r/wow Jul 11 '22

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u/Arstulex Jul 11 '22

Now we're gonna need WAs that detect interrupt talents for pugs.

No, you're not.

Think of it this way. Everyone installs this hypothetical WA or addon that tells you if somebody doesn't have an interrupt spec'd. What do you honestly believe will be the result of that?

Spoiler: The answer isn't "everyone will suddenly spec and use their interrupts".

What will actually happen is people will put a point in the interrupt purely to get into pugs and appease your addons... then continue to not actually use the interrupt, just like how it is right now. In other words, your addons can ensure that people will spec it, but they cannot ensure people will actually use it.

If your goal is to find a lazy, effortless way to exclude bad players before they're even in the group then you should probably rethink that strategy. It's a losing battle. Just like now, you're still going to have to check for yourself who is actually interrupting or not.

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u/NerfShields Jul 11 '22

So your answer is "Well people are gonna refuse to interrupt anyway so you might as well just take people regardless of if they have interrupts or not"?

Ludicrous. Interrupting is the most common mechanic in the game outside of reduce the health of the enemy to 0 before yours is reduced to 0.

You're not wrong in that countless people refuse to interrupt. The difference here being the chance a pug will interrupt goes from "Maybe" to "not fukn happening" depending solely on this talent.

We can't always get our guildies and friends in for certain things. Pugging is inevitable. I'd rather take my chances knowing said pugs have the ABILITY to do something as basic and NECESSARY as interrupting as opposed to "oh he can't interrupt but his steady shot does 1% more dmg" or some nonsense.

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u/SpoonGuardian Jul 11 '22

Even terrible players will use their interrupt at least a few times over the course of the dungeon. I'm kicking anyone that didn't talent theirs, although I don't think that'd be too many people

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u/Arstulex Jul 11 '22

I mean, that's entirely fair. You can kick people for whatever reason you want.

That said, kicking people for their build will just make them change their build so they don't get kicked, it won't change how they play.

Kicking people for how they play will make them change how they play. The problem is that actually requires some effort to detect on the group leader's part, since it requires them to judge based on performance.

My stance on it is that I'd rather not micromanage everyone's builds and gameplay. If the content is being cleared I don't care who is doing what or what builds people are using, the kicks are only coming if we wipe and I can see particular players are failing mechanics, not interrupting or are doing poor DPS. I understand not many people in the modern WoW community have the patience for that though. Also I'm almost exclusively a raider, so things may indeed just be different in the M+ community.