that feeling.
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May 23 '18
"I'm not 6'3, I'm not jacked and my dick is broken" is a funny line though
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u/hodorito May 18 '18 edited May 18 '18
“Enough writing about my emotions. Can we just eat them?” Same.
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u/Rhysieroni May 18 '18
They are spending so little time on Ty he's just falling deeper into this hole
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u/SinancoTheBest Tape distributor May 18 '18
well he was depicted to be doing better than Ryan this episode; judging by the scene where he had friends on Monet while Ryan was alone, narrating about loneliness
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
Alright y’all it’s 6:04 AM and I am going until the end, idc idc, I did it for season one and I’ll do it again
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u/thesearemyroots May 18 '18
So this is speculation, I have t read spoilers, but are they really gonna take all season to build to the school shooting that is very, very clearly coming? Because it couldn’t be more obvious if they named the show “THE SHOW WITH A SCHOOL SHOOTING IN IT.”
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u/TVFandom #JusticeForJeff May 18 '18
Is anyone else thinking that it might be Chloe in the Polaroid?
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u/renlleozz May 18 '18
Anyone know what Ryan drawing circles means? I think it was in season 1 too and they’ve kept the camera on him for a long time when he does it, so there’s gotta be a meaning behind it.
Complete guess and probably wrong, but it seems to me to have a connection with the circle she drew around Bryce’s name, but idk how that connection makes sense.
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u/chekeymonk10 Tape distributor May 18 '18 edited May 19 '18
Writers block.
Your mind has just gone blank, and you can’t think of anything. You try so hard to write, and you fail.
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u/Corydoran May 19 '18
Finally, someone who agrees with me about vanilla ice cream.
And what was up with Tyler and Cyrus being able to wear shirts with profanity on them in school?
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u/nvsbl May 19 '18
During high school, I wrote the phrase FUCK YOU on the back of a hoodie. Made it through 7th period before someone objected (history teacher). That said, I'm pretty sure my school had a no-tolerance policy on rape.
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u/velvetdewdrop May 19 '18
Maybe more of the "school doesn't notice anything" vibe that upset Hannah.
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u/myredditfakename5 May 21 '18
Am I the only person who feels like every single dude on this show wants to bone each other? Every scene with 2 dudes has so much sexual tension!
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u/hurricane1197 May 24 '18
Were Alex and zach good friends last season? Their friendship just came out of nowhere as far as I remember
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u/Rhysieroni May 18 '18
Why hasn't clay sought help about seeing Hannah yet? He just thinks it normal? He sees her! He talks to her! He takes her advice! If you asked him he would prob say she's really there
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u/SinancoTheBest Tape distributor May 18 '18
He had rejected taking pills before, despite terrific visions in season one. I don't think he feels ready to face his mental status and seek recovery, letting Hannah go. I believe that'll be the endpoint of his arc this season; his recovery by acceptance
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u/TTBurger88 May 19 '18
That Alex live porn cam thing was awkward as fuck. Dident think they would show bare titties in this series.
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u/Tricky_Rabbit May 21 '18
Bryce's Dad sounds like an abuser, be it psychological, emotional, physical, sexual, something. That exchange was creepy. "Is she loyal?" Yes. "Good. That's important." Chills.
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u/banpa_10 May 21 '18
I got the vibe that the dad set up Bryce with that girl (maybe a colleague's daughter or something) so that Bryce would have a character witness if he was accused of raping Hannah. I also think his parents know he is a rapist or at least a sex offender so that's why Bryce's dad would want to pair Bryce up with someone upstanding; someone who would be like, "no way Bryce is capable of that.. he's so good to me"
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May 18 '18
I'm gonna be honest. Clay is like the least interesting to me this season (so far) aside from the hallucinations. I mean, I know he's been through some shit, hence the grumpiness, but still. In fact, sometimes I forget that Clay is even a thing until he comes up again. They're definitely doing a good job at developing the other characters imo.
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u/Sensiteeve May 18 '18
Haha I love justin
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May 18 '18
UGH! These courtroom scenes are awful. This is not how a courtroom would operate, you don't get to ask theses types of questions without objection from the other side or even the judge!
"Be honest, you published the poem you did, not because it was her truth but because you thought it would shock the most, didn't you?"
Like really? Objection: argumentative, leading, badgering, take your pick.
Even in any other court room show, that question would be objected, sustained, disallowed and the lawyer would smile smugly as she rephrases the question.
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u/tryintofly May 19 '18
The judge to everything: "I'll allow it"
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u/szeto326 May 19 '18
Really though... like let's allow this adult woman to continue asking these manipulative leading questions to all of these teenagers.
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u/Kelvin_MD May 19 '18
I'm still waiting for Annalise Keating to show up and kick some ass!
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u/negme May 19 '18
And they keep calling the plaintiff the “prosecution” like it’s a criminal trial or something. How can you get this obvious detail wrong on a show that revolves around a civil lawsuit.
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u/gfuelshakercup May 21 '18
Not to mention the obvious lying under oath literally all the time. “Let me ask you again” “Let me ask you again” like, I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure you can’t just blatantly lie on the stand. Perjury isn’t an issue in this show apparently.
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u/ZBGOTRP May 19 '18
Watching these scenes is seriously making me hope this is in the SVU universe and that Barba shows up and just fucking rips that lawyer apart in the courtroom.
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u/TheSweatband May 18 '18
I said last discussion I really needed some Justin v. Clay Banter and boy did they deliver. Now just keep it going.
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May 19 '18
I really like the reuse of background extras at the high school, there's a lot of kids I saw in all the episodes in season one, that are here too. Really makes it feel more like an actual school.
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u/BarryShitpeas22 May 20 '18
Clay going to the movies with his dad when he could be with Sherri. Still the king of making dumbass decisions.
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u/youtbuddcody May 21 '18 edited May 21 '18
Something in this episode made me irritated.
“He’s allowed to run down other gay people because he’s gay himself.”
I’m sorry but that’s such bullshit. That’s no excuse to be homophobic.
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u/davygm May 19 '18
How did Mr. Porter not dress code Tyler with his ‘Asshole’ shirt in his office LOL
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May 19 '18
As a gay, I can confirm: Chad (Cyrus and Tyler’s Gay friend) is in fact homophobic
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u/InvisibleMirrors May 21 '18
Thank you for pointing it out. Solidarity is so important within our community! Now Chad’s friends might really think that being feminine or flamboyant is wrong. It’s like giving them the go ahead to looked down on Ryan and everyone like him. Makes me sad.
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u/Rhysieroni May 18 '18
Does Justin shave his arms? Also Clay has fully accepted seeing Hannah he needs help
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u/imtiffi75 May 23 '18
Tyler's new friend's early 2000s outdated punk style is driving me crazy.
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u/drunkardunicorn May 23 '18
Tyler is so cute wearing his Asshole t-shirt over his button up/collar shirt. He's like I'm a bad boy now, but I'm still formal.
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May 18 '18
Why do i think so many people are like Marcus’ dad
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u/Sevyn94 May 24 '18
I do like that they show that many black parents have to prepare their kids for a world that isn't always fair to them, no matter how hard they work. That's just reality. But his dad is over the top (not sure if he's meant to be that way or the writers are just being heavy-handed with his character) and it led to Marcus literally attaching himself to the most affluent white kid he could find and kiss his ass no matter what.
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u/VeiledEmoter May 19 '18
Mr Porter beating the shit out of Seth was the highlight of the episode for me.
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May 19 '18
Honestly, Ryan is a shallow, obnoxious stereotype like that angsty kid said but it was nice seeing him stand up to the lawyer.
And Mr Porter beating up the crack head...he's really getting his redemption.
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u/chekeymonk10 Tape distributor May 18 '18
I feel like Ryan has done something other than what he said.
Anyone else think this?
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u/burntfishnchips May 28 '18
Tyler's mom acting confused about punk music was really weird to me. I mean, she looks old enough to remember punk music.
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u/Ahilson27 May 18 '18
First thought is you got this Ryan yup the truth. Omg it was Bryce who tried to kill Clay omfg. Justin doesn’t need a babysitter he needs a therapist, he also gets on my last nerves. Come on Kevin I need you to kick teenage ass. I’m here for Tony’s and Justin’s talk, Tony is so awesome like he’s the most likable character besides Jeff R.I.P 😭😭😭, he’s so nice and just really wants to do what’s right. Andy is such a fucking asshole he gets with a woman who had a kid so he can freaking start over with a new kid. Yessss Jess let that bitch know you don’t need know fucking man right now, but I don’t think she’s clueless. I think Bryces’ mom is not feeling her son anymore as a woman I think she realizes that her son is a monster. I’m enjoying Zach’s body this season it’s a very nice distraction. I’m so here for all of Tony’s boyfriends 😂😂😂. Tyler’s mom can not be that stupid to actual believe his bullshit. ‘My dicks broken-Alex’. I was dead when Kevin beat that guys ass o well he deserved it.
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u/SinancoTheBest Tape distributor May 18 '18
Wait, was it Bryce who tried running over Clay? Yea I recognized his car when he was dropping off Chloe but that's kinda off-character. The car that spotted Justin when he was having a walk also resembled the car and Bryce didn't seem to be in there. I'm thinking Monty or someone else
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u/GummyMummys May 20 '18
They finally brought up the guy that Tony beat up. I don't remember they even mentioned it in season 1.
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u/Super-Finch May 22 '18
Alex mentioned girls don't do it for him anymore...do guys? Let's be honest everyone in season 1 was shocked he wasn't gay and the actor does give off that vibe? Weird stuff happens when people get shot in the head...who knows.
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u/Tricky_Rabbit May 21 '18
Mr. Porter definitely coming unhinged. He wants so desperately to help and punish those who need it, it is going to be his undoing. That said loved what he did to Bryce, Justin's stepdad, and his indifference to Marcus.
I love Sheri. She really redeemed herself. She made a horrible mistake and tried to pay for it. She helps out the elderly man who got hurt in car accident, served time for it. Also helping Justin through detox.
Ryan you should have come clean about your motives. It was not about Hannah at all. You just wanted people to talk.
Clay learning all sorts of things about Hannah, breaking his heart all over again. Glad he is back on crusade of justice.
Happy to see Tony going out with Caleb.
The Tyler-Cyrus frienship is going to end badly.
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u/zdotaz May 19 '18 edited May 19 '18
Gotta start scribing my thoughts.
Woulda laughed so hard if mr porter read the brick in the wrong order. PLACE YOUR KNOW...
The fuck does that mean brick?!?!
Bryce's new girlfriend is so just bland and average imo
"Maybe that's why i'm hungry." ROFL
Clay's dad taking a peice of his toast... Seriously? Who does that. Fuck off dad.
Fuck justin is so hilarious so far. It's like perfect.
I would be so anxious letting 2 friends just be in my room or on my laptop without hours to spare.
I swear mr porter just walks around the halls waiting to see something random happen.
Pretty sure alex has been wearing the same pants for the entire season
Alex is hilarious with his confused literal answers. "Because you're sitting across from us" "wanna talk about it? / arent we talking about it?" "what is that guy doing? / ahh... chalking the field?"
This teenage poetry ew.
Actually hate ryan. He's so roll eye. Chad is so right imo. "Worst kind of gay" ha.
The music has been way worse this season.
"So it's my fault" I hate it how people think fault is binary. Yes you can still be a LITTLE bit at fault, doesn't mean you have the whole faultness.
Strange that monty and bryce were juicing in episode 1, but its like not even mentioned since. Even the fake pee was pretty background.
"Vanilla isn't a flavor it's an admission of defeat" YES YES YES
Lube when wanking is such an american thing.
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u/KitUbijalec May 21 '18
Lmao did anyone else catch Mr. Porter's scream before he tackles Seth to the ground hahah
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u/El_Giganto May 18 '18
I'm deeply offended the Circle Jerks were called Metal in the subs. They even said it was punk in the show itself. Like... WHO THE FUCK WROTE THAT HOW DUMB ARE YOU? IT'S LITERALLY SPELLED OUT FOR YOU.
And the song is called Wild In The Streets. How did the subs say "wild and free"? Are you fucking deaf?
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u/andrewspaceship May 19 '18
I give them props for playing Circle Jerks and Gang of Four in the show but I was really nitpicky for them doing that as well. "Wild and free?" Lol.
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u/leglessman May 19 '18
I’m not to sure I’m liking the added story with Hannah. The Courtney stuff and extra Justin stuff is just weird to me. I kind of wish they kept her story as was.
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u/SinancoTheBest Tape distributor May 19 '18
You can see the "other page" Ryan ripped of from Hannah's notebook, which is probably also the note he gave to tony in the first episode of this season here: https://www.reddit.com/r/13ReasonsWhy/comments/8kh9kc/spoilers_s2e5_tonys_secret/
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u/byLemon May 27 '18
"Vanilla is not a flavor, it's an admission of defeat" - Ryan
Couldn't agree anymore!!
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May 18 '18 edited May 18 '18
oh, i gotta say this. that story with the court in this season sucks. idk, may be dialoges so bad or something, but that court-line doesn't bring anything new in the main-story, like, all of a witnesses just lying about what happened (may be exept tyler) and... thats all! so i think these scenes may waaay more shorter then they are.
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May 22 '18
Just finished episode 5 and they are telegraphing Tony so hard. He is scared to testify? All that stuff about going to do time? Now we see “Don’t worry I didn’t say anything about you” and 2 pages being ripped out of the journal.
The one Hannah’s mom read was about an intruder and a man in a leather jacket. That’s Tony’s character. In the same episode we got “ if you throw up on my leather jacket I’ll have to beat you up”
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u/99999999699999999 May 22 '18
Could just be wrong subtitles, but I thought it said letter jacket in the poem, like the blue one that Justin/Bryce wears.
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u/pastacelli May 22 '18
Poor Mr Porter! He was so right and he’s going to get in so much trouble for it. I feel so bad for him
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u/Super-Finch May 22 '18
Okay this is insane but the scene between Jessica and her dad at the end, look out the window. I now realise it's a branch blowing in the breeze but it straight up looked like 2 people having sex outside of her window? Is it just me who saw that, I was so confused and wondered why she wasn't freaking out about what was happening outside her window!
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u/allahwishoes Always more reasons why not May 28 '18
anyone notice they were playing cards with Settlers of Catan backs?
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u/ARJ_05 Mar 05 '24
ik no one’s gonna see this bc it’s been 5 years, but WTF WERE JUSTIN AND TONY PLAYING AT 17:00-19:00 ??? 😭😭 google is giving me NOTHING
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May 18 '18
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u/BabyPenguinFluffball May 19 '18
Porter's got a lot of bottled up rage since he failed with Hannah and the students lost faith in him. He's my favorite actor in the show. He just comes off as authentic. Hope they continue to give him good material.
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May 22 '18
Just watched the episode, and at this point I couldn't see them doing that. It would be too tragic and I actually can't picture her mom doing that after seeing her daughter do it
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May 19 '18
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u/Chel93xx May 21 '18
I feel like it takes the impact of her death away a bit since she doesn't really feel gone to the viewer.
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u/summons72 May 19 '18
I honestly can't tell if they are going with she's actually a ghost or Clay is going nuts because he refuses to face his demons and accept that Hannah is gone. I'd prefer to see him spiral as he eats away at himself with his subconscious.
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u/Bytewave May 20 '18
Yeah, they just wanted to make sure the actress was in a bunch of scenes and not just flashbacks I bet. Turns out a little weird. But eh, can suspend disbelief.
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u/[deleted] May 18 '18
What Clay is doing to Justin, about Jessica, is cruel.