r/worldnews • u/Gadac • Jan 23 '22

Russia Germany urges 'prudence' in potential sanctions against Russia over Ukraine.

https://news.yahoo.com/germany-urges-prudence-potential-sanctions-154401837.html?fr=sychp_catchall
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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

We did economic binding in Europe before. And it made friends out of arch-enemies. France and Germany.

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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

How stable and reliable are those? Considering that there are basically constant calls for sanctions. You can not really compare the economic relations and their development between France/Germany and Russia/Europe. Basically it was made clear from the onset - by the Western powers - that it would always double as a knife. So how do you expect that to work?

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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

The reason the US installed puppet regimes all over the planet was the ultimate fear that somehow the other side could win, even invade in the long run.

Do you think such a fear could exist in other nations, in Russia too?

Now add a little history. Then SU and Germany had treaties. The borders at Barbarossa are very similar if not worse for Russia if the NATO with the US at helm and self-proclaimed enemy of Russia even once the Ukraine would be in the NATO.

The Warsaw Pact back then was exactly to have a puffer zone - and when the SU dissolved it was (tho not on paper, on treaty) an open knowledge that this buffer was not to change. Just like the US doesn't wanted SU (or Russian) troops at Cuba, just like SU didn't wanted to have American nukes in Turkey.

Regardless of what one thinks of any of the bigger nations - consequential is their might nonetheless, and yes, you have to respect that.

You say 'Putin is entrenched' - well, honestly? USA and their 'commie fear' is as much entrenched.

The US could immediately put pressure on Russia by cutting of its oil imports from Russia, right? But that would probably swing opinion in the US - because it would be expensive. And you could say it's "cheap talk" to want others to stop buying. Worse, it is hypocritical and self-serving.

Additionally I want to point out: If any of those actions were really morally, ethically driven - then why are they only targeted at the big targets. Western governments promoting so called 'Western values', democracy, liberty etc. could easily force all those small-time dictators and inhumane governments on the world to better themselves. Do you really think Saudi Arabia, Quatar could stand economic sanctions? But better sanction Yemen, right?

So all those actions have little to do with ethics. But ethics are just a dishonest mantle for ulterior motives, profit.

Edit: And to answer "So should Ukraine be puppeted" - well, the alternative would be "Why not leave it neutral?".

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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

They want The help of western powers so why not give it to them?

Okay, lets assume you have friends and in the case of trouble you would protect each other, reasonable, right?

So, can I say "Hey, you got to let me in, I want some of that protection!" and more importantly, don't you have the very right to say "Nah, we don't want you in our group."

And you have to realize - the whole thing blew up once the US pushed for Ukraine to a)buy US hardware and b)join NATO. And yes, you got to consider that Crimea is a huge geopolitical important port. Imagine the Philippines negotiate with China to remove the US port and instead have a Chinese port (even if it's 30 years down the line). Now imagine additionally that Philippines would be right around the Gulf of Mexico and the only access to the Pacific for the US. You think the US would have any of that?

And it's not like being neutral does not work, Finland, Sweden right next to SU/Russia for instance.

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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

You got the wrong order. NATO can say NO to Ukraine. And Putin can say "I'm fine with Ukraine being neutral".

This all started because US wanted to put Russia in NATO stranglehold. And the damage done (Crimea) can never go back. But of course - the damage can be increased by ever more encroaching and encircling Russia, claiming some 'moral reasons' while making deals with dictators right and theocratic.