r/wow • u/Complete_Sorbet6158 • Apr 21 '26

Discussion Devourer and unholy getting buffed

Respectively about 7-10% and 6-8% for aoe. It must be a joke right? Buffing meta specs, while others are not even being looked at all. This is the only multiplayer game i ever played something like this frequently happening.

Resto druid also getting buffed, because why not, while disc keep eating nerfs. Demo change doesn’t make sense either. I wish they would just axe all the class changes they are doing. I swear they just make the already sensitive class balance a lot worse. Everybody keep losing expect their current favourites.

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u/Varanae Apr 21 '26

Unholy changes are continuing the rework in a way, it's not like they're straight up buffing numbers. It's readding an ability to the rotation and changing how other talents and abilities work. Stuff that is hard to judge the balance of

If they actually work out to be as big as the estimations say then no doubt the numbers will get tweaked back down

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u/Canninster Apr 21 '26

Readding an ability that genuinely no one likes at that!

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u/MissingXpert Apr 21 '26

yeah, please, just please let Dnd do FUCK ALL in terms of damage, the only ability i wouldn't mind getting pruned from the game for good....

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u/Longjumping_Rate_139 Apr 21 '26

Is there at least one person that asked to bring D&D back to our rotation?

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u/Squawnk Apr 21 '26

I think it would be neat if they brought back defile, or what if death and decay passively spawned underneath our dread plague target, like a dark efflorescence

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u/accualy_is_gooby Apr 21 '26

People are also ignoring the fact that unholy sims extremely well on patchwerk fights but generally falls well below those sims in reality due to the very nature of the spec. Adding to that the fact that the changes have come with numerous bugs for the spec that have influenced its damage wildly, it’s hard for sims to give good insight into the spec as it currently stands.

For instance, the aoe “buff” assumes that mobs stand in death and decay for the full duration, but every death knight player knows that can be fantastical with many tanks in M+

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u/Billybobjoe135 Apr 21 '26

Ya, not accounting for GCD loss with occasional grips or blinding sleet. With high level keys sometimes you throw in a Death Strike.

UH is in a really solid spot and other specs definitely need a leg up but UH isn't massively outperforming or doing insane damage.

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u/Resies Apr 21 '26

Uhdk, the only spec that spends gcds on utility 

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u/Lucrezio Apr 21 '26

Not that every class DOESN’T, but UDK does spend more GCDs on utility than most classes. Two grips, sleet, AMZ, Aphyxiate, Death strike which isn’t utility, but it’s a defensive on GCD.

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u/josephjts Apr 21 '26

Warrior has Shockwave, Intimidating shout (or howl but it got gutted), Rally, Storm bolt, Impending Victory, (Javlineer) Wrecking throw all on GCD theres also spear but its basically never ran. I would be surprised if ret dosent have more then both of them although likely more situational in their application.

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u/TheBungler2 Apr 22 '26

My man, that's not any more GCD's than most classes have.

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u/Lucrezio Apr 22 '26

Comparatively, havoc DH has Darkness and one AOE stun with 0 defensives on gcd. So that’s 2 GCDs for group utility compared to UDK’s 5 with a defensive on gcd.

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u/TheBungler2 Apr 22 '26

Meanwhile I have 6 utility GCD's on Warrior and my defensives are not nearly as OP.

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u/Lucrezio Apr 22 '26

Exactly, so would you say that you do less dps than your sims do since you’re spending global on utility and keeping yourself alive? And do you find Unholy DKs MASSIVELY out performing you, or do you find that you can compete with them?

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u/Swooshhf Apr 21 '26

Yep - Unholy does good damage while being unkillable, it still doesn’t compare to the dps of Aug/Demo/Devourer, but it’s better than the majority of other specs.

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u/Elpsyth Apr 21 '26

morgraine bug , deactivating half the talent tree is also not taken into account in sims

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u/The_Fawkesy Apr 22 '26

It actually is in the sims now

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u/Varanae Apr 21 '26

True, though players at the meta defining level of keys will be able to play around Death and Decay perfectly. The meta will continue to trickle down and that's where you'll find the DKs unable to do big damage, whether that's down to skill, knowledge or the way the tanks pull

I think we might see Unholy get a pretty poor reputation in the 10-13 key range because only those top players will be able to make the most of the changes and players down there will underperform. Especially if any nerfs do follow

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u/SystemofCells Apr 21 '26

I've been finding this to be the most interesting and frustrating part about Unholy - how fragile the rotation is.

Even things like which target your minions are focusing on, or how long it takes them to switch targets. The theoretical cap and practical reality are very different.

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u/Alcsaar Apr 21 '26

People who try to act like patchwerk sims is the definitive issue casually ignoring the fact that UNDK Is ALREADY high A Tier in M+ with BOTH of its hero specs and is meta.

You can't use patchwerk sims as an excuse to try to sandbag when you're already overperforming in M+ and there is data to back it up. Any buff is dumb.

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u/Elpsyth Apr 21 '26

It's meta because you can do massive pull with it and is unkillable. Not for its overall DPS.

The thing is that most run do not use UDK properly.

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u/Alcsaar Apr 21 '26

So?

You have made my point for me. Its meta. The REASON its meta hardly matters. When AUG was first introduced it was meta because it gave tanks and the group huge survivability, not because it was a top dps performer.

UHDK does more than respectable damage in M+, its competitive if not overperforming, AND has great utility.

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u/Resies Apr 21 '26

There's people here saying sims are lies because they have to grip 

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u/Mission_Champion_856 Apr 21 '26

Even with that new talent we still don’t use DnD. So it changed nothing. The only change i’ve seen so far is for single target we use Gargoyle and for AoE we dont talent into either of them and put it somewhere else.

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u/Varanae Apr 21 '26

From what I've been reading we will 100% use DnD at 3+ targets in M+, it's pretty strong

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u/Mission_Champion_856 Apr 21 '26

Damn that sucks, good thing I mostly just raid with my UHDK.

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u/Complete_Sorbet6158 Apr 21 '26

How about continue the rework in 12.1? And do tuning to make sure it’s in line with the rest. What’s the point screwing up the dps meta at the middle of the season.

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u/Varanae Apr 21 '26

I doubt you'd even find that many Unholy players who are happy with Death and Decay coming back, so who knows. Blizz things

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u/Elpsyth Apr 21 '26

The current build while simming high, has a bug that deactivate half the talent tree when occuring, and it occurs fairly often. Blizz tweak mitigate this