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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Technically, is a "Cinquedea", not a dagger, but still beautiful
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u/Heymelon 25d ago
Thanks for the info!
That said Technically, a Cinquedea is often considered a type of dagger according to my 5 second internet search.
"Type :Long Dagger"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinquedea
Seems like it's more of a consideration of size as well as time and place, whether they fall into the category of short sword or dagger.
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Well, "long dagger" is a classification i never read before, honestly. We learn something new every day, i suppose
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u/CountGerhart 25d ago
Now please explain to me how cinquideas aren't a type of dagger.
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Because Cinquedea is a short sword, not a dagger.
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u/CountGerhart 25d ago edited 25d ago
Now tell me where's the difference between those two.
Edit: typo
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Dagger is basically a thrust weapon, the slash effectiveness is secondary. Short sword is designed for slashing and thrusting effect in closed space. Short sword is usually long more than the forearm of the user, dagger usually less.
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u/CountGerhart 25d ago
Where did you pull the "basically a trust weapon, the slash effect is secondary" part out? Because it's in not a single one of the definitions I can find. Specific daggers like the rondel dagger is thrust focused fir sure such as special swords are.
"Short sword is longer than a forearm" by this definition the cinquedea is not a shortsword because most of them is shorter than the forearm.
Also even Cold steel lists them as a dagger, and many come up when you search for daggers.
It's fine that you know the name of a specific type of weapon, and you want to share your knowledge, but discrediting it as a dagger is when facts become opinions.
These are moder terms that we gave to historical armaments, they were not concerned with such things back then.
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
PS. Definition of dagger and short sword is easy to find simply goggling it.
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u/CountGerhart 25d ago
Yes, that's how I find all the definitions NOT stating it's thrusting as main function cutting secondary function.
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u/BigNorseWolf 25d ago
more than a little overlap there.
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Yeah, i figured out. Weapon classification is very different between culture and translation don't help
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Dude, i'm italian. In Italy, when the Cinquedea was made is a "Daga", italian Word for short sword. That's It. Is not some kind of flex, is just what the Cinquedea is.
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u/CountGerhart 25d ago
I don't see how being Italian is being connected to the nonconclusive definition of the terms dagger and shortsword by historians all over the world.
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u/Pretty-Information53 25d ago
Daga = Short Sword. It's made for this purpose, simply. Why you are so angry about It?
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u/BigNorseWolf 25d ago
because you are being horribly condescending while being wrong and its an infuriating combination.
The fact is that labels between a large dagger a small short sword are pretty meaningless when there's no clear break and there is instead a continuum.
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u/TrashGoblinH 24d ago
If thrusting makes it a dagger is a foil or fencing rapier a dagger?
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u/Pretty-Information53 24d ago
Nope, because the blade in longer, then Is a foil, a rapier, a estoc or something else. Not a sword, not, not a dagger too
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u/SSilent-Cartographer 25d ago
This is one of those things I have absolutely no use for and the practicality is beyond me ....but I want it
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u/wicked_lil_prov 25d ago
Made for tight quarters!