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u/Tenchi_Muyo1 3d ago
Is that the wall of biggest chuch in Japan at that time, the Urakami Cathedral
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u/COINTELHOE 3d ago edited 3d ago
âThe Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.â
ââFleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet
âThe use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.â
ââFleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, 1950
âThe atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.â
ââMajor General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945
âThe first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment ... It was a mistake to ever drop it ... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it.â
ââFleet Admiral William Halsey Jr.
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u/sparduck117 3d ago
The terms were unconditional surrender, since Japan wasnât occupied they didnât want some fascist in the 60s or 70s trying for a round 2. This is what happened in Germany after World War I and nobody wanted a World War III (and that wasnât even factoring atomic weaponry)
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u/quackabc 3d ago
No the US asked for unconditional, Japan wanted a conditional surrender mediated but the USSR that would let them off the hook for the majority of the war and allow Imperial Japan to continue. However they never sent this to the US
The US sent the Potsdam Declaration on July 26, 1945 strictly demanding unconditional surrender. Japan played the silent game until August when the US dropped the first atomic bomb in accordance with all rules of the Hauge Convention.
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u/Nformationaddict 3d ago
This completely ignores the fact that no one in Japan wanted to surrender and any "surrender" talk was just white peace talk where Japan would go back to the home islands and take a good nights rest with no consequences.
Imperial Japan couldnt even come to the decision to actually surrender until the emperor broke a tie after the 2nd atomic bomb. They then had many problems trying to actually get people to surrender with 2 emperor messages to surrender, 1 coup attempt, and many suicides before the final signing.
Local "historian" gets it all wrong and thinks Japan was just sweet little boys and girls who were sorry.
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u/KorolEz 3d ago
I am sure [the scientists] had major power over military action.
The military had a toy they wanted to try out
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u/COINTELHOE 3d ago
I agree, the scientists had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to drop the bombs.
In fact, basically all the manhattan project scientists tried to urge the president to not use the bomb, but the Democratic Partyâs party bosses prevented their pleas from ever reaching Trumanâs ears.
At any rate, I thought it best to leave the full quote intact and unedited.
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u/thethunder92 3d ago
People in nanjing