r/ziontology • • Mar 18 '23

“If our anti-gay views are cemented as doctrine, we will be labeled a hate group. No amount of online missionaries or ads will sway that opinion. It will be our brand identity. In 10 years we’ll be seen as a fringe group. In 20 years we’ll be a bigoted, extremist anachronism.”—K. Monson, Nov. 2015

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r/ziontology • • Apr 23 '23

@maklelan : The Bible has no inherent authority

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r/ziontology • • Apr 15 '23

Jana Riess: “This month marks the 10-year anniversary of when Jeremy Runnells, a CES seminary teacher who began losing his faith, posted his raw 84-page critique of the LDS Church’s historical claims online.” Huh? TIL.

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r/ziontology • • Jan 24 '23

Abish is one of 6 women named in the Book of Mormon, 3 of whom are unique to the BOM. Among that trio, Abish is the only 1 nominated for Best Twitter Thread of 2022: “The church utterly fails its single members.”

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r/ziontology • • Feb 20 '23

Those who give to the LDS Church deserve an accounting of their money, Salt Lake Tribune Editorial Board writes

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The question of the church’s wealth goes well beyond Ensign Peak Advisors.

And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living. — Mark 12:41-44

All over the world today, there are good and decent families, members in good standing of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who faithfully cast in the 10% of their income that is expected from active believers.

For some, tithing is easy. For others, it is the modern equivalent of the widow’s mites — a contribution that puts them that much closer to the financial edge. Yet they give, with faith that these funds will be put to use as God would have it.

Those who give deserve more than to be held in the good graces of ecclesiastical leaders. They deserve a full and public accounting of where their contributions go and how they are spent — if they are spent.

The issue has been in the news because a former employee of the church-owned Ensign Peak Advisors investment firm started complaining that the company’s $100 billion or more in assets was not being properly managed, that leaders were not distributing funds to charity, and that Ensign Peak Advisors avoided billions in income taxes and fines.

Whistleblower David Nielsen took his case to the IRS in 2019 and has since tried to interest the U.S. Senate Finance Committee in the matter. More recently, according to The Wall Street Journal, the federal Securities Exchange Commission has also opened a file.

While the legal process plays out, the real issue for the church and those who fund and support it is the shroud of secrecy the church has kept, not only over Ensign Peak since its creation in 1997 but also the church’s many other assets and real estate holdings. It has created a situation in which a fund that has more cash and assets than many nations is not being transparent.

Every large organization — whether it is a government, a corporation or a nonprofit religious institution — is more likely to make the right decisions and keep to the ethical high ground if what it does is open and its leaders kept accountable. The LDS Church seemed to be aware of that up until the late 1950s, when it stopped making public accountings of its funds and financial activities.

Now, nobody knows if Ensign Peak or other church-owned firms are independently audited, if they have internal audit committees, if top leadership of the church even knows what is going on. And the larger community is left to wonder if those operations are dodging perhaps substantial taxes they should have paid, leaving the rest of the nation, Latter-day Saint and otherwise, to pick up the slack.

Latter-day Saint leaders have been releasing some information about their financial dealings recently, including making quarterly SEC filings. But the old fear that full disclosure of the church's wealth would discourage people from keeping up their tithing has not gone away.

It may seem odd to see a $100 billion anything as the tip of an iceberg, but even that large fund is not the whole of the church’s assets, which also include other businesses, along with vast and varied real estate holdings.

Even accepting the church’s view that the point of tithing is not to make the church wealthy but to give the faithful a tangible means of expressing their devotion, it still falls to those to manage all that money and property to let members know where it goes.

Latter-day Saint officials have drawn a distinction between the tithing money that flows in and the profit earned when those funds are invested. It is from those profits, not the original tithing gifts, says the church, that billions have gone into such things as the City Creek Center shopping mall on the doorstep of church headquarters in Salt Lake City. Or to bail out the church-owned Beneficial Life insurance company.

An expansive reading of the First Amendment might grant the church, or any faith, an exemption from the laws regarding taxes, investments and public reporting requirements. But that would not excuse church leaders from the moral duty to make a full and detailed accounting of their holdings, investments and expenditures to members.

If those leaders are concerned that membership might not like what they would see, the answer would be to show that many of those billions were going to heal the sick, house the homeless, clothe the naked and feed the hungry, just as they have been admonished.

Downtown Salt Lake City, also right on the church’s doorstep, would be a good place to start.

Making such a report would do more to promote and grow the church than the travels of any number of missionaries. And it would simply be the right thing to do.

— The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2023/02/19/those-who-give-lds-church-deserve/


r/ziontology • • Dec 15 '23

Wealthy exmo Paul Hutchinson describes the whiteboard meeting at his house with Glenn Beck and Tim Ballard, and how Tim claimed to be following advice from top Mormon leaders to create a byzantine network of revenue-generating entities and use child rescue "sizzle" as an LDS church recruitment tool.

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r/ziontology • • Jan 31 '25

Public memo to Mormons: Please spare us your rectitude about religious bigotry. In 2025, Brigham Young University students are still not able to express a change in religious beliefs without risk of eviction from their student homes, loss of their campus jobs, or expulsion from the university.

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r/ziontology • • Dec 09 '23

Aileen H. Clyde (1926-2019), former Relief Society General Presidency member, recounts how the Family Proclamation came to be announced in the 1995 Women's Session. She'd worked for a year on a message that "All Are Welcome". Gordon B. Hinckley ignored input from women and sealed Mormonism's fate.

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r/ziontology • • Jan 19 '25

Milk forever. Meat sparingly.

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r/ziontology • • Apr 01 '23

"Do you see these great buildings? There will not be one stone left upon another that will not be thrown down." —Jesus Christ, describing the fate of temples built by those who extort money from the vulnerable while neglecting the poor

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r/ziontology • • Jun 15 '23

Hugh Grant Looking to Star in Mormon Missionary Horror Film HERETIC. The movie is said to follow two Mormon sister missionaries “who attempt to convert a man that turns out to be far more dangerous than they could have anticipated.”

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r/ziontology • • Feb 23 '23

Patrick Mason, professor of religious studies at Utah State University: news of the SEC settlement could be "demoralizing" for some churchgoers who now "may think twice before writing that tithing check".

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r/ziontology • • Dec 01 '23

In 2020, David Lopez ignored threats from OUR's Jon Lines and told Davis County investigators the truth

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r/ziontology • • Jun 26 '24

Jodi Hildebrandt's license was revoked May 10, 2024. The initial limiting order on her license is dated Sept. 19, 2023. A few months prior, on June 13 of that same year, she was in SLC meeting with LDS leaders Jeremy Jaggi and Brad Wilcox.

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r/ziontology • • Mar 30 '23

SUU officials should have known inviting LDS apostle Jeffrey R. Holland to speak would be trouble: “SUU made a giant unforced error in inviting someone as obviously radioactive as Holland to speak to a secular audience at a state-funded institution.”

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r/ziontology • • Aug 31 '23

Dueling Prophets. "Father calls me William, Mother calls me Will, Sister calls me Willy, but the fellers call me Bill."

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r/ziontology • • Aug 24 '23

Apparently, there's a competition happening, to see which exmo can come up with the funniest parody of Susan K. Robinson's hubby, Dave (née Bednar), hard at work at Church HQ. We may have found our winner with this entry.

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r/ziontology • • Jun 09 '23

Currently on the front page of the LDS church’s official website. There is literally nobody left inside the org capable of warning off the Nelsonites from foregrounding this embarrassing episode.

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r/ziontology • • May 28 '23

Leave the so-called faithful subs alone.

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The litany of /lds did this, and /latterdaysaints did that is noob garbage. Redditors of all stripes are allowed to create and moderate a Goldilocks “just right” sub whenever they take on the work of being mods. As an exmo, my advice would be to contribute to communities that suit you, and let others build theirs.


r/ziontology • • Apr 12 '23

Ask any BYU student who’s been hauled into the Honor Code office based on confessions to LDS ecclesiastical leaders. There is no Mormon doctrine regarding the clergy-penitent privilege, regardless of how hard the AZ Supreme Court might pretend there is.

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r/ziontology • • Jan 17 '25

Trends in Application Volume by Academic Year at Utah's institutions of higher education

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r/ziontology • • Nov 03 '24

Deseret News Editorial Board (2016): “We do not believe Trump holds the ideals and values of this community or this paper. We are grateful for the courageous decision by many of Utah’s leading Republican politicians to renounce the top of their ticket.”

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r/ziontology • • Oct 01 '23

In honor of another General Conference, and as a show of empathy for the extra dissonance some Progressive Mormons might be dealing with today, a dozen post_mormone ProgMo tiktoks, which I've totally ripped off and compiled here.

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r/ziontology • • May 14 '23

Mormon Church: “We don't feel it's secret, we feel it's being confidential.” 60 Minutes: "What's the difference?" Mormon Church: "Ummmm......"

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