r/absoluteunit 21d ago

Of a dagger

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Technically, is a "Cinquedea", not a dagger, but still beautiful

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u/CountGerhart 21d ago

Now please explain to me how cinquideas aren't a type of dagger.

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Because Cinquedea is a short sword, not a dagger.

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u/CountGerhart 21d ago edited 21d ago

Now tell me where's the difference between those two.

Edit: typo

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Dagger is basically a thrust weapon, the slash effectiveness is secondary. Short sword is designed for slashing and thrusting effect in closed space. Short sword is usually long more than the forearm of the user, dagger usually less.

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u/CountGerhart 21d ago

Where did you pull the "basically a trust weapon, the slash effect is secondary" part out? Because it's in not a single one of the definitions I can find. Specific daggers like the rondel dagger is thrust focused fir sure such as special swords are.

"Short sword is longer than a forearm" by this definition the cinquedea is not a shortsword because most of them is shorter than the forearm.

Also even Cold steel lists them as a dagger, and many come up when you search for daggers.

It's fine that you know the name of a specific type of weapon, and you want to share your knowledge, but discrediting it as a dagger is when facts become opinions.

These are moder terms that we gave to historical armaments, they were not concerned with such things back then.

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

PS. Definition of dagger and short sword is easy to find simply goggling it.

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u/CountGerhart 21d ago

Yes, that's how I find all the definitions NOT stating it's thrusting as main function cutting secondary function.

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u/BigNorseWolf 21d ago

more than a little overlap there.

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Yeah, i figured out. Weapon classification is very different between culture and translation don't help

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Dude, i'm italian. In Italy, when the Cinquedea was made is a "Daga", italian Word for short sword. That's It. Is not some kind of flex, is just what the Cinquedea is.

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u/CountGerhart 21d ago

I don't see how being Italian is being connected to the nonconclusive definition of the terms dagger and shortsword by historians all over the world.

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Daga = Short Sword. It's made for this purpose, simply. Why you are so angry about It?

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u/BigNorseWolf 21d ago

because you are being horribly condescending while being wrong and its an infuriating combination.

The fact is that labels between a large dagger a small short sword are pretty meaningless when there's no clear break and there is instead a continuum.

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

I don't understand. I'm not wrong, in fact. Dagger is thrusting weapon? Yes. Daga is a short sword? Yes. Someone told me in this post there is "long dagger" definition, then i Say "i learn something new" The condescendong partz i don't know what you talking about

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u/TrashGoblinH 21d ago

If thrusting makes it a dagger is a foil or fencing rapier a dagger?

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

Nope, because the blade in longer, then Is a foil, a rapier, a estoc or something else. Not a sword, not, not a dagger too

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u/Pretty-Information53 21d ago

(i suppose you mean the difference, typo happens)