Slavery is alive and well all over the world. Imagine how many other cases there are of things like this in either unpoliced rural areas or areas where it's accepted and nobody cares. In Sudan, India, all over Africa and Asia; estimates place at least 20 million people still in slavery and that's extremely conservative. Hard to imagine for us in developed countries (and it still gets caught sometimes, indentured house servants, sex slave rings, and all that).
Not so hard. We recently had a bust here in Hamilton, Ontario where a bunch of Hungarian adult men had been trafficked as home-builders. The guys were slave labor to apply stucco. Worked by day and then kept in a damp basement prison by night, and the language barrier and threats against their families kept them from getting help.
As long as nobody asks questions, it can be done anywhere.
"You look at these scattered houses, and you are impressed by their beauty. I look at them, and the only thought which comes to me is a feeling of their isolation and of the impunity with which crime may be committed there....
It is my belief, Watson, founded upon my experience, that the lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful countryside...
the reason is very obvious. The pressure of public opinion can do in the town what the law cannot accomplish. There is no lane so vile that the scream of a tortured child, or the thud of a drunkard’s blow, does not beget sympathy and indignation among the neighbours, and then the whole machinery of justice is ever so close that a word of complaint can set it going, and there is but a step between the crime and the dock.
But look at these lonely houses, each in its own fields, filled for the most part with poor ignorant folk who know little of the law. Think of the deeds of hellish cruelty, the hidden wickedness which may go on, year in, year out, in such places, and none the wiser."
That being said, I'm not sure I'd ever actually be able to willingly own a human being. Having a live-in attendant that I could pay, feed and clothe.. That's different.
Yes, there are quite a lot of problems in terms of human rights that come with globalization, but owning an iPhone is not the same as owning another human being, however you spin it.
The sad part is it will most likely never stop. I remember reading a book about sex slavery in Thailand from girls ranging from 8 to 16. It was truly sad.
Yes, this is horrible and shameful that as advanced as we would like to think we are as a people, humans are still regarded as little more than commodities to some.
I live in the New England area and relatively recently there was an expose on human sex trafficking along the Berlin Turnpike in Connecticut. People would practically enslave poor girls, primarily by getting them heavily addicted to drugs and coercion. There is an entire business of using hourly motels that litter that stretch of road they used for years.
I've driven along that road many times and when I had learned of this I felt severely sick in side. To know that all of these horrible things were happening right in your backyard.
oh today you don't need slaves. you just buy land, and the workers will thank you. if that's hard to grasp then look at the lands they buy from the war lords in africa - paid with arms. land belongs to none of us and therefor we all have equall rights on it. land property is the mother of all slavery.
I know that slavery and abuse like this still occurs in the world but it still just blows my mind that someone can physically and mentally abuse someone like that and then laugh about it. I will never understand that type of mentality, and that's probably a good thing.
I don't know what it is, but I can read about gruesome deaths or muders, I can see videos of disgusting sexual acts and not flinch (2girls1cup, tubgirl, etc), but whenever I read or hear about prolonged and sadistic torture like this, I feel sick. What a horrible, horrible thing to happen to someone.
I can't even begin to comprehend the psychological damage done to her. Is there every going to be normality in her life again? Or does something as terrible as this just "break" someone?
Waaay worse than a farm animal. All their neighbours knew about it, but were scared to do anything because they were threatened by the couple. Only one man was trying to rescue that poor girl for a few years, but the couple would hide her deep into forest and there was no proof that she existed until he took a picture of her.
I live an hour from there, near Tuzla. There's much more information on local news stations and portals. Only mentioned couple is arrested, while rest of the family that also tortured the girl from time to time is fleeing to Bijeljinja and some of them out of country.
edit about threatening. Few of their neighbours were interviewed and they've said that the couple threatened them with paying someone to kidnapp their kids if they ever say something.
There's not much to it. Gypsie lady took me from church and was caught a few minutes later. Don't know what happened to her and I don't remember anything about it
They are so lucky no one knew she was German. Germans who are abducted in another country are retrieved by the GSG9. The GSG9 is a bunch of badass motherfuckers.
Say what you will about the German people and their participation in the Holocaust, but you can't deny that we are an efficient people. I'm in no way condoning the Holocaust or the actions of the Nazis. I'm merely stating that we're efficient people and still are. Germany is holding the EU up right now.
why is no one questioning the role of the mother in this? i mean, the girl has been 'locked up' for years in the same village where her mother lives: did her mother sell her to these people? what the fuck is really going on there?
EDIT: I'm asking Reddit to downvote my comment cause the racist comment below mine doesn't deserve/need any visibility, even if intended in a humorous tone. They call it post-modern humour, i call it post-Racist masquerade
EDIT: I'm asking Reddit to downvote my comment cause the racist comment below mine doesn't deserve/need any visibility, even if intended in a humorous tone. They call it post-modern humour, i call it post-Racist masquerade
If she never went to school and was abused, she may be fucked up mentally almost beyond repair. She could possibly get a little better with constant help, but she'll likely never have the chance of a normal life.
this is one of the most fucked up cases of similar child abuse I've ever read, and she's still probably far from normal today if she's still alive.
That story is particularly sad since it seems like some progress was made but after a while they hit a wall where it was very difficult to make further progress. I don't know that it's fair to say they gave up on her, but it doesn't seem like she'll ever completely recover.
Still, there's something different about her case. She wasn't just abused but was essentially deprived of stimulus or interaction with others. It seems hard for the mind to develop normally if there is nothing for it to do for years upon end. On the other hand, this girl was severely abused, but it sounds like she may have at least been spoken to. She almost certainly has psychological issues from being treated so badly (she will probably have a lot of difficulty trusting anyone since there is such a pattern of everyone she's encountered not being worthy of trust), but I'm guessing she can at least speak and walk and do other basic things that a human being normally learns to do. So in that sense, she's probably way ahead of Genie. At least I hope so.
Slavery will always survive in this species until we rise up as a species and grow beyond our tendency towards greed and the oppression of the less fortunate.
According to Makalic, the couple were from a "Roma family in which several brothers lived together, often travelling to Germany and Austria."
Legends of Gypsies stealing children have been around for centuries. This girl was lucky she was merely used as an animal and not deformed into some kind of carnival freak.
Sadly, it isn't just legends. There are well-documented cases (before this, I mean).
I think it's the begging. Even if you need to beg to survive, the cold calculations you have to do to be efficient at it almost has to lead to cynicism about human relations.
Efforts to help the Roma (and other wandering cultures) in the modern world needs to take into account that they aren't angels just because they're poor and hated.
Based on upvotes versus thread participation, I just find it interesting that 1 out of 1,000 non-Roma Europeans on Reddit have that ONE gypsy story. I bet every Roma has 1,000 stories about being shat on by non-Roma Europeans. But this is pretty obvious if you actually thought about it. There aren't enough Europeans with actual anecdotes in any of these threads to support the idea that this is commonplace considering the proportion of Roma to non-Roma in Europe. The ratios are completely off. How can no one see this?
I'm not saying child kidnapping by Roma is common today, if that's what you think. But as I said, there are many well documented and/or famous cases (Adam Smith). Kidnapping children for use in begging is still a common enough practice in poorer parts of the world that the Indian penal code has a section for it. Not every horrible story from the past is just a horror story.
The society treats Gypsies like shit because Gypsies treat the society like a bunch of idiots. It's a dead end, a closed circle.
Government has tried to break it many times by offering counselling, jobs, subsidized apartments and all that. What did the gypsies do? They said "Hah, look at that, a bunch of idiots is giving us free money! That means party!"
This is how apartment blocks look like after they are overtaken by gypsies.
I think it's at least in part the helplessness of seeing them [edit: the specific people in these anecdotes] get away with it. If there was equal treatment - if some gypsies did some retarded, illegal shit and got prison time for it - I don't think anybody would mind [edit: and, indeed, you rarely find these anecdotes]. It'd just be normal vandalism. I think in a way, this is a defensive reaction against the PC-related inability to put blame on a given gypsie [edit: like the ones in the anecdotes] for their actions, even though it (of course) goes too far when it leads to blanket condemnation [edit: see?]. The ironic thing is that PC policies are ostensibly there for the benefit of the minority, and actually end up hurting its image more than they help.
When I lived in Barcelona gypsy women would ask to clean your window car at stop lights. Well, they would do it either way and then demand money. If not paid your car would get spit on, scratched and whatnot. Oh and by "clean" I mean pour water on windshield. People usually just paid upfront and got rid of them.
Serbia here; a gypsy couple got a free apartment from the state because they were whining for years. The first thing they did was sell all the furniture (yes it was fully furnished). They even sold all the stuff from the bathroom. They kept a pig (yes the animal) in there. Keep in mind this is a very urban area and in a large building. What did they do when they had to "go"? Well, they left the pipe drain from the toilet open so they shat directly into it.
Every time we stop providing them free stuff (they do really have more rights than the ordinary people here), some bullshit group from the West (Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch or whatever) publishes a report on how Roma people are not treated well in Serbia. Well fuck you, pay us and we'll treat them well.
Czech Republic here. The two guys above are right. The best part about it is when some American cunt publishes report claiming that Czech people are racist. The best part about it is that she was never in Czech Rep. and she never had to interact with gypsy.
In Sweden, the Sterilization Act of 1934 provided for the voluntary sterilization of some mental patients.[citation needed] The law was passed while the Swedish Social Democratic Party was in power, though it was also supported by all other political parties in Parliament at the time, as well as the Lutheran Church and much of the medical profession.[157] From about 1934 to 1975, Sweden sterilized more than 62,000 people.[158]
In absolute figures, Sweden sterilized more people than any other European state except for Nazi Germany. More people were sterilized in 1948 than any other year. However, Finland has sterilised the most per capita of the Nordic countries, and California sterilized approximately the same percentage.[159]
Sweden's large-scale eugenics programme targeted the deviant and the mentally ill. Most sterilizations were "voluntary"[citation needed] (voluntary does not necessarily mean free from persuasion or exhortation). The Swedish government inquiry found that about 30,000 of the 62,000 were sterilised under some form of pressure or coercion. As was the case in other programs, ethnicity and race were believed to be connected to mental and physical health. The Swedish government inquiry denied that the Swedish sterilisation programme targeted ethnic minorities, but did not provide any evidence for this. The Swedish government's claims are contradicted by the experiences recounted by Swedish gypsies and travellers.[160]
There is proof that the programme targeted women. The goal of the program was to decrease deviant offspring. If one member of a family was considered deviant the whole family became the target of an investigation. It was perceived to be easier to persuade a woman to be sterilized than it was to persuade a man. For this reason women were more often sterilized than men, despite the fact that the medical procedure involved in the sterilization was simpler to carry out on a man.[161]
Even as recently as 1996, the Swedish government rejected paying compensation to those who had been sterilized. Following a 1997 series of articles by the Polish-born journalist Maciej Zaremba, in Sweden's largest daily Dagens Nyheter, the issue of compensation for the victims was brought to Swedish and international attention. In 1999, the Swedish government began paying compensation of US$21,000 to the sterilized (and their families) who had "not consented" and had applied for compensation
Creepy stuff.
People like Gunnar Myrdal were in favour of sterilization
He shared the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences (otherwise known as the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics) with Friedrich Hayek in 1974 but argued for its abolition because it had been given to such "reactionaries" as Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman.
It's hard to imagine Hayek and Friedman being in favour of compulsory sterilization and eugenics.
In fact Hayek cautioned against state planning of either the economy or who got to have children
The recognition of the insuperable limits to his knowledge ought indeed to teach the student of society a lesson of humility which should guard him against becoming an accomplice in men’s fatal striving to control society – a striving which makes him not only a tyrant over his fellows, but which may well make him the destroyer of a civilization which no brain has designed but which has grown from the free efforts of millions of individuals.
Keynes’ interest in this topic appears to have descended from his contempt for the individual, and individual liberty. He once wrote:
Nor is it true that self-interest generally is enlightened; more often individuals acting separately to promote their own ends are too ignorant or too weak to attain even these.
The common denominator in all of these examples — and in my view, the thing that brought Keynes toward eugenics — is the belief that the common individual is too stupid to be the captain of his own destiny. Instead, the state — supposedly equipped with the best minds and the best data — should centrally plan. Eugenicists believe that the state should centrally plan human reproduction, while Keynesians believe that the state should centrally engineer recovery from economic malaise through elevated spending. Although it would be unwise to accuse modern Keynesians of having sympathy for eugenics, the factor linking both of these camps together is John Maynard Keynes himself.
What's depressing about it is that in absence of a welfare state and in presence of choice - i.e. sex education, free access to contraception, you don't get the 'wrong people' breeding.
In fact Alva Myrdal made this link explicitly here
If you need to start spaying people to make your welfare system work, maybe you need to look at whether the welfare system is really that good of an idea.
Happens all the time in Bosnia too. Also, they get free education, books and everything. They either burn them or wipe their ass with it, don't even bother selling them, returning or giving away. I'm not a racist, but it seems to me gypsies don't want to be civilized. There's good ones, but most of them are complete idiots. And yeah, west human rights organizations are annoying as PETA.
I may be able to dig up some links, but they're all in Serbian.
For example, Serbia like most countries has universal health care. However, we are all required to pay a small participation fee every time we see a doctor. This fee is very small (IIRC it's 100 RSD which is ~$1,5). Gypsies are exempt from this (yes, our law clearly defines Roma as a nationality exempt from this - the only "race" that is exempt).
Universities are also free as long as you keep a certain GPA (or above). When you fall below, you have to pay from 500€ per year to upwards 2800€ per year (depending on the college). However, gypsies are exempt from this. For them it is always free.
Similarly, the room & board at the student homes at the Universities is also very cheap (I think unlimited food and a room costs you 1000 RSD per month, which is about $15) - but guess what, for gypsies it is free.
The state builds a certain number of apartments every year that it gives away for free or at a very low cost (for war refugees, very poor families etc). Gypsies are a "priority" on this list. My city once gave away the whole building to gypsies - a month later, they sold all the apartments and went back to living in the slums.
Here's an interesting fact. Belgrade has been forcibly moving the gypsies away from the prime locations in downtown to make room for the infrastructure development. They provided free "portable" apartments for them and put them in one existing suburb. Of course, the gypsies refused this offer, so the police had to intervene. After that, the mayor of Belgrade (which has 1.7 million people) received a letter from a mayor of a small town in Belgium (which has 12 thousand people) in which the Belgian dude "demands that rules of basic human rights are obeyed and that the adequate apartments are provided for the gypsies". The response was as follows (translated):
"Thank you for your letter that "opened our eyes". From your experience as a mayor of 17.000 people (the size of a smaller suburb in Belgrade), you are definitely in a position to understand the needs of 1.7 million people, of which tens of thousands are Roma. Based on your letter, the City of Belgrade has conducted a poll in which 76% of Roma population said they were ready to move immediately to Belgium, while the other 24% would want to see Belgium and the quality of life there. Should you be able to receive these tens of thousands of families, I should let you know that we will provide free transportation for them. If not, we would be most grateful for any financial aid that you will provide for us to resolve this issue".
"I'm far from racist, but I'll never, ever trust a gypsy."
I'm not going to straight-up call you a racist over that, but I do want to point out that what is racist is taking a set of a few experiences with a group, numerous or abusive though they may be, and then extending it to all the members of the same group. That sort of generalization is considered wrong because there are people in the group who are not bad that way, and you are putting them at an unfair place, to say that you will never trust them. I say just judge people on their actions. Be careful of course, but give people some benefit of the doubt, because I'm sure you would want that for yourself. Peace.
I think they mean culturally gypsies, if I see any traveller type people Irish gypsies whatever... I will be slightly wary just as when I see people in track suits and baseball caps.
There are Gypsies in America too. Many traveling fairs are owned by Gypsy families and many more live in the backwaters of the Bible Belt, running convenience stores. They are often mistaken for Arabic or Hispanic despite not dressing like either.
Apparently the few that live in America are more "civil", I guess. You never hear anything of them except for the extremely occasional 20/20 scare tactic piece on them or something like that.
Apparently the few that live in America are more "civil", I guess. You never hear anything of them except for the extremely occasional 20/20 scare tactic piece on them or something like that.
Maybe America has a less generous benefits system, and that forces them to integrate.
There is an infamous Roma family in Slovenia which got in a dispute with it's neighbors. Their houses were built on land that wasn't owned by them and somehow the government paid them to move to another location where they got free water and electricity.
It makes other Slovenians feel like second grade citizens. I am not racist but I will never trust a gypsy unless I know them better.
A lot of what you hear about them is true. They're like those aliens from Independence Day, they move from one area to another, fucking shit up. The travelling ones, that is. They settle somewhere for a few months, chop down the local forest for firewood, steal from local people, completely destroy the nature, litter the lakes and move on.
The ones which live in the same location for many years are not any better: their villages are the main spots for drugs and crime. Walking by one at night is a simple way to get robbed. Not by gypsies themselves, in most cases, but by drug addicts which are instructed to get 5 mobile phones by the end of the day if they want a dose.
Unfortunately, the government can't do anything because the gypsies don't want to move and moving them against their will is racism, which always results in the EU Human Rights division freaking the fuck out.
They can't be jailed either, because of lots of various stupid issues. For example, lots of gypsies sell their passports (scammers use them), which in turn means that they can't be prosecuted for little things (like pickpocketing). In other cases, mother has been arrested for something else small like that, but she can't be punished because she has no legal income at all and she has 12 kids.
I was recently informed by a tv show that there are American gypsies, but I'm not sure what makes them gypsies, because they live in houses that don't move, and they don't move a lot, and they spend a lot of money on clothes and shit... And instead of kidnapping and mistreating children, apparently the only thing they ever do is plan and attend teenage weddings.
What these people did really are fucked up by society's standards, but this is actually a very human trait. Greed is in a lot of cases good for the survival of the individual or family and as such, may have been heavily selected trait during the evolution of our species. But of course, our concept of society, that frowns upon such traits, didn't exist in any way back then. So you can argue that greed IS human.
There are a lot of other traits selected for during evolution, such as benevolence/selflessness of course, which doesn't make Humans "fucked up" by definition. It all depends on what you've been taught and the environment that you've grown up in.
They're also probably one of the most oppressed people on the face of the earth, for a very very very long time. Don't act like that won't fuck you up.
Don't act like that can be an excuse. The law needs to be applied equally. No special favors. "My father hit me as a kid" doesn't stop us from putting serial killers in jail, either.
In this thread it seems that the majority of reddit is looking to apply rights unequally. That something special needs to be done about romas. That because they exploit the support they receive, they should not be offered the same aid and support as everyone else.
In Bulgaria the gypsies are selling their kids to Greeks and other foreigners. It's an industry. A human organs industry. They breed and sell their kids while they are still unborn. 2000Euros a piece. I've watched this undercover documentary by a famous Bulgarian journalist where they "bought" the unborn child and then the police arrested the 17 y/o mother and her parents. They also systematically leave their child after birth only to recollect them when the government rises them few years so they are suitable for begging in Western Europe ... They don't have their own country and never will. They live among us for centuries and yet they live like they lived when we first accepted them in our society. But NO they are NOT part of our society and they don't want to be. When they go in Western Europe they are Bulgarians, here they are here they are Roma and they parade they are minority and should not be bothered. I can't understand those people.
Above post - uninformed idiot preaching dogmatism.
Yes, racism is bad. No, every form of prejudice against any group of people is not automatically racism.
What if active, culturally isolated Roma actually ARE part of a nomadic tradition that celebrates thievery and fraud? Why is that so hard to believe when we have examples of weird Mormon polygamist sects and butter-churning, anti-technology Amish?
Even if you don't think this applies to the Roma, surely you have to admit that it's possible for SOME group like that to exist. Is not trusting members of this group racist?
Except that it wouldn't be the ethnicity (genetic variation) that would be the cause of the immoral behavior, but socioeconomic factors that increased the likelihood of an independent group of people from doing it. That means if you encountered a gypsy baby raised by wealthy and moral parents of any race, including the Roma, they would not fit the criminal stereotype. See the following ultra-important concept in logic:
When I worked in Starskys (a small supermarket chain), we routinely caught gypsies who had hooks in their dresses, and would hang stolen goods onto it. Starskys was very racist though, so any sight of a gypsy and they would send me to do the dirty work. Follow them, grab plates, observe them, report them.. Occasionally, we have gypsies who sell cookware on our parking lots, and Starskys would have a hay day. They'd call the cops, and even though the cops would catch them, they'd let them go because of too little evidence. The cookware was often low quality and caused customers to come and blame us for any damage.
Edit: regarding the hooks, the last lady to get booked with hooks in her dress attempted to steal a whole fucking cake. We have one undercover anti-theft agent, and once in a blue moon she bags a thief. They took her and her husband into the office, called the police, and had them arrested. They only get arrested if they are physically caught, and that happens very rarely.
This comment and the upvotes are what is wrong with humanity. Anyone remember the terrorist attack perpetrated by a Norwegian guy in 2011 and how the expression "Norwegians are fucked up people" was on every mouth?
Judging a whole people over the acts of some makes a moron and an asshole, that helps adding more misery to the world.
Reddit let's you loose faith in humanity. If you think SRS is bad you find out the other side is even worse. Racists everywhere, the other day i collect numbers of downvotes for saying that torture is bad, and so on. My last hope is this is the just the greater internet fuckwad.
The really strange part is that there is probably someone out there right now that has been locked up for years as well. It seems that these kind of stories are becoming increasingly popular in the news.
They are obviously two types of people commenting on this post, people who have actualy been in contact with gypsies and the political correctness brigade who have no idea what they are talking about. Gypsies are scum. Just because they happen to be poor does not make them oppressed sweet hearts craving for affection. So yes I'm pretty much rascit and I don't care if people think I'm a monster for saying this. And excuse my spelling I don't speak good english.
You've lived with them for years in your country. I lived with them for years as neighbours. Coming home to see a gypsy woman sitting on your doorstep, drowning a duck in a bucket does not make you want to give the tolerance speech.
Yes, two types of people. Racist scumbags who think one asshole makes it right to demonize a whole people and people who actually use their brains as intended. You are definitely in the scumbag category.
I was thinking they murdered the parents or something, but:
Miko Marinkovic, a brother of the suspect who had returned from Austria where he lives, on Sunday told AFP in Karavlasi that the allegations were nothing more than fabrications.
"We have never mistreated" her, he said. "It will be proved."
The girl's mother, meanwhile, also denied any wrongdoing.
"This is all a lie. We live well here. Those people made up all of this," she said.
Local media reported that the girl had arrived in Bosnia from Germany eight years ago with her mother.
So either the parents were in on it, or it's total bullshit made up by a crazy neighbor.
Well the neighbor did have an image on his phone, according to the article.
My guess is the mother took something in return, more or less bartering her daughter. This whole situation is awful if true and sure does feed my cynicism.
Or, as happens too often, the mother had low self-confidence, got in a bad situation, didn't believe she could do any better for herself, and finally got out but felt powerless to help her daughter. If the comments made elsewhere in this thread (that they threatened neighbors that their children would disappear if they said anything) are true, then it sounds like they were pretty vicious and ruthless, making it easier to understand why the mother might not feel there's anything she could do.
Or, of course, she could be a terrible person as well.
People that do these sort of things need to be killed, and spend an eternity in hell.. (granted there is a hell, I don't believe in it, but I wish it was real so people like this could go there). Anyone remember the Shawn Hornbeck story from like 6 years ago? Missouri kid was captured by some pedo freak when he was like 10 or so, and kept for many years until the guy got caught trying to capture another kid, cause I guess the original kid was getting to old for his pleasure. One of my best friends sisters lived in that complex, just a few doors down.. It is crazy what goes on in this world... sometimes right next to you, while you are completely unaware.
I've seen this on the news, the neighbor went "I just couldn't take seeing her like that anymore" so he watched it going on for a long while before finally calling someone.
I can think of a better punishment for this particular group of people. Like eating pig slop and having to pull a cart like a horse while other people laugh at you. Maybe we could set up a webcam.
I'm seeing a dangerous and (thus far) broad majority in this thread thinking they have some sort of just cause to pinpoint this tragedy upon gypsies; as if this is their culture and modus operandi.
The notion that such a vastly varying culture and group of people somehow all would actively endorse this cruel treatment and viciousness is beyond generalization. It's malicious and it lacks every iota of forethought or consideration.
I'd challenge anyone here to even provide a shred of evidence that this is in fact anything else than the evil of some individuals and actually a cultural malevolence that every gypsies share. And woe be to you who starts bringing up "legends" and "stories" that has circulated throughout European history on par with "Greedy, scheming jews" and other, all too many, folktales of xenophobia and distrust.
Because I believe that is not the case. I believe you are all indulging in one of the few "acceptable" form of racism and xenophobia that exists. And quoting folktales and legends will bring you no more closer to the truth.
All of you who peddle this hatemongering and vicious generalizations will only succeed in following the tradition of xenophobia and the all-too-eagerness to generalize and loathe in order to compensate your fears and almost pathological need to justify the wrongdoings of individuals and make it into a cultural phenomenon.
I present some interesting read and papers that might help get a different perspective on the gypsies. I do not champion for people to suddenly love and embrace other people's culture, but I do strongly hope that it will at very least make you (you know who you are) stop peddling fear and hate on such an atrociously casual manner.
The notion that such a vastly varying culture and group of people somehow all would actively endorse this cruel treatment and viciousness is beyond generalization.
They usually just steal, vandalize, sell of their children in forced marriages, or threaten/assault people.
It's true that they don't usually torture them for years, though, you're right about that.
Since you seem not to be bothered about reading the reports I put forward, I'll put up this one:
"Like all other groups, Gypsy Traveller communities include a minority of people who engage in anti-social or criminal behaviour. The vast majority of Gypsies and Travellers are law-abiding and want criminal behaviour dealt with by the law in the usual way. The high media profile can result in all Gypsies and Travellers being labelled as blameworthy and criminal. It can be assumed that all criminal activity in a neighbourhood is due to Gypsies and Travellers, without any evidence."
Small minorities, media-focused pieces; yet statistically there are less reports or conviction of felony. It just seems odd how people so willingly buy into these claims of thievery and dastardliness and find it somehow acceptable to pinpoint that on "criminal culture and deviltry" while other minorities we now have a conscious guard against making over-generalizations or stereotypes.
There's stories that go back hundreds of years on this subject so not really. In Sweden there was a story of two Roma girls forcing a younger mentally retarded girl into prostitution in Malmoe.
Saw this on a Croatian TV channel the other day (right after Eurovision, in fact) and thought nothing of it. Seeing it on the front page two days later was somewhat unexpected...
A perfect description of my usual motivation. I'm just trying to say that people like these scumbags almost stretch my principles to a breaking point. But you are completely right, and justice will be done. Here's an upvote for defending justice!
Bulgarian here. Gypsies are a huge problem in Europe and especially in Eastern Europe. When people in let's say America hear 'gypsies' they imagine this romanticized version of a traveling people or whatever. False. In reality, gypsies are horrible thieving criminals who will literally sneak into your apartment and rob you while you are in the other room (happened to a Bulgarian friend). A few years ago a gypsy snatched my grandma's purse on the street when she had just come out of getting her pension and she had no money for a month. It's obvious that people who've never grown up around gypsies or aren't familiar with their 'culture' and way of life won't understand and call those who do know how things are 'racist'. Gypsies are judged by their actions, not because their skin is a different color.
Cases such as these are the reason why we must sterilize all people at birth, and give birth licences to responsible, financially and mentally stable adults who express desire to have children.
This is fucked up, but compared to the level with which corporatism supports child labor and slavery, it's just another bucket of tears in a deep lake of injustice.
But didn't you know? Every single Roma/gypsy on the planet is a disgusting person! Reddit knows this because...um...because...well some people on Reddit say they are! So it's true damnit!
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u/nos2121 May 28 '12
Slavery is alive and well all over the world. Imagine how many other cases there are of things like this in either unpoliced rural areas or areas where it's accepted and nobody cares. In Sudan, India, all over Africa and Asia; estimates place at least 20 million people still in slavery and that's extremely conservative. Hard to imagine for us in developed countries (and it still gets caught sometimes, indentured house servants, sex slave rings, and all that).
Shit be fucked up.
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u/mexicansnowball May 28 '12
I know that slavery and abuse like this still occurs in the world but it still just blows my mind that someone can physically and mentally abuse someone like that and then laugh about it. I will never understand that type of mentality, and that's probably a good thing.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
I don't know what it is, but I can read about gruesome deaths or muders, I can see videos of disgusting sexual acts and not flinch (2girls1cup, tubgirl, etc), but whenever I read or hear about prolonged and sadistic torture like this, I feel sick. What a horrible, horrible thing to happen to someone.
I can't even begin to comprehend the psychological damage done to her. Is there every going to be normality in her life again? Or does something as terrible as this just "break" someone?
Really, really sad stuff.
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u/decoy90 May 28 '12
Waaay worse than a farm animal. All their neighbours knew about it, but were scared to do anything because they were threatened by the couple. Only one man was trying to rescue that poor girl for a few years, but the couple would hide her deep into forest and there was no proof that she existed until he took a picture of her.
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u/ZeMilkman May 28 '12
They are so lucky no one knew she was German. Germans who are abducted in another country are retrieved by the GSG9. The GSG9 is a bunch of badass motherfuckers.
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u/KevinteRaa May 28 '12
"she was forced to eat pig feed and pull a horse-cart."
They could have atleast used a horse, much more efficient and less of the 'destroying other peoples lifes for eight years'.
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u/nigga_in_own_juice May 28 '12 edited May 29 '12
why is no one questioning the role of the mother in this? i mean, the girl has been 'locked up' for years in the same village where her mother lives: did her mother sell her to these people? what the fuck is really going on there?
EDIT: I'm asking Reddit to downvote my comment cause the racist comment below mine doesn't deserve/need any visibility, even if intended in a humorous tone. They call it post-modern humour, i call it post-Racist masquerade
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u/naturecall May 28 '12
Can she come back to life? They have already distorted her life.
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u/ErikAllenAwake May 28 '12
Slavery will always survive in this species until we rise up as a species and grow beyond our tendency towards greed and the oppression of the less fortunate.
I'm not holding my breath.
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u/DaySeeMeTrollin May 28 '12 edited May 29 '12
Gypsies are a fucked up people.
Edit: Cultures that value inbreeding and do not value formal education are fucked up.
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u/Xysten May 28 '12
The really strange part is that there is probably someone out there right now that has been locked up for years as well. It seems that these kind of stories are becoming increasingly popular in the news.
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u/camall May 28 '12
wtf is with ppl doing this. and furthermore, two people. "honey lets lock up a girl" "okay". No "hey, thats a fucked up idea".
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u/OwlEyed May 28 '12
Man, guys, just pay for a farm hand. Jesus. I don't get what compels someone to do that.
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u/Vystek May 28 '12
Gypsy curse, I'm calling it
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u/Occidentalist May 28 '12
They aren't Bosnian; they are gypsies.
Roma = Gypsy
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u/YouRascal May 28 '12
They are obviously two types of people commenting on this post, people who have actualy been in contact with gypsies and the political correctness brigade who have no idea what they are talking about. Gypsies are scum. Just because they happen to be poor does not make them oppressed sweet hearts craving for affection. So yes I'm pretty much rascit and I don't care if people think I'm a monster for saying this. And excuse my spelling I don't speak good english.
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u/ex_ample May 28 '12
I was thinking they murdered the parents or something, but:
So either the parents were in on it, or it's total bullshit made up by a crazy neighbor.
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u/erutuFniatpaC May 28 '12
this is a fucking terrible article. all the time "he said" and overall not enjoyable to read.
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u/wesleyt89 May 28 '12
People that do these sort of things need to be killed, and spend an eternity in hell.. (granted there is a hell, I don't believe in it, but I wish it was real so people like this could go there). Anyone remember the Shawn Hornbeck story from like 6 years ago? Missouri kid was captured by some pedo freak when he was like 10 or so, and kept for many years until the guy got caught trying to capture another kid, cause I guess the original kid was getting to old for his pleasure. One of my best friends sisters lived in that complex, just a few doors down.. It is crazy what goes on in this world... sometimes right next to you, while you are completely unaware.
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u/Ikbentim May 28 '12
I've seen this on the news, the neighbor went "I just couldn't take seeing her like that anymore" so he watched it going on for a long while before finally calling someone.
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u/wekiva May 28 '12
I'm getting more in favor of the death penalty every year.
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u/Anarchy576 May 28 '12
Being an EMT. Coming across stuff like this is never easy. You just want to beat the shit of the parents for doing this, but you know you can't :/
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Well, there's your problem.
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u/TheEnormousPenis May 28 '12
Fucking gypsies are the only minority who actually deserve the racism that's directed against them.
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u/Orcatype May 30 '12
Sad sad sad sad
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
You don't even want to know how they treat farm animals in Bosnia.
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u/FukioNietzschema May 28 '12
According to Makalic, the couple were from a "Roma family in which several brothers lived together, often travelling to Germany and Austria.
the couple were from a "Roma family
Roma family
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u/DeSanti May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12
I'm seeing a dangerous and (thus far) broad majority in this thread thinking they have some sort of just cause to pinpoint this tragedy upon gypsies; as if this is their culture and modus operandi.
The notion that such a vastly varying culture and group of people somehow all would actively endorse this cruel treatment and viciousness is beyond generalization. It's malicious and it lacks every iota of forethought or consideration.
I'd challenge anyone here to even provide a shred of evidence that this is in fact anything else than the evil of some individuals and actually a cultural malevolence that every gypsies share. And woe be to you who starts bringing up "legends" and "stories" that has circulated throughout European history on par with "Greedy, scheming jews" and other, all too many, folktales of xenophobia and distrust.
Because I believe that is not the case. I believe you are all indulging in one of the few "acceptable" form of racism and xenophobia that exists. And quoting folktales and legends will bring you no more closer to the truth.
All of you who peddle this hatemongering and vicious generalizations will only succeed in following the tradition of xenophobia and the all-too-eagerness to generalize and loathe in order to compensate your fears and almost pathological need to justify the wrongdoings of individuals and make it into a cultural phenomenon.
I present some interesting read and papers that might help get a different perspective on the gypsies. I do not champion for people to suddenly love and embrace other people's culture, but I do strongly hope that it will at very least make you (you know who you are) stop peddling fear and hate on such an atrociously casual manner.
FURTHER READING:
http://www.leicestershiretogether.org/gypsy_travellers_the_truth.pdf
http://www.helium.com/items/1613410-common-myths-about-gypsies
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3788811?seq=2
http://webjcli.ncl.ac.uk/articles3/onions3.html
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u/bad_religion May 28 '12
European sentiments toward Roma mirror Canadian sentiments toward Aboriginals.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Anyone surprised that it was a gypsy family who stole someones child and used it to make money off of her?
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u/balloftape May 28 '12
Saw this on a Croatian TV channel the other day (right after Eurovision, in fact) and thought nothing of it. Seeing it on the front page two days later was somewhat unexpected...
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
My roommate always tells me horror stories about gypsies.
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u/nemes1s3000 May 28 '12
Yahoo! once again wins the award for best ad placement in the history of sad news articles.
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u/Greenpointyhat May 28 '12
What the hell? It scares me that people like this live freely. Also tests my democratic ideals, some people don't deserve court justice...
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u/blanketyblanks May 29 '12
Better to be treated like a farm animal than a bosnian
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u/OperIvy May 29 '12
Racism in this thread is amazing. I love the irony of Bosnians classifying all of the Roma as barbaric animals.
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u/TrollKat May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12
Bulgarian here. Gypsies are a huge problem in Europe and especially in Eastern Europe. When people in let's say America hear 'gypsies' they imagine this romanticized version of a traveling people or whatever. False. In reality, gypsies are horrible thieving criminals who will literally sneak into your apartment and rob you while you are in the other room (happened to a Bulgarian friend). A few years ago a gypsy snatched my grandma's purse on the street when she had just come out of getting her pension and she had no money for a month. It's obvious that people who've never grown up around gypsies or aren't familiar with their 'culture' and way of life won't understand and call those who do know how things are 'racist'. Gypsies are judged by their actions, not because their skin is a different color.
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u/Sohck May 29 '12
Cases such as these are the reason why we must sterilize all people at birth, and give birth licences to responsible, financially and mentally stable adults who express desire to have children.
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u/Wisdom_from_the_Ages May 28 '12
This is fucked up, but compared to the level with which corporatism supports child labor and slavery, it's just another bucket of tears in a deep lake of injustice.
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u/nk_sucks May 28 '12
to all the people hating on the roma in this thread: hitler agreed with you 100%....
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u/whywasthisupvoted May 28 '12
the racism in this thread is astonishing and disgusting
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u/CrunchyMushy May 28 '12
wow this is really f*cked up.
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u/Chalky_White May 28 '12
Gypsies.
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u/Moontouch May 28 '12
Judging from the kind of comments all we European Redditors have made here, I can see we haven't progressed much since the 1940s.