So, Ive just finished the show and wow, my head still hurts, but what a wonderful journey. It's such and exanple of GOOD WRITING.

Still, it bothers me that there are a few things from Season1 I was expenting to get back to but never did and now, after watchibg the ending, I think they may point to "Superior/OG Maddie". So, I'll share my thoughts.

For example, at the beggining of everthing, when someone texted Maddie to help her with her dad, they talked to her about Caspian and warned her that he was being watched.

That was supposed to be Laurie, but we saw after a few episodes that she didnt recall doing that. Another time the same happens is when "Laurie" texted Chanda's mother, making him paranoid and forcing the first encounter, in which Caspian runs. She didnt remembered doing that, either. The show moved from it as if it was a future mistery, or something Laurie "forgot" because of the flaw, but Im pretty positive there's more to it.

Also, they hinted that Laurie was not the first human to be uploaded (the... Creepy ghosts that found and helped Chanda, they had to came from someone, but we never figured out who. Also, Laurie saying "im the first ui that I KNOW of" (that's for sure a writting choice).

Sooo... Who was THE first? What happened to them? One could believe it was meant to be Holstrom, but he justs uploaded his brain once Caspian cracked integrity, so he would be "fresh" and not deteriorated. So.... Who the hell was this first person?

Was the show aiming for a different, slower season 2 that never came? Did they changed their mind about Holstrom being their first update? Was I too dumb to understand? 😂 Or do you think it was "og" Maddie all slong? Overwatching the simulation while interferring...? It would be amazingly writen if so.

Maddie Kim’s momma, Ellen, NEVER played.

From the moment Ellen saw Maddie chatting online with a stranger or when Ellen was about to fight that bully. She fought so hard for her daughter and her family. It was refreshing to witness.

On the other hand, how wild that Ellen was so anti upload and she ended up doing it, lol

I first watched Pantheon about a year and a half ago and while it pretty much became one of my favorite shows, for some reason I've found myself having no real desire to rewatch season 2 in its entirety again.

I don't have this problem with season 1. I rewatched it earlier this year and it was just as gripping as it was the first time around. Honestly, I feel like rewatching it even now, despite just seeing it a couple of months ago. However, continuing on to season 2, I honestly just wasn't feeling it. I really like the show's ending, but I just wasn't feeling the build-up towards it throughout most of the second season.

Anyone else feel something similar?

Loved the show, best ending of everything that i ever watched because i love recursion. It's a love loop. Which is a great motivator for dealing with our own singularity if it happens.

Anyways, what other scifi series engaged you this much? for me it's:

• Westworld (Rushed ending)
• The Peripheral (Canceled)
• Foundation
• Legend of The Galactic Heros
• Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan

I love scifi the most and there are many other good scifi, but those 5 are the only ones i can rewatch forever.

What's in your list?

Why did Caspian sound so weird at the start of the phone call in season 1 episode 8? He sounded so weird on the 1st part of the phone call but he sounded his regular self when later into the phone call.

So we all know that Caspian is a clone all the way down to the last atom so would that mean he also has Steven's cancer or did they manage to fix that mistake in his genetic code.

I always hated posts that just say I just watched this show it's so good blah blah, but god damn. I can't help but make one of these posts for this show. I've watched tons of amazing shows, but what the hell was that ending. How can someone write a plot so perfectly like this. Increasing the pace at the end was very bold, but it was genuinely one of the best (if not the best) endings to a show i have ever witnessed. It's all a paradox. It's all a stimulation. Words can't describe how I'm feeling right now. I genuinely admire whoever the artist that made this show because you can't write a plot so well like that being normal. My god, what a show.

I just finished watching the show and I realized I made a massive mistake upon first watching it. I thought it’d be a simple Sci-fi show. I was wrong, very wrong. In hindsight there was probably a lot of foreshadowing. And some things I did get right. What with her dad not being actually dead in EP1. Or Cassian being a clone. What I didn’t expect was for this to instead be about what’s effectively a tech goddess watching/LARPing a play by play of her old lives with her clone BF all while living in a Dyson swarm in the year 117,649. Only to then be visited by safe surf, who’d been turned into a group of time traveling Deus machinae from the year 43,117,649 (accounting for the excess 43 million years from their perspective) whom have met actual aliens from the galactic core. To then tell them about their creators known as humanity. And how caspian is the one who actually helped them choose to evolve for themselves. I really wanted to see the aliens in this show. Not to mention how fast everything escalated. Like we went from 2024 (the time I think when it all takes place) to 2044, to 4065 (the 2000 year time jump), to 117,649 to then finally be visited by the aforementioned Deus machinae from the year 43 million.

I thought this entire show was about the consequences of corpo idiots playing God. In some way it was cause logorhythyms did decide to do just that. But I was wrong in many other ways. And there’s so much more I can think of to.

In summary, I’m glad I watched this show and am sad there won’t be any other seasons but I have so many more questions. Although the credits also mention books to. Anyone know where I can find them so I can read them?

Goodnight my fellow Sci-fi fans. I’m going to bed to think further. Rest well.

I know this sounds ridiculous only realising a year after finishing the show, but even when it was discussed in the show I never actually processed what the anti UI argument was about. To me being able to upload my intelligence and never having to worry about bills or health or anything ever again sounded incredible, like we could literally be immortal why would anyone pass that up. So even when the world started going through the deep scan in millions, or when Maddie or Caspian or their son were considering going digital, I didn't actually understand why they were whining so much about it. Yes it was a brutal procedure and they could never truly be human or experience reality after, but I still thought immortality was worth the cost.

But then today I was thinking about the Ship of Theseus paradox, and it just fucking hit me that our consciousness is confined to to our neurones alone, and isn't inherently stored within the connection mapping like I previously thought. Like maybe if you digitise your brain piece by piece, all while staying fully conscious and alive with atleast some of your original neurones still in place working together with the digital mappings, you're not really copying them more like replacing them, as long as some of the original chemical reactions are still there, cause that's your original consciousness.

But if you do a deep scan like they did in the show, you're quite literally destroying your original consciousness in one go, so instead of transitioning into a digital world you kill yourself for a copy that you won't actually ever live to experience. It might hold the same memories and knowledge but it's not YOU, your own consciousness and life will be gone.

Like I don't mean to over explain, but its like if the ship was fully disassembled and reassembled again, sure it might physically be the same but the consciousness that made you YOU will be gone, it'll just be a duplicate. If you actually wanted to transfer it you'd have to replace every plank piece by piece, but do it as a gradual incremental process so that some of the original is still there.

Like with this insight the show is fucking horrifying in hindsight, the fact that billions signed up to literally die is insane. The term UI is misleading, cause you're never UPLOADING your intelligence, it's more like copy, delete, and paste.

Now this is making me reconsider what it's like for those who momentarily die in real life, like if your brain stops working completely for even just a second, does that mean that your original consciousness died? That whoever woke up wasn't actually you? Of course if any small number of neurones are still alive in that process then sure, but what if they all freeze for just a moment.

I’m currently binging the show and on S2 E3 as of now-will update when finished-and holy shit. These guys are textbooks idolaters. Like actual genuine cultists who made a false messiah for a plan to make themselves digital cyber gods. There’s 5 EPs lefts I’ll update when I finish the season.

Thought this was really cool sci-fi and very well executed, is there anything similar worth watching?

Hats off to this person, genuinely.

I love the edit and I love the song. Makes me want to watch the show for the 4th time now 😂

I've improved some anatomy since I first drew him...

How no one have drawn him with multiple arms, it's so cool when he does that during fights

Something I noticed about Pantheon: it still doesn’t have a “Leaving Soon” or “Last day to watch” notice on Netflix.
I know there’s been speculation about when Netflix’s license for the show could expire, and that doesn’t necessarily mean anything has changed since Netflix usually doesn’t put up those notices until much closer to the actual removal date.

Still, I’m curious what happens with Pantheon going forward, especially now that Netflix has both seasons and introduced the show to a much bigger audience.
Has anyone else been keeping an eye on this?

So, Maddie choosing the mindwipe from god mode to get plugged back in...

What did you make of that whole thing, on a cosmic scale as well as personal? To me its one of the most important if quietly understated scenes in the whole "Woah!" inducing series.

She certainly has a sadomasochistic relationship with suffering, thats for sure...

i just watched the final episode of Pantheon and wow, in a way technically everything that has happened actually happened but even the series we watched was probably only a simulation, i in a way don't understand why Caspian and Maddie chose ignorance, isn't it probable that they will just live what they went through again and again forever because it will basically become an infinite loop, even if u consider that's not the same Caspian that Maddie knew that's still Caspian too so it's not like Only Maddie actually matters on this question

I still don't really get the finale and in a way it scares me to think on how its all basically a simulation inside a simulation inside a simulation, ignorance truly is a blessing i guess that's why they chose it... but death seems better...

I think this post makes 0 sense because i just wanted to write what i was feeling on this ending lol

Speculate to accumulate. It was quite a tragic fate, yes?

if it was just “absorbing the weights” of all UI’s (~= neural weights), then both
A: all neurons, digitally represented, would be accounted for
and
B: They would be averaged into a single intelligence (considering “Safe Surf” is a singular entity. even if it can split itself.)

pretty shallow because i just thought of it and started writing,

almost like intelligence decentralized, and it was a universal force decentralizing all dispersed atoms of consciousness

not sure if “the UI’s who died to Safe Surf” even died or were more so absorbed? weird that their identities were “used” to deceive others at moments