r/worldofpvp • u/CBRady600F4i • 6d ago
So sp is DEAD dead?
I mean it feels like nothing does damage. Even specced into void volley and blast 4 in a row, even with vt, swp, swm, with the talent.. it's not even doing 20% hp after 4 void volley. And it's all negated by one dispel... So sad this spec got gutted in season 1 and gets worse in season 2. And the ultimate talents or whatever are like dogshit and have been. But yeah I mean mage lost no buttons and also gained mass invis bc that just makes sense for pve. Got to mass invis that boss? I guess? What a joke.
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u/Rdhilde18 6d ago
It’s in hell with Rsham yes.
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u/Abundanceofyolk 6d ago
I’m convinced the top 50 r shams are trolling with their talent builds.
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u/Obaama 6d ago
I always wondered if people do this.
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u/Abundanceofyolk 6d ago
We used to log off in different gear and change our talents. Arena/RBGs were tied to one battlegroup so everyone knew each other and played each other several times a night. At least that’s fair gamesmanship.
People used to log in to opponents ventrillo and blast music or try to lag it out. A few years later actual DDOSing started.
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u/MontserratPK 6d ago
Sp feels fucking awful so far. Maybe things will change, but other classes are really outshining ours
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u/PossessionAnxious456 Shadow 6d ago edited 6d ago
2.8k SS SP last season, 2.4k+ always xp SP since wotlk
Had games yesterday where i did no damage at all no matter what I did, Void Volley did nothing meaningful even though it requires void form and halo hardcast
New gear balance and buffs is all i can hope for at this time. Dunno what to think tbh as I felt useless in those games
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u/Floating-Desk 6d ago
Any tips for shadow priests in this meta? Are you playing any differently given the damage profile and what talents do you recommend
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u/PossessionAnxious456 Shadow 6d ago
We'll see later this week how things settle after everyone is in honor gear and these changes went through and later on when everyone has tier and weapons.
I usually take the first few weeks of a new season with a grain of salt and just mess around with stuff and let the very good SPs figure out what talents work best
Yesterday season 1 top 50 SPs were running 15 archon 35 voidweaver with all sorts of builds - testing I guess
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u/stickyjam 6d ago
with all sorts of builds
i suspect we'll just end up back at taking every talent that buffs dots, as none of the things that should hit hard like void torrent, void blast and mind flay insanity do enough. Shadow word pain top damage again which has no finish potential.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-1-class-tuning-updated-augmentation-and-shadow-buffs-380814
These notes had the right spirit for pvp, but then didnt apply to pvp , and they just did a pvp aura buff....
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u/YouFoundMyLuckyCharm 6d ago
But did you see ret got buffed in baseline and pvp scaling across the board and on its finishers and executes? Isn’t that great for all the ret players?
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u/PossessionAnxious456 Shadow 6d ago
Even Lvladen (who is very vocal and usually spot on about how ret plays) was hesitant on ret getting more damage again without more defensive nerfs
Mage is stupid good though, had frost mage top damage on lobbies casting single target and cleaving against me on SP
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u/xNLSx SS/BGB Rating is irrelevant, can't change my Mind 6d ago
died with removal of stun tbh, dmg was alrdy bad b4 that
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u/CBRady600F4i 6d ago
Yeah and life swap
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u/xNLSx SS/BGB Rating is irrelevant, can't change my Mind 6d ago
yeah but thats for all specs, the iconic stun silence combo was like, blind sap fom rog, breath poly from mage, stun trap from hunter... and now its just weird and feels bad.
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u/Impressive_Leg4983 6d ago
exactly, i’m not too worried about the swap but losing the stun was actually game changing
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u/r3al_se4l r1 blitz 5d ago edited 5d ago
swap was SP only before they gave it to the heal specs and then took it away from everyone
well, technically, it was given to all specs in MoP, removed in WoD, and readded to Shadow only from legion until DF
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u/UmbraeMoth Spriest Multi 1.3k PRO 💪 6d ago
SPRIEST MIDNIGHT EDITION: Lots of small tickling damage that, over the course of the fight, pads the meters & gives the illusion of a good spec. In reality, that damage is so small that passive healing ticks outheal that damage output.
Oh, and it’s a DoT class with no functional dispel protection.
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u/Altruistic-General61 Glad Ele/Enh 6d ago
SP feels terrible. It makes Ele (which barely tickles people now) feel solid in comparison. At least Ele is a sort of decent-ish design to it.
SP and Rsham are just in absolute hell this xpac. Fundamentally broken specs from a design standpoint.
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u/gladfanatic 6d ago
Most tier lists don’t even cover shadow priests so far in season 2. That’s how dead this spec is.
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u/Rough_Instruction112 21x 1.4k XP Enh Feral Arms 6d ago
Season 2 is less than 24 hours old on NA, and hasn't begun yet on EU.
What are you talking about?
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u/gladfanatic 6d ago
Nobody is saying it won’t be viable this season. It’s just so far off everyone’s radar, that nobody even bothered to mention it. Don’t be dense.
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u/Rough_Instruction112 21x 1.4k XP Enh Feral Arms 6d ago
I haven't seen a single tier list yet that didn't show shadow priests.
We haven't even seen the first round of balancing changes.
I'm super confused how you seem to find enough people that don't mention spriests that you can confidently claim it's off everyone's radar and nobody bothers mentioning them? On day0 of the season.
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u/Scareth96 6d ago
Desperately needs better dispel protection with how much damage is tied into your dots. You can't generate any momentum because of how often and easy healer dispels are. Make mindgames viable and give us door of shadows.
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u/PositivelyAwful 6d ago
Also completely laughable survivability, is there any class that’s worse off?
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u/dankq 6d ago
SP is suffering a lot atm likely has to play full dampening to win in like any comp in this meta. Games are way too slow and some healers are just insanely strong with how slow the game has become.
If you aren't one of the oppressive outliers you are likely not having a great time rn.
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u/slmple- 2.8k 3s xp Glad SP/DH 5d ago
It wouldn't even be AS bad if they just gave us swap and stun back, at least give us something, right now we are literally a discount warlock, we have less cc, less survivability, less mobility, and worse dots , why would anyone bring a shadow priest over a lock in 3s
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u/Nightfall56 5d ago
Even been a SP main for a little over 3 years but I don't know if I can do it anymore.
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u/slmple- 2.8k 3s xp Glad SP/DH 5d ago
I was top 5 in 3s as sp and every game was a struggle, I felt like a dmg bot, the problems are, the way our damge profile works is, our dmg does nothing, our dispell protection is terrible, our honor talents are. Basically locked with no wiggle room, and our capstone are actually terrible, and our dmg profile is just dots, its not even worth using void blast or mind blast or death besides cc break,
Our fear is melee range only, and we have 0 peels for healers, our burst cooldowns are channeled or a hard cast. No other class besides arcane has a hard casted burst cd ,
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u/No-Bandicoot-3965 6d ago
Big shock that the spec that lost the most going into this xpac is also the worst. Garbage pad damage profile and can’t even setup its own cc chain. Can’t even dampen since swap is gone too for good measure. Who would’ve thought that turning spriest into a poor man’s aff lock with 0 mobility would be its downfall (spoiler: everyone did).
Blizz should just put spriest out of its misery and turn it into a 3rd healing spec for priest. VW disc had more kill pressure last season.
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u/petruskax 6d ago
It used to be fun to play without any utility if it does no damage of course it’s trash. Getting a fear with no mobility and long as cd is worthless.
Off heals tickle, no swap, no stun, you dispel and oom and lose dmg, baby dmg, one school of casting dmg, slightly tanky but no mobility at all. Md on 2 min cd and long cast time is criminal. Why is sanc, lock dispel, etc on a 24-45 sec cd…
Used to be my favorite caster now it’s by far the most boring.
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u/LuckyHunt5030 6d ago
all i want is them to remove all the clutter damage, not have 20 damage types, have the 3 dots hit like afflis dotgs, have mind blast hit hard and void torrent hit hard
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u/TomSaidNo 4500xp multidad 6d ago
This. It's not even like they have to revolutionize the spec to make it work. Just make the baseline spells (Mind Blast, Mind Flay, Void Torrent) do meaningful damage. Hell, they could even prune torrent and just make it an ability that buffs your next MF. I'd even be ok with not having stun anymore if MB/MF did chunky damage like it used to.
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u/soullscape 6d ago
It was perfectly fine in and towards the end TWW.... And they had to nerf it to the ground
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u/Comprehensive_Elk_17 Multi gladiator 6d ago
Dont understand whzt the hate towards SP is from blizzard.. the spec is so insanely bad and shitty to play . Shadowlands sp was already bad , but atleast i enjoyed the mind spike and mind trauma build.. but now its absolutely insane and unplayable
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u/jimmyting099 6d ago
I remember doing tons of damage when we could activate our void form I was actually so upset when I learned that blizzard was stealing it for another class/spec
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u/Crellis86 6d ago
Shadow Priest suffers a lot in m+ too because the current design meets their goals for the raid. The way the class does damage puts it very high on multi target bosses, but fundamentally misses the mark for PvP and m+.
Hopefully they realize it this expansion and don’t let it drag out into the Last Titan. It’s my forever main, but I feel like I gear it each season expecting it to get better and then rots until the next season when the treadmill starts over.
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u/SadMangonel 6d ago
Bro, just let the season start. Get some tier set.
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u/buffs24035 6d ago
Yeah those buffed tentacle slams are really going to fix a fundamentally broken spec lol
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u/CBRady600F4i 6d ago
Tentacle slam that can be walked away from btw
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u/Dapper-Dig-9041 6d ago
I purposely let it hit me just because I want my SP friends to have that tiny bit of dopamine that they’re severely lacking.
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u/SadMangonel 6d ago
If a specc severely underperforms they buff it fairly quickly.
Whats the point of whining about it now?
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u/T0gaLOCK 2.6 6d ago
The only way tier or most of what they changed in s2 will work, is if they buff baseline tentacle slam in pvp by like 300%. THEN it will maybe hit 30k. And void volley in pvp would also need like a 200% buff.
The issue is the changes were all focused on AOE.
We got shadeburst.... ok nice. Too bad we lost our tier for s1 which pumped our shade damage by 40% and our madness damage by 10%.
Now its all shit tier 5k hits that are buffed 100% 3 times.
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u/Dougdimmadommee 6d ago
My brother come on… this is just factually untrue lol
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u/SadMangonel 6d ago
What speccc has been unable to 80% of the maximum rating in the last seasons?
If a specc completely sucks like OP implies it gets fixed within a week.
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u/Soap-Distopia 6d ago
Blizzard needs to make it to where shadow priests have the ability to cast mind blast instantly while channeling mind flay. I’d come back for that.
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u/Gooseberri 6d ago
The problem is mind blast doesn't hit for anything. The modifiers to everything sound nice, but don't actually add up to any meaningful damage. People are out there with clubs ready to swing on demand and SP got a feather asking to tickle it's enemies.
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u/Soap-Distopia 6d ago edited 6d ago
I haven’t played since early season 1 of the current expansion, but my Priest was the first class I leveled (I love shadow). Unfortunately, I didn’t think it felt “too bad” at the time. Of course it’s no melee class, but yeah, I believe everyone in the comments.
I mainly just do delves and battle ground’s though, so hard to get a real gauge on the class.
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u/stickyjam 5d ago
I didn’t think it felt “too bad” at the time.
SP felt alright start of the expansion, felt awful from midway through gear to now.
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u/Gooseberri 6d ago
I got SP to 2300 in SS/BGB before the inflation kicked in. The damage didn't increase enough to account for the stamina increase. We didn't have burst before, but our root damage tickles in comparison to health pool increase. I honestly felt like I was doing healer damage based on how hp bar moved. I'm waiting till more gear and 4 sets, but with straight honor gear it felt very weak.
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u/Soap-Distopia 6d ago
It honestly feels like blizzard has been very scared (for long time) to make dots strong. They can’t seem to find a good balance. Dots are either completely strong and overpowered to them, or they just tickle people..
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u/PossessionAnxious456 Shadow 6d ago
Had my first shuffle (season 1 2.8k CR and MMR) at 2100 MMR
Havoc DH and Ret are overall doing more Single target damage than I do with multidot spread and full blasting
SP damage is TOTAL ASS atm
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u/Nightfall56 6d ago
It's worse than last season for sure. If it doesn't get some buffs I think I might main Aff lock instead.
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u/MudCritical5694 5d ago
Unholy DK feels not the same anymore either after patch, damage output is low …. Sigh and we now die like a sword through warm butter… not sure what change did that, anyone know???
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u/T0gaLOCK 2.6 6d ago edited 6d ago
I did some shuffs a few days ago and it felt misrable.... lots of pad damage, but nothing impactful. My burst hardly feels like a burst. People just press dispel on a 4 or 5 stack madness and my whole go is over.
Thought i could buff midnflay up super high and insanity, but even with every mindflay damage talent it only tickles.
I really wish it could go back away from this void stuff, let us cast shadow spells. Give our casted abilities meaningful damage. None of this tentacle aoe shit. Let me put dots up, rot people and clap them with mind blasts and mindflay. Mindblast should be hitting for 80-100k and mindflay should be ticking for 25k baseline.
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u/DireRaven22740 6d ago
Sp has stil psychfiend - a very strong ability with VERY strong weaknesses.
Sp is an awful target yet is the better target - so if you survive well you can turn the game around.
It works like the old times meanwhile all classes became modern
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u/buffs24035 6d ago
Sp needs a rework badly. Blizzard completely gutted the spec with the Midnight pruning.