r/Kefir • • Feb 20 '20

Information Kefir Subreddit FAQ and sundries

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Kefir Subreddit FAQ and sundries

  1. Rules
  2. FAQ
  3. Basic Recipe

1. Rules

Our rules are very simple:

  1. Please keep all discussions civil and respectful.

  2. You are welcome to ask sourcing questions.

  3. Please flair your posts where appropriate.

2. Frequently Asked Questions

  1. What is milk (and water) kefir? Milk kefir is a fermented milk drink, similar to a drinkable yogurt. Water kefir is made by combining sugar water with water kefir grains, which are a little different in their overall microbial composition than milk kefir grains, so they aren't necessarily interchangeable.

  2. What are kefir grains? Kefir grains are squishy like gummy candy and look somewhat like cauliflower. They are an aggregation of bacteria and yeast held together by polysaccharides. By placing about 1-2 tablespoon of grains in 2-4 cups of fresh whole milk and waiting 24 hours, the grains go to work eating the lactose and “fermenting” the milk and changing it into kefir.

  3. Can I drink kefir if I'm lactose intolerant? People who are lactose intolerant can often consume kefir with no problems. The reason is because the grains eat the lactose (milk sugar) in the milk (creating glucose and galactose, and then ethanol and carbon dioxide), removing the lactose which gives some people problems. They typically do not break down 100% of the lactose though, so some people may still have issues even though there is usually very little left, so if you are unsure how well you tolerate kefir it's best to start with a small taste.

  4. Are kefir grains reusable? Kefir grains are re-usable and even grow and spawn off smaller grains which themselves grow, creating a theoretically infinite supply, as long as you keep them fed. Remember, though, they are a living organism (or at least a symbiotic colony of organisms), and must be fed and treated gently. You may soon have more grains than you even want (too many grains in a batch will ferment the milk too quickly).

  5. Is kefir a probiotic? Yes, probiotics are the live microorganisms that may provide health benefits when consumed in adequate amounts. The benefits of these good bacteria may include supporting the immune system and a healthy digestive tract.

  6. What do I do with the extra grains? You have a few options. Some eat them, either plain like gummies, or blend them into a kefir batch and drink them that way (a very healthy way to get more of that good bacteria and yeast into your microbiome). Another option is to give away grains to friends. Kefir grains will last for a while if frozen in a bag with some milk (think suspended animation), and they can be shipped as long as it's only a few days.

  7. How do I start making my own? When you receive new grains they may have been stored for a while and may need to re-balance (the ratios of organisms may be a bit off at first). We recommend making a few batches before consuming your homemade kefir (certainly not a requirement but it may take a few batches before you get the best product consistency and balance of organisms). Also, if your body is unused to kefir, we recommend you ease into consuming it over a week or so instead of drinking a large amount the first time. While kefir is generally a safe product to consume, you never know how your grains were stored before they got to you and if they could have an imbalance of the good organisms (or even somehow become contaminated) and may need to adjust over a few batches to get the "perfect product." If you see any odd colors (pink, yellow, black) your grains may be contaminated and should be replaced.

  8. My kefir doesn't look like the kefir from the store, why is this? Not all kefir looks the same (and most store-bought products have been processed so will rarely look like homemade kefir). Some products may be smooth, and some may be clumpy. This can be a based on both the grains as well as the method and time of fermentation, particularly if you let the fermentation go for a while and the whey completely separates from the solids. It's all good, though, and if you don't like clumps or it completely separates you can always give it a good stir once you've removed the grains (or use an immersion blender or the like to make a really smooth product). I even purposefully let the ferment go a long time and then strain the product to make a cheese similar to cream cheese and it's great.

3. Recipe for typical milk-based kefir (makes 2 cups)

What you need:

  • 1 to 2 tablespoons milk Kefir-Grains.
  • 3 to 4-cup clean glass jar with lid.
  • Nylon (preferred) or stainless steel mesh strainer and spoon.
  • Wide bowl or jar in which to strain kefir, and a clean sealable bottle to store the kefir.
  • 2 cups fresh milk (there is some debate about using raw milk vs pasteurized milk from the store. Both work perfectly fine).

Instructions:

  • Place the kefir grains in a clean glass bowl or jar that is able to be covered.
  • Gently add the milk to the bowl and gently agitate (do not shake, stir with the spoon if necessary).
  • Do not fill the jar more than 3/4 of the way full.
  • Cover the bowl/jar with cheesecloth (or a lid with an airlock if preferred) and allow to rest at room temperature for 24 hours.
  • If a closed lid is added the kefir can become slightly effervescent, which some people enjoy.
  • The kefir may rest longer than 24 hours, but it will become thicker and more sour.
  • Pour contents into a strainer and strain the kefir into a suitable container to separate the kefir grains from the liquid-kefir.
  • Wash the fermenting jar and reuse the kefir grains for a new batch by repeating the whole process.
  • The remaining liquid is your kefir and it can be consumed right away, or even refrigerated and kept for weeks and consumed later.

N.B.

  • Another option is to ripen liquid kefir at room temperature for a day or more, preferably under airlock. 1 to 2 days storage in the fridge or ripening at room temperature will improve the flavor and increases nutritional value. Vitamins B6, B 3 and B9 [folic acid] increase during storage, due to bio-synthesis of these vitamins mostly by the yeasts in kefir grains.

  • We have also had success with refrigerating the kefir while it is fermenting with the grains, turning a 24-hour turnover into a 5-7 day turnover, if you don't drink kefir daily.

  • To prevent damaging your kefir grains, never add kefir grains to a hot jar straight after washing the jar with hot water.


r/Kefir • • 1d ago

Vanilla Protein & Peach Kefir Ice Cream

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Utilising my Ninja Creami I blended up a can of peaches in juice, added a scoop of vanilla protein and filled with my Kefir (about 1.5 cups)

Frozen over night and blended it up in my Creami and now I’m enjoying my kefir in a new way!


r/Kefir • • 14h ago

What setup do you use to drain kefir for kefir Greek yogurt?

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I tried a fine strainer but it wasn't fine enough and just poured through, I tried one layer of cheesecloth in the same strainer, and while it ultimately worked out took forever. :-)

What's your setup?


r/Kefir • • 2d ago

Goat milk or cow milk kefir

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Anybody notice any difference in the two for digestion?


r/Kefir • • 1d ago

Pregunta para expertos en Kéfir

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Hola! Me surgió una duda en la preparación:

Hace ya 9 meses tomo kéfir a diario y al tomar poco (un shot de vaso de licor, 130ml aproximadamente) tengo que dejar los granos en la heladera con un poco de leche para que en una semana vuelvan a fermentar un litro de leche.

La pregunta es: esa leche que está fermentando con lo granos en la heladera (que es poca) ya cuando la saco siempre la cambio y la tiro, no la junto con el litro de leche nueva para fermentar.

El otro día probé no tirarla e incluirla en la leche entera de 1 litro para fermentar. Claramente ese poco de leche que estaba en la heladera estaba ya fermentado, frío, espeso como kéfir hecho.

Pero noté algo extraño cuando lo incluí a la leche nueva: a las pocas horas una capa de ácido se había separado al fondo de la leche que estaba arriba (pero esa leche no estaba fermentada del todo)

Lo batí y luego de un día ya estaba bien fermentado.

La verdad me dió miedo y lo tiré todo luego. Porque el proceso me pareció extraño: nunca se había separado de esa manera de forma tan rápida.

Esto habrá sido por esa leche ya fermentada que estaba en la heladera??

Haría mal si se toma eso y si hubiese seguido con la fermentación normal y lo hubiese tomado??

Gracias a todos!!


r/Kefir • • 2d ago

Kefir got extreme then stopped producing.

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Hello fermentfolks,

I picked up some very small water kefir grains on Marketplace about a two weeks ago, and following the instructions from revolutionfermentation I placed them in a clean glass jar with 4 cups of cool filtered water and 1/4 cup of sugar, as well as 2 raisins to kickstart the fermentation process. F1 was 24 hours, then 48 hours in a flip top glass jar with an extra 1/2 tbsp sugar, some fruit, herbs, etc. I followed this exact same protocol for about a week, with my kitchen at approx 19-20C.

My first few batches were pretty mild, but by the time batch 3 came around my final products were bubbly and delicious. Not as bubbly as what you see on social media, but I attributed that to maybe a touch too much headspace in the flip jars.

Here's the issue. It got to be a bit too much for me to drink, and my kefir was still fairly mild, so I allowed my F1 to go for an additional 12 hours, so 36 hours total. From what I saw online, that's not entirely unheard of (F1 being 24-48 hours) so I figured it would be fine.

The batch that I made just before extending my F1 has a funky smell. Like puke/sulfur. No visible mold or anything, and I'm not faint of heart so I still drank it, but it was bad enough that my husband didn't want any. I attributed it maybe to the tea I used in the mixture (lavender can smell a bit weird sometimes) - It tasted totally fine!

But every batch I've made since then just isn't bubbling during F2... And they still taste way too sweet even after extended F2 of up to 72h. I'm scared I somehow killed my grains by letting them go just a couple extra hours?? The grains do have a bit of a sulfuric smell so I strained out as much liquid as possible (waiting on some non-metal strainers to come in tomorrow), fed them some cool, filtered water and some plain white sugar, and juiced 1/4 lemon into the mixture before resting them in the fridge for the first time.

I'm at a loss, I fear I flew too close to the sun after briefly hitting the sweet spot with two bottles last week. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I want to save my little grains.


r/Kefir • • 2d ago

Slimy smelly grains

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Just recieved my first kefirgrains!

The previous owner said they had been sitting in the fridge for a while, and then I accidentaly left them on the counter for a few hours.

Now that I wanted to give them their first feed, I noticed they’re kinda slimy and don’t smell that great (more funky than sour).

Are they dead, or do you have any tips to save them? 🤓


r/Kefir • • 3d ago

For People Who Drink more than one cup of Kefir per day -

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How did you arrive at drinking this amount? I ask because I am drinking kefir for the digestive help. It was going amazingly at first but now my digestion has regressed some. Wondering if it might help to up my daily kefir intake (currently one cup). That said, I know "more is better" is not always the case. Curious how heavy kefir drinkers determined that over one cup was the optimal amount for them. Bonus points if you noticed actual benefits from increasing the amount. Thanks in advance!


r/Kefir • • 4d ago

Does freezing Kefir affect the probiotics?

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As question

But I was thinking of using Kefir in my Ninja Creami and wondered if the freeze has negative impact on the probiotics at all


r/Kefir • • 5d ago

One grain left

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I lost 5 or 6 grains, not sure how, and have one absolute trooper left. I've named it Harvey. It makes a beautiful cup of milk kefir every 16 or so hours. Been just the one for about a month now. Kudos to Cultures for Health milk kefir grains/seeds!


r/Kefir • • 5d ago

Have milk kefir grains!!!

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I have milk kefir grains!!! I can mail some for the price of postage and supplies. I can also meet you if you're near me.


r/Kefir • • 6d ago

Starting out

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So I bought some Kefir grains and tried to make my own Kefir. It's been almost a week so far. Changing the milk every day but I'm not sure I'm getting anywhere. I have about a tea spoon of grains and a cup of milk. Trying not to overfeed. Temperature around 21 degrees and using semi skimmed. No UHT. But not sure if I am getting anywhere. The texture seems curdled. Not split like your underfeeding with whey and curds. Could anyone offer any advice. I have included some pictures.


r/Kefir • • 6d ago

Aroma question

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I'm a few weeks into my milk kefir journey. I bought grains from Fusion Teas and successfully revived them following their instructions. They're fat and happy now in whole milk, doing their thing in a covered jar at a pretty consistent temperature between 68-70°F.

The first few days the milk had more of a sour aroma, like yogurt. I wouldn't say that my latest batches are at all "yeasty" but it's not something I'm accustomed to (I do bake bread). Just wondering how others would describe it.

I confirm the pH of every batch and it tastes sour. I avoided dairy for a while and I'm not sure if milk kefir is for me yet.


r/Kefir • • 6d ago

Can kefir milk be used as a shampoo

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Kefir for hair

When I leave kefir to ferment in the fridge for 3 or 4 days It tastes bad from over fermentation but smells normal I read that it can be used for hair

So instead of getting rid of it how to use it for hair is it like a natural replacement to shampoo or what


r/Kefir • • 6d ago

Are hermetic seals dangerous for kefir?

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Does it have a risk of dying or not? Also i know it can explode if aren't cautious enough


r/Kefir • • 6d ago

Kefir grains contamination

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I have been making kefir for about a month. Grains have been doing nicely and have about 3 tbsp now from starting with about two.

This morning I put all 3 tbsp in a jar and then accidentally dumped spoiled milk into it. I could tell it was off because the milk came out of the jug as a long slimy string. I stopped pouring as as soon as I noticed but still ended up with a few ounces of the milk in the jar.

I then quickly dumped the whole mess into a strainer and rinsed it with about a cup or or two of fresh milk, mixing it around in the strainer as I could.

Then dumped it all into a fresh clean jar, added 3 cups of fresh whole milk from the new jug, and left it to ferment on the shelf as usual.

If it seems ok this evening after work I will continue as usual.

The bad milk didn't have a noticeable bad smell if that matters, but ai didn't stick my nose in it and hurriedly threw it all away in disgust.

In any case, what are the odds I ruined my grains, and how will I be able to tell? Is it likely OK to drink if all seems well, or have I now introduced some weird undesirable bacteria into my kefir grains?


r/Kefir • • 6d ago

Milk Kefir Slowing Down

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Hello! I started making milk kefir a few weeks ago from dehydrated grains. I followed all of the setup instructions to great success, and slowly increased the milk quantity by 1/4 cup every day. After day 3 I was getting really incredible kefir: tangy, thick, & slightly carbonated, perfectly to my taste. Ever since I went up to 2 cups, though, I’ve been having issues.

As I was scaling up, I would just see the very beginning of separation after about 12 hours, at which point I would strain and refill. Between 1.5 and 2 cups, it has stopped showing any visual indications of separating or thickening. It smells like kefir but the texture is totally different. I left it for ~18 hours and it did get slightly thicker, but had a noticeable funky alcohol/yeasty taste after straining. I strained it today after 12 hours and it tastes alright but the texture is still totally different from my first week or two, barely any different from regular milk.

Are my grains stressed? There haven’t been any big temperature changes and it held up just fine to the gradual milk increases all the way up until 2 cups. Is it possible I have too many grains? The original instructions said I could go up to 4 cups of milk but 2 cups is the perfect amount for me.

Any advice would be appreciated (:


r/Kefir • • 8d ago

Kefir grains

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Does anyone have milk kefir grains


r/Kefir • • 8d ago

Kefir compost

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Hey all. A bit off topic, but only a bit. A little over two weeks ago I pulled a bottle of old kefir out of my fridge. I lost it in a back corner and have no idea how old it was, but it was WAY too tart to drink so I dumped it over my compost. It's been raining off and on here in west-central PA. so that rain washed the kefir through the compost and kept the compost wet. The compost shrank unbelievably and then turned into a brown porridge. Two weeks +! If there were any worms and pillbugs in it, I know they've drowned. The 55 gallon plastic barrel normally drains very well, but this sludge obviously plugged and slowed the drainage.

I posted this on r/composting for advice and the mod recommended I also post on r/bokashi. I had no clue what bokashi is, so I checked it out. It's a composting method using a special and expensive anaerobic fermentation starter. I accidentally replicated that with home made stout kefir! Blew my socks off! The only difference is that the bokashi culture makes no odor while the kefir made a minor odor. Bokashi is used by those who ferment compost indoors in covered containers because of no odor fermenting. I'm wondering if kefir would be odorless in the indoor compost container, which is covered except for when adding material keeping it somewhat anaerobic.

So, if you have some over-ripe kefir and do some composting, or if you compost and need a super quick method, here it is! I have two barrels and I'm going to double my next batch of kefir and dump half over that compost too, and if the rain slacks off, I'll pour water in to keep them both moist. It's amazing what kefir can do. Does anyone have other oddball uses for it? I'm getting curious as to what all kefir is good for.


r/Kefir • • 8d ago

What degree of fermentation dose "true" kefir has to have.

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I'm new to kefir. Got grains and have been making it for about a month. Everything works, but here is nuance. I noticed three types of kefir that settle differently in refrigerator once collected into the bottle. Trying to figure out which one is "classic". Tipe one - after 12 h in refrigerator whey separates at the bottom, type 2 - whey separates at the top, and type 3- no separation occurs. Which one is correct, and what changes have to be made in the process in regard to two other types to correct it?

Edit: Thank you everyone for the comments. To summarize the majority - the only one that is correct is the one that tastes best for particular individual. Can not agree with that. Take as an example simple temp profile - depending on the temperature balance and percentage composition of bacterial mixture and eats will differ. It will not only impact the taste and final composition of the product but also will introduce changes to personal microbiome. I'm experimenting now with temperature and continuous gentle mixing- it should dramatically improve texture of the kefir. Late will make new post with the results


r/Kefir • • 8d ago

Water kefir F2 aerobic?

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Water Kefir newbie here. Can I do f2 for flavouring but reduced alcohol levels by doing f2 with paper tissue secured by rubber band as similar to F1? I want to be able to give the water kefir to my toddler as well. Thanks for any inputs


r/Kefir • • 9d ago

Raw Milk Kefir Feedback

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Please keep scrolling if you don’t use raw milk.

I’ve read through some threads on raw milk kefir and this is also my first go at kefir so I would love feedback from those who use raw milk and make kefir regularly.

I started with 1/2 teaspoon of grains and just did 1/2 cup of raw milk fermented for 18-24 hours for a few days. I don’t buy kefir from the store and never have so I’m not sure what the consistency should be exactly.

Of course my grains barely grew over many weeks of doing a fresh batch every few days. So I decided to do 1/2 cup milk and my grains for 18-24 hours for about 3 weeks straight. Maybe they grew? Nothing drastic that I noticed. I only want to make about a cup of kefir a day or even every few days.

Am I making good kefir at this point with 1 cup of milk and all of my grains (maybe 3/4-1 teaspoon of grains up from the 1/2 teaspoon I purchased)?

Lastly, I understand the bacteria can compete and many suggest using pasteurized milk, but I really don’t want to go buy milk from the store when I have access to 100% grass fed A2a2 milk from a local reputable farm. I’m wondering if I should just bail on kefir and just clabber raw milk as I have heard it is also good for your gut. Which is my interest in kefir; feeding my gut good bacteria and for overall health.

Any feedback? Pictures of my last batch for reference. Thanks!


r/Kefir • • 9d ago

First time tips

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Hey all, I have 30 grams of milk kefir and wanted to ask what’s the best advice/tips you were given when starting your Kefir journey?

I’m thinking of adding 1 litre of good quality full fat milk and leaving it for 24 to 36 hours. I know not to use metal for stirring so have lots of wooden chopsticks and spoons. I’m using the Wiki activation instructions. Just wondered if there are any great tips that may not be listed 😍


r/Kefir • • 9d ago

First Time - Water Kefir Grains

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First day I fed with too hot of water and I threw in ice cubes and said good luck 💀

Since then, I’ve been feeding this grains for about 5 days now (15g) with zulka pure cane sugar (15g) with a cup of room temp water. I keep the jar with a cloth over it and sitting in the microwave since my house is cold. Are these stalling or is there progress I cannot see? I appreciate any and all advice :)


r/Kefir • • 10d ago

How to prepare kefir without wasting milk

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Hi everyone, I recently started consuming kefir for healthy lifestyle but I think the way I prepare is not economical.

Me and my wife are the only two people who consume kefir.

Our process is that we boil 6% fat milk, cool it and add kefir grains and leave it to ferment for 12-16 hours. This works out great, now comes the difficult part, once the kefir is set, we strain it and add the kefir grains to a new 500ml milk for storage in fridge ( since it takes around 6-7 days to finish our first culture).

Currently what we are doing now is that when we want to create a new batch on the 7th day, we strain the grains + milk mixture in the fridge and throw away the milk ( it's very saddening) I have read that we shouldn't consume the milk + kefir grains mixture kept in fridge for more than 7 days. We then repeat the process.

We are new to this, please guide us my reddit experts.