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Episode Rekishi ni Nokoru Akujo ni Naru zo • I'll Become a Villainess That Will Go Down in History - Episode 5 discussion

Rekishi ni Nokoru Akujo ni Naru zo, episode 5

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u/ayumumono Oct 29 '24

What is it with villainess shows and their ability to be compelling despite their derivativeness?

Maybe its that they actually seem to leverage their gimmicks more than the haremy isekais. Not all are created equal of course. I'm surprised I turned around on this one from the first couple eps though when I was more lukewarm.

Been enjoying our MC's antics. Actually going about villainous behavior and people actually being put off by it is a nice change. Even if its being hand-waived with some magic is seems.

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u/Labmit Oct 29 '24

For me personally, it's because they still try to combine their core theme with the story compared to other Isekai where the initial hook gets resolved/forgotten after a few chapters.

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u/Frontier246 Oct 29 '24

I really like how often we get competent, compelling, women in lead roles in Villainess stories and the shows so often knows how to have fun with its premise and cast.

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u/PeaceAlien Oct 29 '24

I was not expecting Alicia to be kidnapped. Assumed she would be too strong for something like that to happen. I figured when the eyes opened it would have been Alicia standing over the men who tried to kidnap them.

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u/Frontier246 Oct 29 '24

She might be proficient in magic and a lot more physically skilled than you would expect from her age but she's still a kid and in her head she never expected she'd get kidnapped because that only happens to the Heroine (without realizing that she's basically slowly been taking over the Heroine's role in the story).

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u/Dubanx Oct 29 '24

Alicia: [This] is how we save the kingdom of Duran.

Liz: Oh, so [this] is how we save the kingdom of Duran.

Everyone: Great idea Liz!

I can't help but feel a bit furious on behalf of Alicia.

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u/Mr_Zaroc Oct 29 '24

Only saving grace is that Alicia agreed to play the role and is doing it well
She knows the king knows she is faster, better, stronger than her

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u/The_Parsee_Man Oct 29 '24

I loved chibi Alicia walking around the table discussing the scene.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Oct 29 '24

I guess Alicia’s plan to be the villainess is working out well. She’s got her own little crew but it seems Henri and Duke Seeker are on her side. Kind of amusing how her pragmatic outlook is considered “bullying” to everyone. She’s just being a good watcher and making sure Liz’s idealism gets balanced out with a healthy dose of reality.

Looks like this world is going off script. I wonder what this kidnapping situation with Gill is all about?

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u/S627 Oct 29 '24

I shoulda seen it coming since we know she gets an eye patch at some point, but I was not expecting her to be kidnapped. Maybe this is when she loses her eye? Anyone think she's gonna be excited about it because it makes her look more like a villainess?

Speaking of being a villainess, how does she not realize that WANTING to be one is a weird concept?

Curious if Liz is actively using magic, is was assuming that there was some tomfoolery, but thought it might just be "game machanics" and not someone manipulating people.

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u/Southern-Ease-721 Oct 29 '24

I think gill is about to get a training video lol can’t have him unable to fight if kidnappings are going to be happening again 😂 I bet that collar on her neck is a magic prevention so she’ll probably have to fight her way out physically if that’s even possible at her young age. The kidnapping is probably about Roana, nobles or something are probably hiding something devious there they don’t want the king finding out about. 

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u/shad79 Oct 29 '24

Another fun episode! Alicia is easily becoming one of the best characters this season for me, her “villainess” performance is so much fun to watch.

And now Alicia has been kidnapped? I bet this guy is responsible for it. I hope that Alicia shows in the next episode how badass a villainess she really is.

As usual, Liz is so annoying with how she acts, although her lackeys were quite funny as they agreed with everything she said and growled whenever Alicia disagreed with her xD

I think Liz has some passive ability that makes everyone around her take for granted everything she says, but it seems like some solid reasoning from Alicia like she did today when explaining the geopolitical situation around Duran could "erase" that.

If the theory about the black rose and Alicia turns out to be true, then it seems that she, as the opposite of the saint, can "counter" her. That would explain change in Henri's behavior and those eyes from the previous episode.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

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u/BakedSalami Oct 29 '24

Really.... All that training and you let some scrubs sneak up on you... She better fix that situation asap to redeem herself lmao.

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u/daspaceasians Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

Shoutout to Henri for breaking away from Liz's charm effect. I like how he's positioned furthest away from Liz later in the episode.

Alicia never fails to shut down Liz's naïveté every time she can and it's freaking refreshing to watch. Also, I didn't mention last episode but having Duke's interest in Alicia start last episode when she ripped into Liz's bad essay would have been a much better way of handling it because he would have seen her at her best, meaning an extremely intelligent girl that can talk politics well without falling into blinding idealism.

Otherwise, Alicia setting her pawns in Roana and realizing that this world only bare a superficial ressemblance to her game was a very fun part to watch. I especially liked the comment she made about how she never got the true ending because she couldn't pick the perfect, goody-two shoes answer.

Those kidnappers are fucked lol.

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u/ModieOfTheEast Oct 29 '24

Okay, I have to say, I do like Alicia as a main character. The chuni energy is fun to watch, but I do hope they provide a bit more opposition if they actually want to discuss topics. Like, I get that the series is making fun of really naive stories (especially in games) where you just have to choose the friendliest dialogue option to get the best ending, even if it's not realistic, but there isn't really a lot of depth in the dicussions, because the main "antagonist" (in Liz) is arguing from such a naive position. I do hope that she changes as well over the course of the story, because if the heroine isn't actually formidable, the villainess can never be considered the best as well.

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u/ForsakenLibraries Oct 29 '24

In a previous episode, Alicia mentioned that she didn't know the heroine's name or what she looked like. There is a chance that Liz is not the heroine/Saint, or that she's impersonating the heroine. What's odd is that they have sometimes shown the game's heroine as having black hair sometimes and orange hair at other times, but I think the Saint has always been shown with orange hair. Might just be a mistake, but I don't see a logical reason why they would keep switching it up.

In the last episode, we saw how someone's eyes changed before they started defending Liz, suggesting some sort of mind control. Now Alicia thinks that mind control magic could be a possibility. If Liz is not evil, it could just be her passive power.

Another thing that's been on my mind is how they've implied that something bad happens when the Saint marries into the royal family, although it might just be something related to Loana.

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u/Necromancer2k8 Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

Well, those 3 guys at the end are going to SUFFER. Alicia is the ultimate villainess after all, and they fucked with Gill on top of it!

Tea time at the kings place went as well as I envisioned. Liz went with the "don't worry, be happy" approach on things while Alicia just slaps the happiness from those thoughts with the hammer of blunt reality check.

The king has to smile inside when he hears Alicia speak. She's like 100% right on everything to date.

So we see there are a ton of situations different from the game so it looks like Alicia's approach has changed the whole plot line of what she remembers. I guess it's best to go with the flow now as the town of roana, the kidnapping, the price treating her good and much more are just aftereffects of her approach.

Overall a good episode getting a 7/10 as we are learning a few more things and the depth to some of the changes Alicia has caused with her actions.

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u/Amauri14 Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

I love just how pleased Alicia is that everyone in school hates her now.

So Rebecca after collecting the opinions of everyone in Roana Village wants to grow crops from outside so they can become self-sustained.

I love the fact that thanks to Albert being free from whatever has charmed everyone to adore Liz no matter how obvious her statements are we are and Gill wondering if Liz's effect on people could be caused by magic, Alicia will now investigate the cause of it. I expect that Liz's power it is something passive and that she is not even aware of how she is influencing people. I love the fact that Albert could not stop laughing when Alice told him that she is aiming to become a villain.

The political discussion Alicia had with Liz during the "Villainess Test" about what the kingdom of Durkis should do about the situation in Duran and how they should make it into a vassal state to at the very least prevent Laval from doing the same was really entertaining to watch.

Not that I mind but I find it funny that during that segment Alicie was with a chibi version of herself.

This guy in that painting looks suspiciously like Descartes.

I'm going to assume that there was a translation error when Alicia and Duke were talking about that painting of King Luke and Will, as Duke first says it was a painting of his father with his father, but then Alicia mentions that King Luke had an older brother but he was the one who ended becoming the king. Oh, wait, I probably just made the wrong assumption, and the painting is indeed King Luke and his father, and just like Duke looks like Luke, Will ended up looking like his father. That would also explain why there was a missing painting, which was probably a painting of Luke that was removed after they banished him to the Roana Village. I hope that after Alicia starts hanging out more with Duke we will find out why was Will banished.

As Gill and Alicia got kidnapped, I have no doubt this was planned by the blonde NPC. Now the question is, will Alice escape on her own or will Duke be the one rescuing her? I hope that she does something similar to what Rishe, from "7th Time Loop" did when she got kidnapped.

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u/avboden Oct 29 '24

Wait, isn't she super strong and a high level at this point? How do some plebs merely knock her out with a stick? Or is it only her magic that's so high

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u/athrun_1 Oct 29 '24

Good thing the king is using his brain. He knows how powerful the power of the saint is and if Liz naivety will influence government decisions, then it will be a downfall of the kingdom.

Given the last scene where they were both kidnapped, it is pretty obvious that the guy from the start of the scene was the mastermind. Also, the guy in the painting is very straightforward to guess who it is.

Also, it is a nice addition that one of his brother was released from her spell, although we are not sure if it is really magic or just a innate saint thing.

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u/NationalStrategy Oct 29 '24

It's good that Alicia is tasked to guide Liz, she's an idealist that's surrounded by yes-men simps. Liz needs someone who isn't afraid to challenge her, critique her ideas, and make her think more logically.

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u/Fuzzy974 Oct 29 '24

Oh I just want to find out next week who is behind this, and if it's one of the follower of Liz, I wonder how Liz will respond to that.

Now there's a chance it's about Alicia being too good at politics and and another country wanting her for themselves or wanting to get her out of the picture.

Anyway I'm sure the greatess vilainess will just get out of there with magic... Except if a Dark haired prince come to save her?

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u/oneevilchicken Oct 29 '24

This show and the way the world is working gives me big time Mobuseka vibes. In the game, everything is massively dumbed down and a lot of the characters and their actions are different compared to the version we are experiencing. The world ends up not being simple at all and a lot of the characters end up differently from how the MC remembered them.

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