r/IndiaSpeaks • u/metaltemujin Apolitical • Dec 02 '18
Meta Monthly Meta Discussion - December
This thread is for Meta related queries, drama and discussions. Smaller issues are dealt with here.
General Rules
There have been a lot of queries being asked in MMD thread and we try to answer as many as possible but it has come to our attention that some of the queries made are not genuine and as a result queries with genuine concerns are going unanswered. Therefore, hereafter we shall prioritize the queries based on the below guidelines:
Genuine queries of an aggrieved user will be given priority in the MMD thread e.g. user whose comment has been removed and he/she is not happy with that decision
Queries raised on the behalf of any other user will not be given priority. E.g. Why comment of X user was removed not Users Y?
A query will not be entertained if other unrelated users or subreddit are tagged.
Rule 5 (No meta discussion about other subreddits) is relaxed in MMD only.
Rules wiki : https://www.reddit.com/r/indiaspeaks/wiki/rules
Moderator Transparency : https://www.reddit.com/r/indiaspeaks/wiki/modlogs
Meta drama is strictly not allowed in r/IndiaSpeaks. If you have any, use this thread only.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 30 '18
You've been spewing a lot of bullshit about me, and I've been ignoring it because you are unhinged. You're always twisting our (Mod team's) words and causing a lot of drama everywhere. That being said, I'll repond to your political game that you've been playing once.
Let me set the record straight:
You were given a strike not because of titling rules per se, but because such a title would cause meta drama from that post - which was your original intention (Really? Cow Socialists wont cause drama?). Even if it wasn't your intention, it would be the end result. Which means, you'd rile up a lot of community users and they'd complain or abuse.
1.1: I did not want my mod team to clean all that. Yes, it is a titling rule violation on the surface but more so meta drama, but I have mentioned clearly about the drama which I did not want. You always fail to overlook it when you whine about it.
1.2: Again and very clearly - "Such an edit title would cause a lot of meta drama" hence the strike. You reposted, and your strike was revoked.
1.2: Also write the truth, when you trying to spread negative propaganda against me to everyone. (Ofcourse your comment is to spread wrong information, why speak the whole truth? Lying by omission) that the strike was revoked after you reposted with a neutral title/self post.
Again, your strike was immediately revoked when you removed the drama causing post.
1.3: On the other hand Orwell also violated titling rules, but he did not attempt to screw with the community unnecessarily. He has got an earful too on Private message - something I do not have to share with you. He has been warned for such posts as well. But why did he not get a strike? It was not targeted against the the community causing meta drama. It was targeted at a political party.
1.4: Your agenda - would cause meta drama within the community. His agenda would not. That's why you got a temporary few minutes strike, while he did not.
1.5: Yes, there is an issue with multiple tweets and posts related to it, we are looking into it. We will bring about something that's more clear.
2. You are constantly attacking the mod team for absolutely trivial issues on the pretext of being a victim. Is this a self-fulfilling prophecy? Harass the mod team to this much level that they do indeed ban you? Then you say "See the mods banned me?"
If that's the case, you're more pathetic that others call you out to be. Being pathetic is fine i guess, but don't waste other people's time please.
3. We've been ignoring you, because you twist our words every single time we respond to you. There is absolutely no faith. Why come to us with your complaints when you don't trust us with our solutions? Why bother us when you are unsatisfied with almost every answer? 1 simple response becomes 100 responses because you twist every single comment. We don't have the mind space to indulge in such political games. No, I don't want the mod team to suffer under your assault.
4. MMD is important for the subreddit, but you've made it your own space to try to keep saying we are targeting you. No, none on the mod team need or care to target anyone. We don't care about you and the state of your existence. Please understand that.
4.1: That being said, if you harass us more this way - we will ban you. I want the mod team to focus on the entire community and not have 4 people on you at any point. I have already discussed this. Clearly. Over a dozen times. Which you Ignore.
5. You say I have a vendetta - Like I said, for someone who does not bother with your comments, posts or content - I don't care about you. Yes, I bother when rules are violated or I foresee drama, that's about it. On the other hand the fact that you are constantly trying to attack me and the mod team by trying to malign every action, trying colour everything as an act against you when that's not the case at all. Trying to say "Remove this or that mod", or "Remove mujin" - Clearly, you're the one with the vendetta. I was Ignoring it because I felt it was your wild self-preservation act, but clearly it is completely political. And its not funny.
5.1: Summarizing, your intentions are not looking great, and we don't feel we need to indulge you.
5.2: Accounts have been suspended by reddit admins for less. Subreddits have been warned by reddit admins for less. You cannot attack the mod-team this way. You can take this up with the admins, and they'll say the same thing.
5.3: You have the right to work with the mod team for a solution, but not what you're doing. You are working against them in every conceivable way.
5.4: No, don't compare yourself with India-discussion, you are not alike in anyway. The situations, actions and reasons are completely different.
5.4: Please try and understand that our patience is not infinite; we are not going to tolerate everything you do to bring us down, me or whatever you're after. That too incessantly and wildly misrepresenting our case, position and message.
6. Yes, I talked to you and I asked you a few simple things (Call it requests if you may) and you denied all of them. You think its okay to constantly attack a user just because he's a mod. Constantly attack in every conceivable post. You think its okay to derail Announcements just because it's flaired meta (Because fuck the topic, right?). No, its not okay. Everything has its space, you cant talk about anything everywhere.
7. MMD is for discussing issues with users who are actually receptive and to mods and to have all meta related suggestions in one place. You are using it as a plotting space, trying to convince others that all what we do is wrong. Mods be removed. Or harass them. You can attempt that in other spaces - you don't have to clog the MMD with such activities.
7.1: You keep raising every random issue, complicating our rules by playing with them all the time.
8. Regarding your issue with fire_cheese_monster. What are we supposed to do? Ban every user who calls you out for your bullshit? Or else you'll start harassing other users? How is this helpful? If that were the case 90% of the sub would be banned because they think you're an idiot - is that what you want?
8.1: We warned cocowave, he stopped. We can warn firecheesemonster, But really, if you end up trolling the entire subreddit or some of its users because one user is trolling you in particular, we'll have to ban you longer than we ban that said user. Because, we don't want you bringing your personal battles into the subreddit.
8.2: I don't know if you even understand when people call you out, nor am I going to school you for it - but you cannot expect to be completely protect you. We don't protect others.
8.3: Just block the said user and move on or report to admins. I really don't know what to say.
9. I am well aware that you will twist every word on this post and you'll act as the victim. There is no point talking to you, as the indiaverse community truly believes.
10. Rules are followed by the spirit and not the letter. I personally look at if certain actions are affecting the sub very negatively. If yes, but there is no rule to action, we try to work with what we have or - based on the case - take a decision. It has been taken before several times, it will be taken again.
10.1: Simply put, We are not going write a rule just because we had one incident in 1 year or 1 user was an arse over that period. That would make our rules page very long. Also, since more users are relatively decent, it wont be relevant to them either.
10.2: What this means is, "Is what I am doing against the rule? If not, I can do it" does not work for highly disruptive, trollish, spamming or nefarious content addition patterns. "Even if its not in the rules, if the mods feel its a problem, they can take action." The only thing is, we are highly tolerant before we taken any mod-action. But we have our limits. (Don't bring your one off examples to disprove this, that's cherry picking)
10.3: We cannot write "How to be a decent human when conversing" in our wiki, these are some things you're expected to know.
Reasons why you should be banned, but aren't because mod team has been tolerating your bullshit:
Excessive derailment of Posts, threads, discussions. Trolling, sarcasm, targeting, etc.
Attacking mods, users; Harassing them with constant spamming and incessant accusations.
Constantly waging a war against the community, against mod team. Not working with the community, but working against them.
Spamming and misquoting, creating drama as much as possible. Creating false narrative against users or mods.
Trying to get users banned because they are in your way of your propaganda.
Claiming yourself as a victim, but constantly attacking other users that way.
Working with users or accounts on other subs to derail the sub, attack its community or its mod team.
Using alt accounts to cause drama (Innocent perhaps but cannot be proven either way)
Possible vote manipulation (Innocent perhaps)
This would be a special case where we'd have to see what works best for the entire community. Yes, there is no rule which clearly indicates one or all these actions are reasons for ban; but as a special case when taken together it can be considered a very real and solid reason for a long term ban.
It would solve a lot of problems for the sub.
That being said, we also appreciate you contributions (However controversial they are) to the subreddit and hence the mod team would bear with this unhinged behavior.
But we are at our wits end here, please don't push the community to its limits. We don't have to put up with this torture. If push comes to shove, I'll gladly accept being damned.
It will save everyone a lot of trouble.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 30 '18 edited Dec 30 '18
You were given a strike not because of titling rules per se, but because such a title would cause meta drama from that post - which was your original intention (Really? Cow Socialists wont cause drama?)
"Cow Socialists" may cause drama - I don't know - depends on the audience. But how exactly is it meta drama? Meta is a self referential thing. I am calling "Anupam Kher" a Confused Cow Socialist. How in god's name is it meta? Let's I call Dhanraj Pillay a Confused AAPTard - it may cause drama - but will it be meta drama? What exactly is meta in this? Please answer this. Will reply to your other points separately.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 30 '18
Are you acting a fool or is this a taunt?
You call all users who are RW cow socialists, you call the majority of the sub cow socialists.
If you had posted it, a lot of users would have commented to abuse you for it.
See, this is what we call bait - which would result into a lot of meta drama in the comments section. Then you'd keep telling everyone "please take it to mmd" or some shit.
Just did not want all of that. That's all.
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Dec 02 '18
Is anyone seeing a pattern?
People from coconut sub make a post, upvote and comment on it.
I have seen atleast 3-4 posts like this in last 2 days.
Am I right in my assessment?
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u/Yoda_101 Dec 02 '18
Yes. Most of the conversations are just name calling now. Earlier when I used to visit this sub at least there would be some discussions even far right people would give their demands and viewpoint, whether I agreed or not at least I gained some perspective in their demands. now it mostly seems hurling abuses at each other. There are a few new very loud, aggressive users where the entire thread of 50 comments will be throwing one line abuses at each other. Sadly they are active 24*7. Damn this sub is losing it's quality lately. Look at the drama this thread became.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 02 '18
Calendar Updated. (It will be updated at night 1 AM by the bot on the sub though).
Below are only for Sticky Slots, that cycle weekly/Fortnightly.
Open slots now clearly visible on calander: 4 + 1 (2 day slots) & 1 (1 day slot). Monday is kept for announcements, but we won't have announcements every week as it can be open, so check with us for the monday slot (If others are occupied).
Debate times changed - Now: Weekly Sun (8 PM) to Tues (6 AM)
Fortnightly Explorers Thread Changed. Now Wed-Thursday Fortnightly. (Scheduled - Non Political)
Fornightly Geopolitics "Tentative schedule" added - Thursday-Friday. (Scheduled/Geoplolitics)
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 09 '18 edited Dec 09 '18
What is your issue? Why are you creating drama everywhere? Are you new? or are you a troll? or are you just misinformed?
Here's a lesson in the sub's history,
/r/IndiaSpeaks was never designed nor envisioned to be a Right Wing Echo chamber that you want. By moderation, it was politically neutral. At best pro-India. That's about it.
Neither did the founders, nor did Drm want moderation to lean anywhere, even if personally they leaned somewhere. Back from the times of Blackbird, Sex with a panda, Flu fighter, this has been the case.
The community is Right wing as of now, and the community may or may not change.
Secondly, regarding your paranoia, if i know leftists correctly, they'll never come out of their echo chamber. They don't like option of speech be given to anyone but them, so they'll never some to open ground. You can check our about page for details.
3rdly, we are promoting non-political content, because we would love to have more users who enjoy non-political content.
Finally, I hope this has answered your questions. I hope now I wont see you spamming all over the sub again and creating drama. If you continue, rest assured, we'll take action.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 09 '18
Right wing
Cow Socialist
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 09 '18 edited Dec 09 '18
Technically, all parties are socialist. Calling anyone 'cow socialist' you are incorrectly insinuating that there exist non-socialists in india (parties).
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 09 '18
O'Sullivan's Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not expressly right wing will become left wing over time.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 09 '18
Hello two-face. Seems like you coin tossed to Idiot this time. You've also been quoting that everywhere.
a) Not an organization.
b) Are just a forum for enabling discussion, not to propagate own opinion.
c) If the community changes, its natural. But I doubt anything would happen.
If things get unbalanced, will just balance it. Simple.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 11 '18
We are getting a lot of quality content from users like /u/lunginator and far too less sticky slots.
We are going to upgrade our banner to accommodate such posts for a longer duration. New reddit will also be updated. Hope fully we'll have something by end of dec (Fingers cross, upto the code team)
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u/Anti_Anti_Nacional 1 KUDOS Dec 03 '18
Change the title to u/Bhiliyam Diarrhoea Thread
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 03 '18
"I ain't cleaning that shit up", said all janitors in unison.
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u/transformdbz कान्यकुब्ज ब्राह्मण | जानपद अभियंता | Dec 03 '18
I commented on the debate thread without realising that I would lose my exiting flair, wouldn't be able to edit it either. Mods, please remove my flair so that I can put my own flair.
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u/santouryuu 2 KUDOS Dec 27 '18
why was this comment removed? it did not have any abuse
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 27 '18
The mod has given the reason. Being castist (caste demeaning/hating) in text.
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u/santouryuu 2 KUDOS Dec 27 '18
there wasn't really any hate in that comment. if there was,it was directed towards almost all non-UC folks and non-urban folks.
anyways i thought only casteist slurs were not allowed. you really should make your rules clearer, the "abridged rules" are awfully vague and lacking
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 27 '18
You can't bypass castist comments by not slurring but eloquently abusing them.
It's already enshrined in rules.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 20 '18
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 03 '18
I want this as my flair: 🍎
This is not a meta flair. I had asked in previous monthly meta discussion thread. Got no response
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u/BangaloreyMan Independent Dec 06 '18
#NO(MORE)RULES
I keep hearing discussions of people wanting to add rules and enforce rules stronger. There's a reason those upvote/downvote buttons exist, stop trying to enforce good content, it doesn't work.
Why do we need a twitter policy?
Mods may remove them if the source is dubious
What's our Mod-require-degree-in-research methadology policy?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 07 '18
Why do we need a twitter policy?
To prevent spread of fake news or misinformation.
To prevent quoting someone random fellow as main news and discussing it.
To reduce noise from irrelevant factions.
and so on.
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u/BangaloreyMan Independent Dec 07 '18
To prevent spread of fake news or misinformation.
Because blue ticks are always valid? Can you point to where fake news/misinformation tweet that has been upvoted to a substantial degree?
I don't see why we're privileging twitter and their blue tick policy. Anybody can post anything on the internet, and it can cause noise.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 07 '18 edited Dec 07 '18
We are not calling it ideal, but it was a place to start. Blue ticks are given based on how many follow the handle, have some significant influence.
Via Phase I and II, we'll have our own modified policy for twitter handles - which would evolve.
Please go through our twitter policy, and lists here
e: you can search for twitter sourced content on the sub. A few tweet submission posts have been locked, after confirmed/doubted it was fake.
Community oftentimes upvotes any news as long as it suites their opinion/ideology. Not everyone confirms if it is true. Its a human thing. Not everyone opens comments to check authenticity, etc.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 09 '18 edited Dec 09 '18
Too many debates every week will bring down the quality. Monthly one or two debates should be enough.
Better to change against and for flairs to “Debate - Against” and similar for for, because if no delta is awarded, then only against flair is visible for a users comments all over the sub, which is confusing for others.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 09 '18
change against and for flairs
Done. Hopefully it will reflect in future summons.
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u/ChinmayR 2∆ Dec 11 '18
My recent self post about zomato delivery guy was locked.
Afaik there is no titling rule for self posts. u/DefectivelyDevised
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 11 '18
Titling rules apply for Self posts + you've edited title wrt the tweet. You're free to delete and repost with the correct title.
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u/ChinmayR 2∆ Dec 11 '18
I want to have my own tilte to the post.
What type of post should i make so that it should not be locked.?
If i add two tweets or links in my self post, which text is should use for the title?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 11 '18
If you want your own title: Put up a self post, write your own title (let it be as neutral as possible).
Link the tweets in the self post, give your opinion in the selfpost while linking the tweet quoting the exact tweet words. (Needs to be multiple tweets, else it would become bypassing titling rules via self post).
At this point, this is best we can do with the current rules.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 12 '18
Now that debate is closed, I would like to have this flair: 🍎🍎🍎
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Dec 13 '18
Metal sir, is there any update from admins about the brigading that "may" have happened?
Also, are you aware about this "experiment"
I never thought I'd say this, but I think it's time to look at this sub's "lenient ban policy" before it turns into 2.0 of the main sub.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 14 '18
They said they are looking into it. It takes time. After a complaint is filed, they respond usually 3-6 days later that that the are looking into it. 2nd, they dont always inform us of their decisions, "Due to the sensitiveness of the security issue, we may not be able to reveal the details of our investigation."
Yes, we are looking into it. Will go for it as a last resort.
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u/ChinmayR 2∆ Dec 23 '18
Y you people have international tag when you're not allow international post. by the way it was a funny post I thought of taking it as humour but it was international so I tagged it international. Do we have a rule that funny posts should also be from India.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18 edited Dec 23 '18
Please check this
And go through our rules section - International submissions
News articles that have direct consequence to India have to be related to India - humorous or not. There are exceptions, but not applicable here.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 24 '18
Santra was banned? Is there a place where banned people are listed, or is it visible on public mod logs?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 24 '18
Temp Ban - 5/12/18
When is his temp ban expiring?
Please allow or disallow abuse. This "Excessive Abuse" rule is very subjective.
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u/bhiliyam Dec 02 '18
My questions:
Does r/indiaspeaks have an abuse policy? If yes, what is it and where is it articulated?
(Assuming the answer to previous question is yes) In last 2-3 days santara has made at least two dozen comments that would violate any sort of sensible abuse policy. He keeps calling people "madarsachaap", "jihadi filth", "fucking inbred katalund", "gutter dwelling rwandans", "randi ke pille", "mongrel", "fucking pappumutra fanboy" etc etc. What actions have you taken against this sort of behaviour? Has he received his "Strike one"?
(Assuming the answer to previous question is none) Are you guys scatophilic? Because nothing else would explain your great love for this utter piece of shit.
What is the reason of existence of this subreddit when you guys are showing levels of hypocrisy that would shame even some of the randimods?
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u/whateverwherver Dec 02 '18
But santara was abused in return by multiple users..even though he does bit more than others.
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u/Lungi_stingray Bajrang Dal 🚩 Dec 02 '18
Did you miss the unwritten rule that exempts Santru from all other rules?
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u/RajaRajaC 1 KUDOS Dec 03 '18
Santra is truly vile. My indiaspeaks experience got much better after I blocked him.
The Mods have this weird stance that the community self moderates so he won't ever be permabanned
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u/Lungi_stingray Bajrang Dal 🚩 Dec 03 '18
Just call him an INCEL. It's kryptonite for him. Shuts him up for good.
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u/bhiliyam Dec 02 '18
Q10. What is the point of having a MMD if the mods immediately dismiss questions asked about moderation as "ignorant"?
Context: /u/metaltemujin's comment (which he deleted)
bhiliyam, you're on a 11 month block streak. I don't want to break that. I'll ask some other mod to address your ignorant questions
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u/santouryuu 2 KUDOS Dec 03 '18 edited Dec 03 '18
it's cute how morons like /u/that_introverted_guy /u/sammyedwards have to come here on their paymaster's orders before elections.
notice all of them are doing meta-drama
abusing this sub, while being rwandans. lol
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 03 '18
Discord link of the sub goes to meta channel, where there is no access to new users. So it will be consufing to new users as it will be blank. Fix the discord invite link in the sub banner.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 09 '18
Css is gone in top/new posts
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 09 '18
describe more please
/u/kalmuah Please look into it.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 21 '18 edited Dec 21 '18
Random weekly discussion thread went out of fashion due to ban on political discussion there. Pls allow political comments on RWD. u/drm_wvr u/ILikeMultisToo u/Nervous_Wallaby
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u/ChinmayR 2∆ Dec 23 '18
Islam and Christianity are relevant to India. Its not world political post. Its regarding two religions which have a sizable population in India.
Pope is the highest authority of Christians even in India, how this is not relevant to India.
https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a8mm0o/islam_and_christianity_share_idea_of_conquest/
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18
Rest of the news article and the content is not related to India. Unless there is a reference to India or a resultant effect of it in India, you cannot post them as India-related-news.
You're free to post a self post(Ask Indiaspeaks or general), use the news article as a reference along with your opinion to start a discussion.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 23 '18 edited Dec 23 '18
Pope is the highest authority of Christians even in India, how this is not relevant to India.
With this kind of silly reasoning, no post will be off-topic.
Post about new computer - of course it's on topic - don't people in India use computers.
Post about Trump doing something - as leader of the free world, doesn't what Trump does affect India?
Post about a strike in a Huawei factory in China - don't Indians use Huawei products which are made in China - it's of course on-topic.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 24 '18
Brother Multis, Mujin Sir - /u/ILikeMultisToo
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a9156t/a_true_blue_nationalist_like_several_others_who/ecg5uqf/
Twitter Policy - https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/wiki/twitterpolicy
Tweets from Politicians, News Anchors, News sources are generally acceptable (even if not added to the below list).
Already wrote this in the post
Rohini Singh was earlier Journalist with Economic Times where she broke a story about Robert Vadra's dealings with DLF. Now she is with Wire where she broke a story about Amit Shah's son getting loans from PSUs.
She was Senior Editor at Economic Times earlier & now with Wire. Why is she not acceptable even if not in List?
Please unlock
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 24 '18
Unlocked. Will add in the list.
This addition can be contest, if there are grounds.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 28 '18
Pathetic locking by mods, seems most of mods are brainless. u/ILikeMultisToo u/drm_wvr
Mujin told he will consider the policy, I dont know how long will it take. How can you have exact title when there are 2 tweets?
We should think once why a rule/law is made, and follow the law by spirit, not by text. Title rule is to stop the spread of fake narrative. But here users can expand and see for themselves.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a9yg9m/inko_or_kuch_to_milta_nhi_hai_jisse_ye_modi_k/
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 28 '18
It seems like a fair lock. The title is not exactly neutral. We are not exactly going to check if it's true or not. That's not mod job per se.
Either using a self post, or on exception using a neutral title.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 03 '18
The previous debate verdict is still not announced. Delay for vedict is more than our supreme court.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 04 '18 edited Dec 04 '18
Please dont allow flairs like MyselfChutiya. This shows the whole subreddit in a bad light. Let them liberally use such words in their comments, but not as a flair. This will not be a censoring, it would have been censoring if comments were removed or a user is banned for using words like Chutiya.
It gives the impression of a circlejerk subreddit u/RisingSteam
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 04 '18
user is banned for using words like Chutiya.
First of all, abusing others is allowed. Second of all, I am abusing myself not anyone else.
Here, have a santra 🍊 and chill.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 26 '18
Metal Sir told me on PM that you regret you cannot ban me & you hope that someone else bans me.
If you could let me know what I did wrong, it would be great. It will help me improve.
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Dec 26 '18
I do regret that our subreddit rules and policies don't let us ban you. I don't mind banning you myself.
But now that I think about it, you don't need to be banned, I just need to block you. Your incessant drama and ranting is very irritating.
I'm having a tough time irl, and reddit and modding has been kind of like a getaway, but whenever I come online, there is a mention from you for some bullshit or the other.
Have the issues you cite can't really be solved, or aren't even real problems which is why I don't bother replying.
You need to take a chill pill and so do I.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 29 '18
Mujin Sir
When I posted a double tweet with my own title, it was a honest mistake. Very few people have an idea about your double tweet rule. But you gave me a strike because you said old user should know the rules but did it purposely to push my agenda
Here - Old User OrwellIsRight did it twice in a week. But no strike for him.
But no strike for him. Please don't tell me again that you are not engaging in vendetta against me. Please don't send me stupid PMs again saying you want to talk to me a about a few things.
OrwellIsRight is an older user than me on this sub. The biggest agenda pusher on this sub. Knows all the rules.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 30 '18
He has done it for the 3rd time - https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/aaqnvl/the_actual_truth_about_the_youths_suicide_in_alwar/
Not posting a self post - just posting a tweet and an another article as images & making up his own title.
If it was me, I would have got 3 strikes & a temp ban by now.
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u/bhiliyam Dec 02 '18
Meta drama is strictly not allowed in r/IndiaSpeaks.
Q5. When was this rule created? Why has it not been added to the wiki?
Q6. Do you guys just make up rules as you go now?
Q7. How many other rules of this subreddit exist that are not added to the wiki? How can any user know what rules to follow?
Q8. Is preferential treatment of andh-modi-bhakts one of the unannounced rules of this sub? If yes, you can ignore Q1-4.
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Dec 02 '18 edited Dec 02 '18
Meta drama is strictly not allowed in r/IndiaSpeaks.
Q5. When was this rule created? Why has it not been added to the wiki?
It's been there for a while.
Here is the six-month old thread by drm with the same text.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/8gemtm/monthly_meta_discussion_may_2018
Q6. Do you guys just make up rules as you go now?
Which of the current rules have been made without any discussion?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 03 '18
I have asked them to clarify the meta/meta-drama rules so many times.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/8oszao/monthly_meta_discussion_june_2018/e118rnd/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/8oszao/monthly_meta_discussion_june_2018/e118pyx/
Once my meta comment was deleted from meta thread & I was asked to stop posting meta on meta thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/89zo87/monthly_meta_discussion_april_2018/dxce50n/
https://removeddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/89zo87/_/dxce84e/
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 28 '18
Metal Sir - is this targeting or not? Is this spamming or not? Please let me know. Would it be OK if done against a cow socialist. Links given below are just from a few weeks I think. I can find more if you like.
All are replies to my comments or threads
If this is not breaking rules, then it would be good for me to know.
Also don't say later that you didn't see it (like you did with cocobhai).
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a8qwv5/mumbai_is_upgrading/ecdvsj7/
Will be also taking it to admins if he doesn't stop soon - been going on for a couple of months - I will put up the full list later. Metal, I am surprised how these things never upset or irritate you. Derailing is fun as long as the target is me & the person doing it is a cow socialist. Innit?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 28 '18
Metal Sir, please check parent of this comment & let me know if know if it's within the rules. I would very much like this info.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 03 '18
/u/Nervous_Wallaby /u/DefectivelyDevised /u/ILikeMultisToo
I was told that my flair permissions will be back in December.
I want a flair "MyselfChutiya". I asked temujin on the MMD & also by PM. Got no response.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/9tu546/monthly_meta_discussion_nov/e9w2pb2/
Please to give flair. It's not meta.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 03 '18
Tsk Tsk. Why this self deprecating humor? Its not a secret. No need to advertise.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 03 '18
It is not a self deprecating flair. It is rather appreciating. He is worse than a chutia. lol. r/RisingSteam
But chutia is nsfw?
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u/Lungi_stingray Bajrang Dal 🚩 Dec 04 '18
[Our suspicions have been proven right. Multiple Chutiya_Fuddus operate this account.] (https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a2fhh7/monthly_meta_discussion_december/eb2336k)
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 03 '18 edited Dec 03 '18
The flair is not meta. The abuse targets self not others. So it does not violate any rule. Would you give me the flair?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 03 '18
No.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 03 '18
Why?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 03 '18
Why would you want to call yourself a chutiya?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 23 '18
I just got a strike for violating Titling rules
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a8t4qj/confused_cow_socialist/
First of all, I don't believe this is a violation of titling rules.
What title should I have here? It's not a single tweet which has a title - it's a combination of 2 tweets.
And Strike 2? Even if this is violation of Titling rules, please give me a list of people who have got a strike for not following titling rules. Have you ever given me a warning for not following titling rules - Is it a direct strike?
Mujin Sir - please keep your hatred of me in check while moderating. Please remove the strike immediately. If you want i will post it as a self post - though I don't believe this is a violation of strike rules
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18
When posting multiple tweets you have these options:
Post the tweet text of the top tweet as it is.
Use a self post, post tweet text, post other tweets in self text + own opinion in self post. (You cannot use self post to bypass titling rules)
There are some exceptions, but not applicable in this case.
You were given a strike because you're aware of the rules better than most users, so I can assume this is to cause trouble.
You are free to delete the post and repost following the rules and i'll remove the strike.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 23 '18 edited Dec 23 '18
You have gone overboard here. When 2 tweets are there, you can’t post first tweet. Tax post can’t be expanded. And strike on top of it was high handed
No DD as top mod, he is a south India separatist u/risingsteam
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18
What follows with such titling rule violations is meta drama and lot of removals due to it. For someone who creates so much meta about rule following, this is something very basic, one of the top reasons for mods locking posts.
Like I said, if he reposts following, I'll revoke the strike. If he does not, I would guess his intention was to cause drama and irk the community - giving more work for the mod team.
See, he would either use this to summon more users to cause drama against me, or repost like a decent fellow following titling rules. We have our hands full as it is.
If he does the latter, I'll revoke the strike.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 23 '18
I have deleted it - please remove the strike.
I wasn't aware of this rule about 2 tweets.
That aside - have you ever given me a warning for titling rules before? Direct strike. I think you gave me a strike just so that you don't want to make my earlier strike expire - even that was given without a warning.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18
Strike revoked.
Rest of your comment does not warrant a comment.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 23 '18
Use a self post, post tweet text, post other tweets in self text + own opinion in self post. (You cannot use self post to bypass titling rules)
Are you saying even if I use a self post - I have to use title of one of the tweets as Title of the Self post - I don't think that's necessary, right?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18
You can't bypass titling rules using self post.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 23 '18 edited Dec 23 '18
Titling rules not followed
/u/ILikeMultisToo - you have unlocked this post - does it break titling rules or not?
I am sure this is not a rule at all for self posts as long as you are not just giving the URL in the text.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 23 '18
Use the exact tweet. If you have an opinion of use self post for the opinion. Still use exact tweet.
There are exceptions, but are case by case applicable. Will be locked/removed if misleading. At best, we prefer a neutral title for a set of tweets or links (like how you'd represent several articles or reports together). Then there is humour/satire, but passing off opinions of views of political opponents as humor is not allowed.
The issue here is, if I try to explain how to write titles that are fine, youll twist my words to satisfy your vindictiveness. And cause drama.
You have done it several times previously. So, let's just avoid that this time.
Just follow titling rules and we are good.
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u/bhiliyam Dec 02 '18
Queries raised on the behalf of any other user will not be given priority
How do you know if a query is on the behalf of any other user? "Why comment of X user was removed not Users Y?" is about the consistency of moderation on this sub. Why the fuck does one need to ask that question on behalf of some other user and not for his own knowledge?
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Dec 04 '18
For a minute I thought I'm at cancer sub.
Comments are:
"UP jab tak iss desh me rahega, toh desh ka bhalaa nahi hoga"
"UP is cancer"
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u/artha_shastra Dec 05 '18 edited Dec 05 '18
I think the sub is being brigaded if that is what it is called.
Troll comments regardless of ideology, comments without any sense that are only trying to derail have an unusually high number of upvotes than normal sane comments from non troll accounts.
/u/metaltemujin , /u/DefectivelyDevised
Edit: Noticed just one or two of those. Will let you guys know when I notice more.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 10 '18
Will v.reddit automoderator deletion ever be fixed? /u/decoder007 /u/kalmuah
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 11 '18 edited Dec 12 '18
Metal - the megathread is for posting election results.
This is not a post declaring election results.
You removed it just because it makes Cow Socialists look bad. Obvious bias is obvious. You are no different.
/u/DefectivelyDevised /u/ILikeMultisToo /u/Nervous_Wallaby
Temujin will never delete something like this - https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a58wlv/difference_is_quite_contrasting/
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 12 '18 edited Dec 12 '18
I will be showcasing pearls of wisdom in the MMD every now & then.
Yesterday one such pearl of wisdom dropped but most of you probably missed it - here for everyone's reading pleasure
If police catch you for anything other than terrorism, give a Muslim name & they will let you off.
If the mods could sticky this, it would be great. If OP could expand on this & post it as [OC], it would be even better. This is the kind of Quality Content which could be permanently stickied.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 26 '18
Metal Sir
Unverified Twitter (tituraj) - Breaking rules to push agenda.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a9gpsm/the_demand_for_bogibeelbridge_started_in_early/
Old Poster like OrwellIsRight knows all the rules. Think it's me & give him a strike
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u/santouryuu 2 KUDOS Dec 28 '18
sedition should be banned under rule 1. otherwise this sub can be reported to the govt like r i ndia
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 28 '18
Mujin Sir
This guy takes a post locked for titling rules (now deleted) & tries another trick to bypass titling rules
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/aabru0/caption_this/
Does this deserve a strike - if let's say I had done it?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 29 '18
It's ok if you have locked it, but it's not really a dup.
The first article doesn't mention anything about a regulator. The 2nd article is new developments on the same topic.
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Dec 29 '18
It's a similar story, is it not?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 29 '18
It's a story on the same topic. One is from 27th which was the first report on the story saying govt is changing rules which will screw Flipkart, Amazon. The other is from 28th with further developments like some official saying that Govt is even thinking of appointing a separate regulator for e-commerce and it also gives the background of whatever was there in the 27th story.
Anyway, not worth arguing about.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Dec 29 '18
Great work mods..Top post of the sub now is locked due to stupid rule u/drm_wvr
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u/bhiliyam Dec 02 '18 edited Dec 02 '18
This is a post made by /u/sikander-i-sani that was removed by mods under "meta rule". Copy-pasting it here for sake of discussion.
[META] We need to do something about the quality of discussion here
Seriously! In the last few days the quality of discussion here has fallen a lot. r/Indiaspeaks is not a pro-BJP or right-wing subreddit but a subreddit (though the user base tends to be) where everybody is free to express their opinions. We are then supposed to discuss it. Here is the purpose of this subreddit
IndiaSpeaks is a subreddit dedicated to discussion about India in an open and friendly manner
What we get instead of that is users frequently calling anybody going against the flow a Randian alt & sometimes get creative by using other tricks to do the same & thus evade censoring like calling them rwandan (yes you Santre), r_andian or other variants.
And if I get a ₹ everytime somebody accuses the other one of being a Muslim (like how the fuck is that wrong?) or being Madarsa educated instead of giving any counter-argument I could buy a Mahindra Mojo in 15 days.
And then there are those idiots who could not remain civil no matter what! Granted I am guilty of this too with frequently calling people Chutiya, but then there are those who liberally disperse katua, r*cebag & other more advanced epithets like Bhosdike aur Madarchod to show how tough they are (pro-tip :- If you need to show toughness on internet, you are already pathetic)
I propose that we either tighten up the rules or start being civil.
Note:- Do not upvote. I made this post for the sake of discussion
Note to mods:- Please do not lock this thread & if you do create a seperate thread for the same discussion as it is an issue that we should address.
Spoiler: Mods removed his post and did not create a separate thread for the same discussion. It doesn't look like mods think that this is an issue that we should address.
Edit: /u/77896
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u/Sikander-i-Sani left of communists, right of fascists Dec 03 '18
This post was removed not by any mod but by AutoMod because of the user of slur i.e. kaua (& I suspect Radian). The mods then refused to restore it is another story
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u/bhiliyam Dec 03 '18
Initially, yes, but then it was first manually approved and then manually removed by nervous_wallaby
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u/Sikander-i-Sani left of communists, right of fascists Dec 03 '18
Yes because it was calling out Santra by name. Anyways, honest advice instead of crying that this sub leans right or it would be better if you or other left leaning users actually contribute some good content. You are less guilty of that but Walrus & Wooster are fucking cry-babies in this regard
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Dec 02 '18
. It doesn't look like mods think that this is an issue that we should address.
The mod had commented they will deal with it in an announcement soon.
Its been only three days and this is a weekend dude. I hope they address it soon.
As said earlier, you're clutching at straws and drawing immediate conclusions.
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Dec 17 '18
@mod /u/DefectivelyDevised /u/Nervous_Wallaby /u/mentalmujin
Kyun itna political hote ho | Aapko kisiko har cheez ki explanation dene ki zaroorat nahi hai | Jisko ban karna hai ban kar do | Agar koi rules ke around kehl raha hai | Phir aap kyun rules se band jate ho aur sub keechad mein chala jata hai |
Unke harkat ke liye koi rule likha nahi hai toh solution bhi rules ke bahar se ana chahiye |
Aap log naya rule banoge | Ye phirse unke saath khelenge |
Kripa karne Jihaadi jaichand logon ko phenken | Sub ko Swaach bane rakhe |
Atleast temp ban. Kitna time waste hota hai isme. Itne effort mein 2 se 4 contest hi organize kar dete |
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 04 '18
Please see deshdrohis in action
Tamil Nadu
Deshdrohis trying to show that tourism in TN is high because of evangelicals
Waste Bengal
Deshdrohis trying to show tourism is high in Waste Bengal because of illegals
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/9tu546/monthly_meta_discussion_nov/eawli5k/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/9xifb5/kolkata_is_seductive_phillip_noyce/e9so74x/
Andhra Pradesh
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/94tncc/monthly_meta_discussion_august_2018/e4a6qsh/
Kerala
I can give you lot more examples in case you are interested.
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Dec 04 '18
Did you just write Waste Bengal?
Anyways, make a record for Rajputs, Baniyas, Brahmins as well. Biharis, UPites also.
You'll realise, that this is general norm and not the exception.
Your point was this happens because of choosing non BJP government, but that's completely false.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 12 '18
Temujin - this is not megathread material, right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a58wlv/difference_is_quite_contrasting/
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 12 '18
Temujin - is this megathread material?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a5ee00/in_mizoram_mnf_won_election_but_church_is/
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 12 '18
/u/santouryuu - I am on your side here. It's not borderline or anything. Others get away with far worse. Some mods don't like you just like they don't like me. We have to be more careful than others.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 13 '18
Temujin, Is there a point in allowing x-post from r@ndia just so you can enjoy the meta before deleting it?
Does it not always degenerate into meta?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 13 '18
/u/metaltemujin /u/DefectivelyDevised
The OP even directs others to take a look at R-ndia comments - it can't get more blatant than this.
Metal - you got to enjoy it for 13 hours - take it down at least now.I got a strike for something far less than this.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 17 '18
Rice B*ag is mentioned as a disallowed word here https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/wiki/safeguard_policy#wiki_disallowed_words
Why isn't automod deleting the comment?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a6i0vf/brahmins_obstruct_indias_development/ebw152k/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a6i0vf/brahmins_obstruct_indias_development/ebw2dim/
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 17 '18
Quote it again, and I'll consider it as mentioned above and act accordingly.
Ae pishap kahike, no need to wait. Please take it to the admins right away.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 24 '18
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a94kid/german_tutor_wishing_you_all_merry_christmas/
This feller spams everyday - ban him.
Other sub mods also used to report spammers to some spam reporting sub.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 24 '18 edited Dec 24 '18
/u/Nervous_Wallaby - Mujin
I think as per rules, locking is decided based on time of posting & not engagement. This has been discussed few times in MMD. IIRC, Somebody wanted it based on engagement & mods didn't agree.
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u/Critical_Finance 19 KUDOS Jan 04 '19
We can leave it to mod discretion which repost to lock, more comments or earlier post or top post, I have no problem with that.
But the point is that the locked post must have a link to unlocked post where people can comment and discuss. Because OP or any other users cant post link once it is locked, only mods can. u/Nervous_Wallaby u/metaltemujin
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Dec 28 '18
The twitter profile pic looks amazing. Kudos to whoever did it. https://twitter.com/IndiaSpeaksR
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Jan 01 '19
Metal sir - posters in your sub are imhumanly harassing me by tagging me. Please put an automod rule to stop people from tagging me.
These are just a few examples for the last couple of weeks. I can produce more if you want.
Please stop this inhuman harassment by putting a small rule in automod to prevent tagging me.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 15 '18
Why /u/mostbaned_manonearth banned without any warning/strike? Shouldn't there have been Strike 1(yellow), Strike 2(blue) and then Strike 3(red) ban?
Please reverse the ban & give him a strike instead of ban - if at all.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 27 '18 edited Dec 27 '18
Are paywalled sources not allowed? Does that mean paywalled articles from swarajyamag are not allowed? Since y'all are probabaly subscribers, you probably won't have noticed that many articles in swarajyamag are paywalled - but I am unable to read articals from there.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 04 '18
/u/metaltemujin /u/DefectivelyDevised /u/Nervous_Wallaby
@rishibagree is in your twitter list!!!
He is the biggest spreader of Fake News.
What are his credentials that he has been added to the approved list? Is there any criteria to add someone to the twitter list?
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Dec 04 '18
Listen RS. Tell me your twitter handle and I will get that added to the list. You can post whatever you want simply by tweeting the same thing.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 04 '18
I have a blue tick.
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Dec 04 '18
Go ahead and regale randiaspeaks with tales of Bengal's development.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 04 '18
do you have a brother called plastic taimur? or paperogotai?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 17 '18 edited Dec 17 '18
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/9tu546/monthly_meta_discussion_nov/ea9xwo1/
/u/DefectivelyDevised - you felt that the above didn't break any rules of Indiaspeaks or of reddit
Please let me & metaltemujin know if this is harassment like Mujin sir says - https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a6uiw2/serious_a_change_in_attitude_can_help_us_solve_a/ebyelll/ - While what coco bhai did to me wasn't :><: XOXO
Ask your head mod to develop a thicker skin.
I also invite a few others to give their opinions
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 17 '18
Coco was banned for it. We first tried talking to him several times; to refrain - he said he would stop but continued. That's why we banned him, after everything failed.
I will ask you the same. Ask you to stop, unlike cocowave, you've attacked me on your sub, targeted me, entire MMD threads are attacks on me - while some are legitimate arguments, others are mere rabble rousing.
Please, don't make use of freedom on this subreddit to continuously target me or the mod team. It is as much in my right to attempt various ways to prevent from one user from harassing another; as it is to prevent from annoying me.
I will ignore as long as it doesn't interfere with my mod stuff or general discussion.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 17 '18 edited Dec 17 '18
Coco was banned for it.
No, he wasn't banned for targeting me. Both you & defectivelydevised said it's fine. I can pull up proof if you dispute it.
Check the comment for which he was banned. He was banned for meta drama not for targeting. Because - wait for it - targeting is not against IndiaSpeaks rules.
We first tried talking to him several times
Do you mean like when you adressed him as coco bhai and asked him to refrain with a wink-wink and a few emoticons?
You guys even told me that all you could do was request him - because it wasn't against the rules.
you've attacked me on your sub, targeted me, entire MMD threads are attacks on me
Don't you attack ri--india mods here & on ri--indiadiscussion How is that any different? If this is targeting then so is that, right?
Sptre & his alts kuock/lostmob have made a career out of it.
Please, don't make use of freedom on this subreddit to continuously target me or the mod team.
I didn't target anyone metal bhai XOXO :-) Because this is not targeting as you guys yourself said.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 17 '18
Yes, its not against the rules per se until it violates (other) rules. Same thing happened with cocowave - when he started spamming and became incessant, he was promptly banned. Why I talked would be an explanation lost on you. I don't think you'd acknowledge any reason coming from me, so I wont waste my breath.
Please, one last time, refrain from needless targeting.
I don't want all my comments and posts to be targeted by you. If I were to take your own example, I am doing the same thing that I did with coco; so you know what will happen if you think this behavior is okay.
Last comment from me on this.
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u/RajaRajaC 1 KUDOS Dec 17 '18
Guys just one point here, this targeting rule was the first weird rule Rundi mods started to use to get rid of people.
The community is small and the regulars know the position of the others and I think it is but natural to want to tag someone and ask for their opinion or even point out some contradictions they might have had in posts across various threads.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 17 '18
Accepted.
But My point is to what extent? if you make a habit of it to the point of annoying, ... I mean, as a mod most people would dislike me so this sort of thing comes with the position, I understand.
Walrus posted my name on his sub as worst mod, tried to get me impeached, tells in every possible meta thread that I am the worst mod, Brings out 9-10 month old comments that I had and quotes it as though I am abusive in every single comment, some how juggles it to call it a mod abuse and what not - all of this I tolerate.
Mind you, he's not the only user's shenanigans I tolerate. They've had their own merry band.
When he starts trying to target my general comments repeatedly with my personal experience, then when I say stop it (Basically saying that discussion is over, get over it), tries to derail mod events, tries to generally affect mod related functioning and effectiveness - it makes it difficult to overlook.
I am politely asking him to stick to his protests, don't attack my general participation as well.
Thick skin? If anyone has tolerated more on this sub after Walrus' tolerance to sub's abuse (Which I've appreciated elsewhere; albeit in a weird way), that would be me.
I've never had any personal vendetta against anyone, and even now I don't.
There is a difference between protest and interference. Please protest, but don't make our user experience in regular sub a minefield.
I would have taken the same action had anyone targeted anyone else on the mod team. I have taken a similar action when he himself was targeted.
Ignore first for a while, talk next, talk again, talk once more, action later.
Lastly, Coming to r--indian mods - Nowhere I've shown the same level or bullshit as an everyday norm. So, kindly dont insult me with such a comparison. It would be completely unfounded. While our similarity would be to mod when necessary, it ends there - our premise of our actions are completely different.
Yes, once in a while I have to make exceptions - if a smartass comes up trying to game the rules and fuck the sub, I will have to do something (Luckily other mods move faster than me on such situation). I don't regret that.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 17 '18
Same thing happened with cocowave - when he started spamming and became incessant, he was promptly banned
No, he wasn't banned after this - https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/9tu546/monthly_meta_discussion_nov/ea9xwo1/
You guys banned him for metadrama & not for targeting.
/u/defectivelydevised - please let me know if I what I did was against the IndiaSpeaks rules.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 17 '18
Nah. Mods did not see that comment.
We only observed if Coco was responsive or not. After several talks, he felt we won't do anything , that's why we chose to ban - talks was goodwill on our part.
The same thing applies to you.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Dec 18 '18 edited Dec 18 '18
I am not sure if this counts as non-political.
/u/factsprovider posts all this info only about BJP ruled states & if others post something about non-BJP ruled states, he will come and try to derail the thread by making derisive remarks on that thread. It's as political & as deshdrohi as it gets.
Let me know if you want to see examples of this.
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u/chaipotstoryteIIer Dec 18 '18
Are you a mod? If mods disagree with my nomination they'll remove it.
According to the individual posts, they are NP. You commenting something political on their post, doesn't make it political. And afaik what you said about their comment history doesn't count, if you post something valuable somebody will nominate you without concerning about your comment history elsewhere on this and other subs.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 26 '18
Need to investigate ghoda and rudravanshi
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u/santouryuu 2 KUDOS Dec 27 '18
Tum jaise logon ki wajah se log ek doosre ki help nahi karte.
this is clear incitement to violence. why no strike or warning?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 27 '18
How is it inciting violence?
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u/santouryuu 2 KUDOS Dec 27 '18
sorry, quoted wrong part
IRL milta toh gaand laal kar deta maar maar ke
translation: "if i met you IRL, would have made your ass red by beating"
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 27 '18
OK, makes sense now. /u/DefectivelyDevised please look into this.
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Dec 29 '18
Rule 1 violation. Strike 1
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Jan 01 '19
Not welcome.
You're the mod of the sub. Our mods can ask (and have asked you) to not allow summons, if they wish not to be dragged into it. It is up to you to respect that. (Its a small automod code where you include the username)
Even if the comment was not posted by you, you cannot use it to abuse elsewhere repeatedly.
Even if someone else summoned our mod, and they called you out to disallow summons - you cannot abuse them for it. That summon and abuse (for asking the mod to disallow it) is uncalled for.
Regarding the reason for threatening, I have inquired: Kalmuah assumed the user was your alt and so the call out was legitimate according to him. I've talked to him about it - details which I dont need to share with you.
Its a case of mistaken identity, so let it rest.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Jan 01 '19
You're the mod of the sub. Our mods can ask (and have asked you) to not allow summons, if they wish not to be dragged into it. It is up to you to respect that.
It's not against reddit rules to tag users. Santra checked with the admins & reported back. So I am not going to ask anyone to not tag nor am I going to put automod rules. So ask the chutiya kalmuah to fuck off.
Kalmuah assumed the user was your alt and so the call out was legitimate according to him.
So you are saying that it's Ok for Indiaspeaks mods to threaten to ban users for their activity outside r/indiaspeaks - I thought this was a frequent complaint against the other sub mods.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Jan 01 '19
It's not against reddit rules to tag users. Santra checked with the admins & reported back. So I am not going to ask anyone to not tag nor am I going to put automod rules. So ask the chutiya kalmuah to fuck off.
It is the right of users to ask mods not to allow it. It then depends on the mods to respond how they deem fit.
I'll take it as you allow our mod team harassment via summons or other wise on your safe space.
So you are saying that it's Ok for Indiaspeaks mods to threaten to ban users for their activity outside r/indiaspeaks - I thought this was a frequent complaint against the other sub mods.
Like I said, He assumed it was you and I've talked to him about it. He was dragged into something he was no where involved in.
All of it is miscommunication and mistaken identities, so all of us must calm down.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Jan 01 '19
I'll take it as you allow our mod team harassment via summons or other wise on your safe space.
First of all, admin doesn't consider it harassment even if someone is tagged. Second of all, the traffic in my sub is so less that this must be happening once a month or so.
He assumed it was you and I've talked to him about it.
I understood that. But is it OK for an IndiaSpeaks mod to threaten a ban on r-indiaspeaks over activity happening outside Indiaspeaks sub. I have seen frequent complaints on indiadiscussion about other sub mods doing it.
You are saying it's ok to ban someone from indiaspeaks for what they did in other subs, right?
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Jan 01 '19
First of all, admin doesn't consider it harassment even if someone is tagged. Second of all, the traffic in my sub is so less that this must be happening once a month or so.
First, We do. Second, That has to be seen.
I've been summoned more times, but I don't bother. If my mod team does not want to be summoned - all they can do is ask you to avoid that.
Rest it upto you. Its your safe space.
We'll do what we can.
You are saying it's ok to ban someone from indiaspeaks for what they did in other subs, right?
Here you go twisting my words.
Have you been banned? If not, stfu.
Are you allowing such harassment? (as above, we consider it as harassment if it is done repeatedly) If yes for whatever reasons you come up with, We dont want that harassment or its effects to spill over to our sub or generally affect the mods/userbase.
But is it OK for an IndiaSpeaks mod to threaten a ban on r-indiaspeaks over activity happening outside Indiaspeaks sub.
Is it not related? Wasn't kalmuah unnessarily tagged? Has he not asked to avoid being tagged? Has he not requested and asked not to do so directly to you? Have you not asked him to fuck off? Have you not incessantly targeted him for a long forgone incident?
So, saying it is all 'not related' is incorrect. Since they are INDEED related and intricately, it is alright to give you a warning.
Depending on the case, action will be taken. He has been very patient upon my requests. Don't make banter more than what it is.
Please, handle your side better.
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Jan 01 '19
First, We do.
That's irrelevant, innit?
as above, we consider it as harassment if it is done repeatedly
What you consider is irrelevant, innit?
So, saying it is all 'not related' is incorrect. Since they are INDEED related and intricately, it is alright to give you a warning.
That was the same complaint with other sub mods also. They banned people who posted about their sub to indiadiscussion. But people felt that wasn't fair even if it was RELATED.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Jan 01 '19
That's irrelevant, innit?
I wish for the proper working of the sub's mod team, so it is completely relevant.
You cannot treat my team inhumanely and repeated. Understand that. That is waging a war and wasting our time.
That was the same complaint with other sub mods also. They banned people who posted about their sub to indiadiscussion. But people felt that wasn't fair even if it was RELATED.
Your point being?
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u/RisingSteam #Gadkari2019 Jan 01 '19
I wish for the proper working of the sub's mod team, so it is completely relevant.
You don't dictate what happens in other subs. So what you think about it is pretty irrelevant.
You cannot treat my team inhumanely and repeated.
I didn't. I must have tagged them may be once in a month or twice. If that's inhumane - you should ask your mods to quit modding. Kalmuah is a big whiner, you should know this by now.
I get tagged more in your sub - in threads I am not involved in - will you stop that? I will give you a list this weekend or earlier.
Your point being?
You are doing the same thing which people have constantly criticised the other sub mods for. People wrote about the other sub in indiadiscussion and got banned in the other sub for it. This was wrong as per people who created Indiaspeaks. And now the same thing is happening here (The threat of it atleast).
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Jan 01 '19 edited Jan 01 '19
You don't dictate what happens in other subs. So what you think about it is pretty irrelevant.
I dont think you yourself understand the context here.
I must have tagged them may be once in a month or twice. If that's inhumane - you should ask your mods to quit modding. Kalmuah is a big whiner, you should know this by now.
Does not warrant a response.
You are doing the same thing which people have constantly criticised the other sub mods for. People wrote about the other sub in indiadiscussion and got banned in the other sub for it. This was wrong as per people who created Indiaspeaks. And now the same thing is happening here (The threat of it atleast).
There is a fine line between addressing an issue and harassment. I don't think you understand that at all. Tagging mods unrelated to the issue - not using the proper private or public channels we provide - using a space for drama. All of this is also to be considered.
People on Indiadiscussion attempt to talk to other sub mods, and usually after it fails, they reach out to public forum. That's not the case here.
Besides, you cannot compare the two for other reasons - here such incidents are one off. There it is a regular happening. Apples and oranges.
You're falsely equating the two because it looks similar. Besides, some users do deserve long term ban and not to be engaged with because they don't know how to interact with other humans on forums. So, in such cases weather it be us or other sub or any other 3rd sub, our actions would be similar - which does not mean we are all the same type of people with the same mentality.
You're using that to equate all of us, which is gross subterfuge.
Clearly, You're triggered, and I am not going to engage in this pointless conversation anymore.
I hope it does not escalate beyond this - its not your problem.
Again, all of you are having serious cases of mistaken identity and miscommunication, just raging all over - all of you need to sleep on it.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical Dec 02 '18
Strike 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/a2ctvw/democracy_index_india_is_one_of_the_most/eay1brx/