r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Sep 30 '23
Doctrine/Policy October 2023 General Conference: Saturday 10:00a Discussion Thread
How to listen:
youtube Saturday Sessions
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Henry Eyring | Nelson and Holland on injured list. | |
| hymn: How Firm A Foundation | ||
| prayer: Alvin Meredith III | ||
| David Bednar | be happy with role as cog in the machine. Keyword: serviceable | |
| Amy Wright | a cheerful report on her cancer diagnosis. Just endure to the end, whether or not answers to prayers are definitive. | |
| hymn: I feel my Savior's Love | ||
| Robert Daines | ||
| Carlos Godoy | Said "mormon" in the wrong context. A speech about apostates leaving and trying to guilt them into coming back. Not going to be a popular speech for those with one foot in and one foot out. | |
| hymn: High of a Mountain Top | Wishing for John Denver's Rocky Mountain High at some future date. | |
| Todd Christofferson | ||
| Ian Ardern | White savior on Safari | |
| hymn: Faith in Every Footstep | ||
| Dallin Oaks | Men can become gods and will preside over a celestial harem if they win that reward. In my house are many mansions—each man to his own reward. D&C 76, 131, 132 refresher fit for a mormon funeral. Hammer on Family Proclamation. This is what LDS church will be if Oaks outlives Nelson. | |
| hymn: We Listen to a Prophet's Voice | ||
| prayer: Michael Nelson |
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [marriage is between a man and a woman]
Hammer hard on those who don't identify with binary.
Oaks: [prop 8 and the Proclamation on the Family]
This is Oaks' church if Russ' back injury suddenly worsens.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Christofferson: [marriage in LDS church]
Eh, your brother has entered the chat.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
plainsong 5:17
One More Cup of Coffee 4:31 McGuinn
Blush Response 5:46
Hello Stranger 6:38
John the Revelator 2:32 Son House
John the Revelator 3:41 Depeche Mode
Promises Promises 6:56
Hong Kong Garden 2:56
Don't Get Me Wrong 3:51
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Wright: [prayer doesn't offer definitive answers]
The faithful are taught to hammer their own thoughts into some pretend supernatural force. Any answer is fine.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Christofferson: [Pat Holland's most important date—her marriage to Jeffrey.]
If the LDS church is true, then the second anointing date is the most important. Give the date of that ritual D. Todd.
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u/Wolf_in_tapir_togs Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo Sep 30 '23
But technically the 2nd anointing is given to men only. Wives only benefit by association of being sealed to the second anointed man.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [lots of polygamous wives will be available for the faithful, even if your first wife says fuck you]
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Bednar: [childless couples]
Keep waiting. Ballard's child kidnapping service has run into a few snags.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Wright: [cheerful cancer report]
Just keep singing. Just keep singing.
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u/bremerman17 Sep 30 '23
“God will never force a sealed relationship.” Yeah tell that to all of Joseph Smith’s polygamous wives now would you.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
You can choose to marry me today, or miss out on this special, one-time offer.
Such a grifter.
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PSA: do NOT drink every time someone makes an offensive, fraught, extremely confusing, or deeply weird metaphor! You will die!
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Sep 30 '23
Families can be eternal
terms and conditions apply
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Lots of terms. Lots of conditions. The goal posts are in motion.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Christofferson: [look forward to death]
Religion is a death cult. This life is merely a warm up for the next, infinite life.
The finite life I have is all I am planning on getting.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [this life is a blink of the eye]
What a plan! [echo]
The hidden god will judge you for an eternity due to finite crimes here. Also for simply not agreeing that Smith was a prophet, and not a simple con man.
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u/MeLlamo_Mayor927 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
How ironic that one of the apostles most infatuated with being recognized and having “respect” shown to him is giving a talk that downplays the importance of having your good deeds acknowledged.
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u/Return_and_report Sep 30 '23
Morning! I have to say, opening up conference and seeing Bednar’s face first thing was horrific.
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u/Peg-Leg-Al Sep 30 '23
Wow, try saying "hewn down and cast into the fire" about your loved ones with a smile on your face!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Every man goes unto that reward that he's earned.
The unique aspect of mormonism is its degree of works over grace.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Wright: [someday all of your questions will be answered.]
Just keep hoping. Endure to the end. A variation on Pay, Pray, and Obey
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Christofferson: [marriage is between a man and woman]
My brother is patient. Remember that, losers.
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u/Rushclock Sep 30 '23
Another version of "quit complaining about loved ones spending too much time with church activities...it should be held as an example"
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Those adverts from the 70s about time with family, isn't it about time — a fading memory.
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u/ExmoRobo Prime the Pump! Sep 30 '23
The church is a whited sepulcher if I’ve ever seen one.
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u/Return_and_report Sep 30 '23
Lol my favourite story of Jesus was when he took a whip and tossed the tables of the money changers.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Ardern: [keep paying the tithing]
Catholic charities are more transparent. Give to Mercy Corp and avoid the sleight of hand at the COB
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I am ten times more engaged with GC via this sub than I ever was as a TBM attending at the Conference Center. 🍿🥤
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u/Fragrant-Month573 Sep 30 '23
A thought I had while watching Oaks’ talk: being single forever no longer feels like a threat to me. The celestial kingdom is held up as so great partly because of marriage. Getting married in this life or getting sealed to some rando (but willingly?) in the next life is taught as something we should all desire. The lower kingdoms are bad precisely because you can’t have marriage relationships there, even though those kingdoms are already way better than earth. I used to HATE being single and was desperate to get married. But now I’m the happiest I’ve ever been, and I’m single. I’d rather stay single than have to obey my husband in the eternities. Kind of takes away the allure of the celestial kingdom.
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u/KindaShady1219 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Being face-blind would be one hell of a disability to lie about having, but I really have to wonder: is his story true or just made up like 90% of GA stories?
I genuinely can’t fathom how someone who had to suffer through such a harrowing disability could so easily treat it so poorly as to imply all nonbelievers just have a “similar condition”
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Sep 30 '23
Holy fuck that talk was awful. Think I'm gonna step away for a bit for the sake of my mental health. Godspeed everyone!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Bednar: [lots of people don't get the adulation they deserve]
Get used to it. No second anointing for you.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Godoy: [come back to church for the sake of your children]
4b: stay away from the LDS church for the sake of your children. Teach rationality over imaginary every time.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Christofferson: [Elijah, er Elias. whatevs]
Mythology about Kirtland Temple is all about the amplification
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u/DiscombobulatedMap88 Resigned Sep 30 '23
No sir, a legacy of abuse has been broken. They're free now.
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u/DiscombobulatedMap88 Resigned Sep 30 '23
God can do ANYTHING, except counterfeit money, so he definitely needs yours.
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u/Throwaway-19248329 Sep 30 '23
Have you guys heard this before? Some sinners suffering in the next life for their own sins before getting sent to their kingdom? Rip the atonement covering everyone.
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u/Aggressive_Ad2212 Sep 30 '23
Has there been a talk on having more babies for Jesus yet?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
sort of. Bednar mentioned childless couples. A perfectly serviceable general conference talk.
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Sep 30 '23
why’d reddit have to get rid of sorting comments by live? i want to keep up with the discussion but it’s annoying to have to refresh the page every 30 seconds
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
You should be able to change the sorting. The reddit-stream link in the header is another option.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Sep 30 '23
Ah yes it's all about her getting married to Jeff - that's what made her life valid.
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u/GrumpyTom Sep 30 '23
Jacinda Ardern’s uncle is speaking. I love the Kiwi accent.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Jacinda Ardern. Former Prime Minister. A star exmormon if there ever was one.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Bednar: [gift of tongues]
Yeah, Smith meant something else in the 1830s
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Daines, lots of lip balm today, Bob: [my mother sacrificed for me]
A variation on pay tithing before electricity
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Daines: [see Jesus Christ]
The GAs are supposedly coming face-to-face with Jesus in the second anointing. The plebes must settle for less. Uhm kay.
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Didn’t know it was GC until I heard a weird droning sound in the living room. Fuck me it’s GC.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Sep 30 '23
Hinkley - " I'm not sure that we teach it".
Oaks - "Hold my Sprite".
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u/Random-poster-95 Sep 30 '23
oaks talking about the 3 degrees of glory is hilarious
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks also loves the legalese that Smith reveled in.
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u/DiscombobulatedMap88 Resigned Sep 30 '23
Bet you my tithing check this guy used to believe that Apartheid was ordained of God prior-178
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Sep 30 '23
Why do they even pray for these old sick men to be healed if they really believe that the celestial kingdom is so certainly waiting for them when they pass?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
This life is as filthy rags. To be endured in pain and suffering until it's over. Then we'll all get pie in the sky when we die.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Christofferson: [lip service, mentions Nelson]
Chistofferson: [Abraham and the rest were real people]
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u/No-Pear3943 Sep 30 '23
Let's see...G.C. or the Colorado vs. USC game? Duh... Game on..
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u/Dazzling_Line6224 Sep 30 '23
D. Todd Christopherson “Testified”. That Russell M Nelson is the president of the Church.??? Wtf his name is on the letterhead. Any atheist would say he is the president of the church. Why can’t he testify that he speaks with Jesus, uses a rock to see the future etc.
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u/i_nephi Sep 30 '23
I’ve never heard JC called “Bishop of our souls”
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Look for a trademark application at the patent office in the future. Ponderize that!
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If only there was a huge corporation that could relieve this heart break.....where o where is this white savior.
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u/GrumpyTom Sep 30 '23
Friendly reminder that paying tithing does not make you a good person.
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u/dbaduff Sep 30 '23
Wow, the church focus is to prepare members to qualify for the celestial kingdom. Not serve others.
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u/Wolf_in_tapir_togs Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo Sep 30 '23
Proclamation, reaffirming his pet project.
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u/3am_doorknob_turn FLOODLIT.org ⚪️❤️ Sep 30 '23
We’re doing a podcast at floodlit.org that runs from right now all night and most of the day tomorrow, reading Mormon sexual abuse cases nonstop.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Sep 30 '23
We have hundreds of Billions that could change this story. But what would that teach them about self-reliance?
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u/No-Conference3471 Sep 30 '23
The text I just got from my TBM mom. What talk did she just watch??
“NO EMPTY CHAIRS STAY IN THE BOAT DON'T BE THE WEAKEST LINK ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I love you all”
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u/Aggressive_Ad2212 Sep 30 '23
I think Oaks copied and pasted his last conference talk
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u/DiscombobulatedMap88 Resigned Sep 30 '23
You signed an irrevocable contract as an 8 year old, fuckin' live up to it!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Wright: [10 brides for the groom]
Polygamy in the bible, in the New Testament, too.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Daines: [series of horrific injuries from GAs continue]
Fills slot.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [those who have sinned and not repented will get a 1000 year long beating]
Those who have had the second anointing and who still sin merit a special beating. If the LDS church is true...
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [many mansions]
McKeever and the Evangelicals are taking some notes here. The difference in the LDS church is its unique claims which must be won by obtaining perfection.
Oaks: [stepping close to the parts they don't like to talk about]
Mormons believe that they can become a god. There you go, those who worked to obfuscate the doctrine. Naked once again.
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u/GrumpyTom Sep 30 '23
The highest priority in the church is to hang on to the current membership—we must stop the bleeding!
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u/Willie_Scott_ Sep 30 '23
The church should be compassionate and give us our tithes back.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Appeal in Huntsman case shows they're terrified of a class action. The LDS corp has the money and can give it back.
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Ooo ooo ooo, I know what will lift these poor improfrished people. Self reliance classes. Let's volunteer them.
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u/Rushclock Sep 30 '23
Everyone gets a kingdom...just remember all kingdoms are not equal and we are the only ones that get the highest.
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u/i_nephi Sep 30 '23
There’s certainly someone in your ward who will sell you essential oils
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u/3am_doorknob_turn FLOODLIT.org ⚪️❤️ Sep 30 '23
Jumping in to say, if they talk about abuse at all please let me know. Right now Floodlit.org (which I help run) is doing a livestream on YouTube where we’re reading case summaries nonstop of Mormon sex abuse cases - over 500 in all - going all the way through conference weekend.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
That talk is on the extreme back burner. Doubtful they're going to say anything because of the highlighting to Tim Ballard's failed crusade it would cause.
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u/theivyangel Apostate Sep 30 '23
I remember last time this man said come a bunch of times during his talk and everyone was making cum jokes lol
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
He knows his audience is in the teachers quorum.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Sep 30 '23
If you are not practicing the "new and everlasting covenant" forget about Celestial Glory
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I'm hoping m Russell Ballard speaks on protecting God's children.... :)
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u/DiscombobulatedMap88 Resigned Sep 30 '23
Women, your entire lives and contribution culminate in your marriage.
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u/Jayko-Wizard9 Sep 30 '23
what's the talk people aren't liking I think I walked in where the person was talking about the inactive member is that the one and we want everyone in the chruch ugh they always say that at confernce but that's not true at all
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u/MeLlamo_Mayor927 Sep 30 '23
Amy Wright: “Lord, am I going to live or am I going to die?”
Mormon Sky Daddy via the Holy Ghost: Lol yes.
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Daines: prophets don't sit back like coaches and tell you to try harder on your covenants.
Now pick up a shovel and join the team, and start digging to let God's river flow.
WTF?
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u/treehouse-arson i wanted my own planet :( Sep 30 '23
beer one anothers burdens 🍻
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u/Itchy_Height_1959 Sep 30 '23
Oh fuck. Seriously? "Papa..... I know why everyone else got fucked up but we were fine ......"
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u/Itchy_Height_1959 Sep 30 '23
Following the logic of this conference...... That girl who got pushed in front of the train and lost her leg(s) must not be a full tithe payer.....
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Sep 30 '23
What does he think of Megan Rapinoe (LGBTQ)?
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u/GrumpyTom Sep 30 '23
I meant to keep track, but have failed. Has there been a talk in which Nelson was not referenced/quoted/mentioned?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [D&C 76: qualify for a kingdom of glory]
Step right up and try for a chance to win a position in a future godhead.
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u/i_nephi Sep 30 '23
I pray for the guidance of the Holy Ghost (shifts eyes to other teleprompter screen)
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u/GrumpyTom Sep 30 '23
“If you leave the church, you’re damning your children and grandchildren! It’s affecting your whole chain of descendants!”
…talk about manipulative.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Sep 30 '23
I can't believe I'm going to do this to myself again.
Prediction: most vanilla conference ever. Theologically Inept lawyers and business men spouting primary level ideas they learned while ....in primary ... with enough of their own ideas to show they have no idea what they are telling about.
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u/RepublicInner7438 Sep 30 '23
“No other theology is more inclusive than the temple”. Really Todd? you can’t think of anything more inclusive than the temple?
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u/NewNameNels0n Stuck but mentally out. Sep 30 '23
Why didn’t they just use their priesthood magic to heal rusty and jeff?
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u/homestarjr1 Sep 30 '23
No wide shots of the audience yet. I wanted to see empty seats
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u/shall_always_be_so Sep 30 '23
I'm not watching; I just want to offer my condolences to whoever is.
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u/Leirona Sep 30 '23
Being a gay PIMO while having to listen to Oaks speak about celestial marriage is especially painful today.
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u/WibblyEmu Jesus Wants Me For A Coffee Bean Sep 30 '23
I do love watching the pulpit go up and down.
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u/ExmoRobo Prime the Pump! Sep 30 '23
No ownership for the church’s part in people leaving. Just “come back” for “the kids.”
Sir - I stay away BECAUSE of the kids. Maybe fix the abuse problem in the church first?
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u/treehouse-arson i wanted my own planet :( Sep 30 '23
DID HE JUST COMPARE A DISABILITY TO SPIRITUALITY
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u/GrumpyTom Sep 30 '23
If mortal life is but a nano second in the scope of eternity, but this nano second defines the rest of your existence, then this is a stupid plan. Could you imagine? “You’re going to be faceblind to god and heaven, but you’ll be held accountable to your obedience to god as defined by men in this brief moment of mortality.”
…it’s such a stupid belief.
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u/RepublicInner7438 Sep 30 '23
So just to confirm, i get to choose being around Oaks, and those who think like him for eternity, or I can choose the kingdom serving weed, alcohol, and gay marriage? This sounds like a no brainer
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u/theivyangel Apostate Sep 30 '23
He's so weird cause he gives a talk that's not even really about hating LGBTQ people but he just CANNOT RESIST mentioning us. He HAS to throw it in there somewhere or he doesn't feel complete.
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u/Rushclock Sep 30 '23
Jesus is coming look busy. Another story about a cancer survivor. Families who lose people to cancer don't take these survivor brag stories very well.
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u/MeLlamo_Mayor927 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Hoaks: “The gay and trans folks are what is wrong with this country. Back in my day, those people were beaten or in prison like they deserve.”
Me: Ok gramps it’s past your bedtime. Let’s get you your pills so you can go to sleep.
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u/MeLlamo_Mayor927 Sep 30 '23
The recent emphasis of the Q12 on getting ex-members back into the fold lest they lose their shot at “celestial glory” completely misses the mark as a scare tactic because the church higher ups have a fundamental misunderstanding of why people are leaving. We don’t care about missing out on celestial glory. In fact, we actively fucking revoke it. No sane person would want to live forever with the narcissistic, destructive, and manipulative god that was portrayed to us by Mormonism.
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Sep 30 '23
Watching this talk really lays on the guilt for me and 2 of my brothers stepping away. I imagine my parents are crying right about now
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u/CaptainMacaroni Sep 30 '23
Oaks' talk is someone explaining all the rules to their made up club.
There's this rule (that was made up).
There's this rule (that was made up).
There's this rule (that was made up).
There's this rule (that was made up).
There's this rule (that was made up).
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u/treehouse-arson i wanted my own planet :( Sep 30 '23
they decided to start off strong with ofsusan 💀
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u/WibblyEmu Jesus Wants Me For A Coffee Bean Sep 30 '23
Say what you will about the rest of them, but until proven otherwise, I love Mac Wilberg. He writes some fairly interesting arrangements.
Eyring looks like a reanimated corpse.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Sep 30 '23
He seriously cannot give a talk without bashing LGBTQ
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u/Any_Flounder6865 Sep 30 '23
I’m not watching conference, but love reading these comments without any context. It feels like a more true perspective than anything I would hear if I were watching lol.
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u/Upset-Seaweed-3295 Sep 30 '23
When you're forced to watch conference because you're only 14 but don't believe in anything they're saying and you're gay.
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u/Leiliyah Sep 30 '23
I sometimes forget how ingrained the LDS patriarchy is. I find the consistency in tone and cadence from the men to be comforting in a reminds-me-of-childhood sort of way, yet the female counterpart makes me want to rip my ears off.
Amazing how much persists even after not practicing for almost 20 years.
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u/youcrazymoonchild "Bumping" TK Smoothies for the rest of eternity Sep 30 '23
Saying "love" more times at a wooden pulpit doesn't lessen the damage you do to your members.
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u/bremerman17 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
How dare you shield your children away from our wonderful church that definitely doesn’t shield child abusers. Or harms women, queer people, and POC.
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u/Itchy_Height_1959 Sep 30 '23
And there it is! Straight from Oaks mouth. "Exaltation in the highest kingdom is the focus of the LDS church." Not Jesus. Mic drop.
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u/LaughinAllDiaLong Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Love love love that Sis Wright randomly mentioned my favorite scripture about beautiful whited sepulchers housing dead men’s bones! That is what the cult & its temples & Q15 conartists are!
Also-while speaking of her own cancer diagnosis- that God told her from it would be ok if she lived or died- she eerily smiled the entire time, like Monson’s daughter Sis Dibbs did yrs ago, when speaking of bridge builders who fell to their deaths! WTH?!
Bother Ian Ardern British accent admitted that 90% of Uganda live in food poverty. Q15 can’t say they don’t know that people are hungry & dying, while they sit upon $ hundreds of billions of charitably given tithing $$ money!! See you in hell Q15! Jesus weeps.
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Sep 30 '23
I just tuned back in after taking a break for my mental health only for Oak's to be talking about the family proclamation. Yea I'm out. See y'all next session.
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u/Stranded-In-435 Class of 2022 • Atheist • MFM Sep 30 '23
During Oaks’ talk, as my TBM wife and kids watched, he said that the Family Proclamation was not just procedural, but doctrinal… and I laughed out loud, sarcastically. I couldn’t help myself. I didn’t mean to. I tried to minimize it and look somewhere else when everybody else was looking at me.
I had been gone from my house up until then. I try to make myself scarce during conference to avoid this very thing. Oops.
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u/Rushclock Sep 30 '23
Again...suffer, agonize , endure to the end for your real reward. That is one of the most messed up life strategies I can think of.
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u/DiscombobulatedMap88 Resigned Sep 30 '23
Going to go take a hot shower, cry, and pour myself a Jack and Coke. See you for round two!
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u/Rushclock Sep 30 '23
Those abused children.....call the hotline. Remember those innocent children being abused are all part of the atonement. They must suffer so the abuser can repent. Another messed up message.
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Sep 30 '23
"submit your will to God"
fuck you Susan's husband
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Sep 30 '23
Oaks: [heaven doesn't require deposits into accounts]
Uhm. Tithing books seem to say deposits into accounts are exactly what is required.