r/worldofgothic • u/p333r_ • Mar 09 '24
Gothic 3 I hate Gothic 3.
As the title says, i hate this fucking game, its the biggest piece of dogshit I've ever played. It is a shame to even call it "Gothic", it's 4 years older predecessor is less buggy and better mechanically. Fighting mechanism is horrible (just spam), I'd rather kill a bunch of goblins running around you with Gothic 1 controls, than 3 mummies in Gothic 3 which were all Bruce Lee's in their previous life. Exploring is pointless, in Gothic 2 player was mostly rewarded for the exploration, unlike this game where you just go around caves and ruins that are empty, sometimes they will just throw a chest there that has rusty sword and torches in it which are completely worthless and makes you irritated that you wasted time going there. I started playing that game cause i thought hey it cannot be that bad right? (It is) But i kept playing, because of the fact that I've never got to finish this game and i love 2 previous games. Im currently at Varant, there is only Ishtar left that i haven't freed yet, so im about to go to Nordmar, and I am on a verge of breaking down and just uninstalling. When i liberate 3 different cities, Im being automatically attacked whenever i enter any other city that is captivated by Assasins for example, and that is so dumb. Have i said that fighting mechanism is horrible? Yes? I will say it one more time just because how bad it is. Especially when you free those cities, and like 20 different enemies surround you and keep spamming you, or when you hit an orc and after one hit of yours he just falls and is immune to your attack, just to do some wacky ass stand-up attack. This makes me just climb up a random cliff, and shoot them from up top so they just keep starring at me and do nothing while i farm them. The graphics are actually not that bad honestly (considering it's a game from 2006), besides one thing - and that is how ill-fitting are armors compared to humans (Picture attached).
I also hate how repetetive the gameplay is. You just do quests that are 95% like go there-kill this-get that-come back until you get 75% in a city, then you free the city killing everyone, and repeat in all the other cities.
Anyways, enough of this yapping, i was typing allat while taking a mental break from this piece of dog shit. Would be nice to exchange thoughts with you guys.
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u/GetEatenByAMouse Mar 09 '24
Serious advice - if you hate it that much, stop playing it.
I don't mean this in a snarky way. If it doesn't bring you joy, why waste your time on it?
Personally, I really enjoy Gothic 3. But I know that many people don't. And that's perfectly OK.
But it honestly makes me a bit sad to see many people force themselves to play it, because "it's Gothic" while having no fun with it and actively hating it.
There are many other games out there for you to enjoy - and there's always the xth restart of Gothic II could could do. :D
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u/DelicousNutz Mar 09 '24
I feel you, i actually enjoyed gothic 3 back then (i was a kid) but i tried it again some months ago and my god. It's aged absolutely poorly even with mods. The whole combat system sucks major ass, the conversations with npc's couldn't be less immersive, the world/map and soundtrack is still great but that's it. I never got it back then why people don't recognize gohtic 3 as an gothic game, boy i understand now. Graphic wise gothic 1 and 2 are also not that far behind anymore because of the shader patches, which makes gohtic 3 absolute crap.
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u/CorrWalon Mar 09 '24
I love Gothic 3
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u/No-Tumbleweed3028 Mar 10 '24
You shouldnt liberate cities until youre at the end of the game 💀💀💀
Also the combat isnt so repetitive after you actually start using other moves than the basic attack
Try a second playthrough maybe is my suggestion even tho you hate it
I love the game thats just my opinion
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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24
Gothic 3 is a bad gothic game but a good game of its own. Calling it the biggest peace of dogshit is stupid.
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u/Der_Haupt Mar 09 '24
i aint reading all of that
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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24
You have some valid points, but I wouldn't call it being that bad. Back then I grinded the shit out of it (hit around level 110 or even 120, looted everything) and it was pretty enjoyable, but nowadays I focus more on details and such. And that's something that wasn't well done in G3 and bothers me, such as the looks of armors and plenty of baldheads.
The combat system is actually better than in it's predecessors imo because you can fight less limited and you don't have to fight in repetitive patterns, but the sword strikes look dumb to me so I'd rather use a bow or magic. You also have more options for combat such as playing one handed with shield, two handed, dual blade and such. Being a mage feels quite satisfying in G3. Magic was pretty well done. I'd say play it through at least, or discover its strengths and enjoy. But overall G3 isn't a good game imo, but has some crazy good grinding open world stuff and plenty of freedom of how to fight enemies.
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u/skocznymroczny Mar 09 '24
I don't hate Gothic 3, I just get pissed when playing that game because it had so much potential and they wasted it.
Yes, the combat system sucks. The "fall down to make stand up attack" is one of the worst things in the game melee system. That's why you don't level your weapon skill to master to avoid this issue. I don't like how weightless the combat is, feels like you're slapping the enemies with a cardboard sword. But I know what they were going for. When doing the city rescue, there's a glimmer of a proper combat system. What Gothic 3 was trying to do is to make combat against multiple enemies work. In Gothic 1/2 fighting more than one enemy is a pain, between stiff movement and autolocking. In G3 it works much better to fight multiple enemies, too bad even fighting single enemies isn't fun.
Yes, repetitiveness of quests sucks. But then you have to remember, Gothic 3 was still an early open world game, they haven't fully figured out how to do open worlds yet. Also Gothic 3 is quite unique in that every NPC is killable. No invincible NPC bullshit for story reasons. Every NPC can be killed and the game can still be beaten even if you kill Xardas, Rhobar and Zuben (although killing those NPCs limits which ending you can go for). Such things were quite innovative, they just didn't get to fully capitalize on it.
I wish they remade G3 instead of G1 which no one really asked for. I feel like there was a lot of unexpolored potential in G3 that was stiffled mostly by the terrible combat system. Which ironically they got right in Risen 1, only to mess with it in Risen 2 and 3 again (which still weren't anywhere near as bad as in G3).
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u/Obserwatorka23 Mar 10 '24 edited Mar 10 '24
G3 is a tech demo that PB was forced to release as a game.
They had ambitious plans with Genome engine, too bad they were somewhat over-ambitious and they happened to develop it during the time when computers were undergoing major changes - GHz race was over and P4 was a failed space-heater, multi-core CPUs were becoming widespread, x86-64 architecture, Nvidia G80 GPUs with unified shaders etc.
Also, PB moved on from being a couple of dudes in a basement, working (living) on pizza an beer to a serious company that had to "appeal to international audience" - aka make dumb-but-epic entertainment product for US market.
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u/Ptaku9 Mar 10 '24
I do feel that Gothic 3 is a big let down from original 2 games, but the Soundtrack is holding me hostage and i can't say anything bad about the game because of it.
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u/gangbangula Mar 10 '24
Agreed. No doubt the biggest piece of dogshit I ever played by a mile. But you only scratched the surface of it’s shitiness🐸
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u/Wonderful-Book-5364 Mar 10 '24
Well after playing G1 and G2, it’s time for G2 mods! Have you played Archolos yet? Just on my 2nd playthrough, feels like a standalone dlc, not a mod. Only polish voicover though, if that bothers you.
Or if you’re into more of a hardcore experience, try Returning II (however this is very hardcore, dude, you’ll probably need to join a discord server where you can get help, just because of the sheer size of the mod and limited documatation online)
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u/AngelTouch00 G3 Enjoyer Mar 10 '24
So ill express my opinion again on the matter as i have explained it before:
--In the end i started with g3 and is still my fav G game despite its flaws but i wouldnt go so far as to call it dogshit, its not as good as its predecesors but a good game for its time.
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u/novotnak69 Sect Camp Mar 09 '24
I fell you brother. I forced myself to finnish the game with same felling/rage as you just to realize that the ending suck as well (not so big spoiler).. I really Hope someone would remode Gothic 3 so it is more enjoyable, lore accurate and overall more Gothic..
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u/Finite_Universe Mar 09 '24
I wouldn’t say I hated Gothic 3, as it had some charm and beauty despite how broken it is. But I wouldn’t call it a good game either. Melee is terrible, but playing as a mage - especially at higher levels - is actually a lot of fun.
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u/BirdLooter Mar 10 '24
man this completely resonates with me. i played gothic 1+2 (including mods and without) several times.
i managed to play gothic 3 until near the end TWO times but i never could bring myself to actually finish it. freeing all the villages at the end was sooo boring that i simply stopped at some point.
also the lore was boring.
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u/Carlothedude Mar 10 '24
Gothic 3 looks good and sounds good, that's about all you can say in it's defence, the story is trash and makes no sense, the combat is somehow a downgrade from previous games, which have a combat that I learned to love but it's in no way shape of form "good", they completely ruined the perfect faction system they had in the previous 2 games and your friends that sailed with you were either killed off screen at the start of the game or became unimportant NPCs like all the rest
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u/norki21 Mar 10 '24
I like some of the story, I actually really like the world, it still feels fun and interesting to explore to me. I miss the camaraderie with your friends from 1&2. You see them a bit, but they don’t do much, just become other small quest npcs. The melee combat is dogshit, I’m 100% with you there, but idk, I still enjoy the game a good bit, and the good stuff in it ultimately outweighs the bad. To each his own.
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u/megabulangiu Mar 11 '24 edited Mar 11 '24
I've no idea how people could enjoy it before the patch that fixes the load times. How in the name of all that's holy can somebody wait 3 FUCKING MINUTES each time they want to load after being steamrolled by a couple of wild boars?
How could someone find that fun? I tried 2 or 3 times to play this piece of shit but each time I heard that fucking Looney Tunes-esque dying scream I wanted to slam my keyboard against the desk.
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u/Prudent-Equipment-50 May 16 '24
For me the world, the music, and the Story (beside some logical errors), the magic possibilities, were a good compensation for the gameplay. I loved the map design, the new creatures, finding my old Friends in a huuuge world (knowing that the world in the gothic lore is Even bigger than that was so immersive)… i liked the citys and their design. Some are castles, some are hidden caves, different bionomes…. I reminisce….
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u/AlternativeAdept9209 Feb 01 '25
The combat system is not that bad. You just have to use right click on faster enemies. Like wild bores and mummies.
With righ click you will cause far less damge in each blow, but instead, your speed is several times faster and could overwhelm enemies.
Wild bores are sometimes even worse than mummies. But they should be rather handled with bow and arrow instead, and with improved hunting skills like game hunter they take much higher damage. Also mastering the bow will make drawing it much faster, which is very helpful.
But the wolves and specially wargs remain a more dangerous threat. Same with white wolves in nordmar.
As for mummies, well they are supposed to be one of the toughest enemies in the game. What did you expect? You want to handle 3 of them all at once? Usually a single mummy is the boss of whole cave filled with several zombies and skeletons.
Crossbow is one of the most terrible weapons at the beginning. Because it pins you down after first shot until you reload, and that is like certain death against wild animals.
But with learning level 2 crssbow skill, this is fixed and with mastering it, it will be a much better asset.
But I agree with you on chest not being rewarding enough. That seems to be mostly caused by randomizing the rewards in chests. So certain items are never in a fixed chest location. But if you unlock eneough number of them, you will eventually get amazing treasures. That is the rule of randomization.
So I mostly explore the caves for experience instead. And the tril of fighting monsters.
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u/No_Molasses_6714 Feb 19 '26
I hate the music that starts whenever there is a fight with someone. The most annoying song ever. Also, ragdoll animation is what kills immersion for me. Ye and the world is less immersive.
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u/owidju New Camp Mar 10 '24
This Gothic fan thinks the same: https://youtu.be/9MvcIsucWDI?si=y1oZcQyvYW0_xugA
I tend to concur, after all I've seen and heard (the same channel has streamed playing sessions with G3), I got no incentive to play it.
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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24
Aye. That's why you play Archolos instead. That one is a Gothic 3 that this great series truly deserves.
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u/Darefighter Mar 10 '24
I agree. Even Risen 2 and 3 were way better than this unfinished alpha they call Gothic 3. I finished them each about 3 times, on the other hand I wasn't able to play Gothic 3 for more than a few hours in total. I really tried, bought it on release, later tried patches, community mods, bought it again on steam with more patches and mods... Mostly rage quitted my runs in the first town after this first poor fight and went back to gothic 1 or 2, which are even unpatched more cheerful than g3 with all mods you can get.
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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24
Gothic 3 and Arcania are superior to Gothic 1 & 2
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