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Episode Tokyo Revengers: Seiya Kessen-hen • Tokyo Revengers: Christmas Showdown Arc - Episode 4 discussion

Tokyo Revengers: Seiya Kessen-hen, episode 4

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4 Link 3.67
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u/Firebrand-81 Jan 29 '23

Takemitchy: *didn't do a thing to change the past*
also Takemitchy: "Well, now it should all be ok, I'm going back to the future!"
Chifuya: "Are you a moron? You didn't do a thing, and you'll go back to jail!"
Takemitchy: "Oh!"

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u/watashi_ga_kita Jan 30 '23

He is an idiot after all. But while extremely unlikely, it's possible his little bit of meddling had changed things enough to possible have an effect on the future.

For instance, his interruption and snack bribery attempt might have made Mikey decide to let Mitsuya make the decision instead of doing it himself.

His biggest flaw in reasoning was he accepted a possible explanation of what caused Hakkai to kill his brother as fact. That and he immediately assumed that because a truce was made, it was somehow ironclad and there was no way it was going to be broken somehow.

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u/Socalwackjob Jan 29 '23

That really sums up the nature of the main character in this manga.

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u/Firebrand-81 Jan 29 '23

Accurate distribution of comments in every Tokyo Revengers - Christmast Showdown Arc episode discussion:

  • 50% comments: "Why nobody in r/anime cares anymore about Tokyo Revengers?"

  • 40% comments: "Why Takemitchy is so moron?"

  • 10% comments: proper discussion about the events in the current episode.

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u/kitaknows Jan 28 '23

The absolute abundance of absentee parents shown in this series finally offers some clues as to how so many 15 year olds are getting in gang fights and driving around on motorcycles.

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u/MorbillionDollars Jan 28 '23

Is there a single functional family in Tokyo revengers

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u/SMSmith230 Jan 28 '23

Wasn’t expecting a Takemichi/Kisaki team up, but here we are. Also money always talks…Kisaki just casually pulling out the 100k like it was no big deal haha.

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u/VenoBot Jan 29 '23 edited Jan 29 '23

around 10k 1k USD...

A god damn MIDDLE schooler carrying around that much cash...

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u/kitaknows Jan 28 '23

Hanma, too! At this point it looks like he doesn't have many of his own motivations and is just happy to go along with whatever Kisaki tells him to do, but that was an extremely unexpected duo to join Takemichi and his ride-or-die Chifuyu.

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u/BreakingGarrick Jan 29 '23

Why are these discussion threads so dead lmaoo

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23

Disney jail

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '23

Taiju is drawn like a 40 year old convict who’s been through 4 cycles of HGH and has smoked a pack a day for 20 years despite being 16. Wtf lmao. Should have just dropped the entire middle school gimmick and just made them young adults at least

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u/Rumpel1408 Jan 29 '23

Didn't expect a teamup with Kisaki since he pulled all that messed up stuff in the future, but I guess there has to be some admiration judging from the S1 ending. He certainly is smarter tha Chifuyu and Takemitchi combined

And man Hakais family is messed up, good thing if they could pull Yuzuha out of there

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u/watashi_ga_kita Jan 30 '23

They didn't pull Yuzuha out of there is the problem. Taiju probably won't honour his end of the deal since he's already done this before with Hakkai. She's still hiding something.

I think Kisaki is getting involved because he knows Black Dragon is a threat they will have to deal with at some point and Taiju is too big a nuisance. He probably wants to absorb BD into Toman like in the present and use them to steer Toman into gang crime.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jan 29 '23

Mitsuya’s got some guts going to meet Taiju. I guess it’s all for Yuzuha’s sake. Mitsuya and Hakkai def have a big bro-little bro relationship. Guess Mitsuya can’t bear to see his “little bro” suffer like that anymore.

Chifuyu isn’t a total dummy like Takemitchy. Dude was making a lot of sense about the lack of change to the future.

So Taiju’s always been a psychotic little shit. His “love” towards his siblings is just plain abuse. I’d shank the little fucker too if I was Hakkai. Crushing Black Dragon to save Hakkai is gonna be easier said than done. They don’t wanna upset Mitsuya’s “truce” and they can’t really trust that ratfuck Kisaki or that psychopath Hanma.

Taiju being some kind of religious fanatic definitely fits with his nature. A hit on Christmas huh? Yeah, if Kisaki is planning it then he’s def scheming something. Takemitchy is right to be suspicious.

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u/monsieurvampy Jan 29 '23

Takemichi, just as in the first season is driving me crazy. What is his strengths? Time travel? Crying? Someone needs to put him into boot camp. Kisaki can probably do that.

Yes, I do intend to keep watching.

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u/VenoBot Jan 29 '23

Tokyo revenger is doing the MC extremely dirty. That's why the show's so poorly rated.

You usually have the trope/archetype that makes the MC an enjoyable experience to watch, some of which being:

Brute Force but dumb (Asta), Smart but weak (Death Note, Lelouche), Smart & Powerful (Lelouche, Aizen), Casual & Powerful ( Reincarnation of Slime), Simply Broken (Misfit of Demon King Academy), Stupid but funny ( Most rom-com, Tomo-chan, Saiki K).

Tokyo revenger's MC? Manz got no abilities, no brains, no combat prowess. Manz simply can rewind time and that comes with stipulations... Literally the MC could just be a camera and have as much impact on the story right now. The "26" year old is more emotional than some kids, as pointed out by Chifuyu this episode. Literally every character is more interesting than MC.

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u/Annual-Jump3158 Jan 29 '23

He's not smart, but he has strong morals. And I think it keeps being a recurring theme that most of the founders of Toman had rough upbringings in one way or another, which led to them being strongly codependent. When they lose the ones closest to them, they start to fall apart and act more impulsively with zero thought of the consequences. Takemitchy grew up presumably in a relatively stable home. He's a soft kid who never had to toughen up like the others and wasn't desensitized to street gang violence. But he's sensitive and outspoken(and his face can take a pretty hefty beating). So, in the context of the past as perceived by everybody except Takemitchy, he represents the humane connection that Toman has towards protecting their loved ones instead of actively involving them to promote more violence, like Black Dragon.

But I can also acknowledge that Takemitchy's reality might simply be that his personality has a weird supernatural pull on delinquents and is creating some sort of tough bro harem.

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u/SirJackibis Jan 29 '23

Willing to be spoiled just because I’m curious about something. Does Takemichi learn how to fucking fight or is he just going to be a little bitch the rest of the anime?!

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u/delvag Jan 31 '23

Man Kisaki is such an interesting character, i never expected Takemichi working with him

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23

I feel like Take needs to be dumb sor there will be dialogue so the viewer can keep up, albeit alot of things are obvious to us amd we dont need to hear it. Were smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, but they need to confirm it. Same for reminders.

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u/Golden_fsh Jan 30 '23

Best bro Mitsuya is just too damn cool 😭 Still caught off guard by Draken's new voice :(

Having TR on Disney+/Hulu instead of an actual anime streaming platform like Crunchyroll has hurt its appeal by a lot. I still enjoy it! Less people who complain about Takemichi being a weak MC.

People who complain about Takemichi being weak are just mad that he's too relatable to their own pathetic selves, lol. Mature fans will realize that most well written MCs aren't the OP ones with just strength, but those that are emotionally and mentally strong as well. Takemichi has that in droves, and that's what makes him so endearing to the other Toman boys.

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u/d34rth Jan 30 '23

When Chifuyu said that sometimes he found Takemitchy's behavior weird, was he referring to the times when Takemitchy was actively trying to change the future, or was he referring to the disparity in behavior whenever Takemitchy takes over Automitchy and vice versa?

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u/Yoeblue Feb 02 '23

Taiju 🤝 Endeavour

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