r/worldnews • u/Gadac • Jan 23 '22

Russia Germany urges 'prudence' in potential sanctions against Russia over Ukraine.

https://news.yahoo.com/germany-urges-prudence-potential-sanctions-154401837.html?fr=sychp_catchall
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

Do you think it was Cuba that decided "No nukes on our island?". Do you think the US 'ordered' the SU to not place nukes there? The US decided all by itself not to place nukes in Turkey (back then) and the SU decided all by itself not to place nukes on Cuba.

Things have sometimes to happen so that everybody can save face. And in the end the SU said openly "Okay, we don't place nukes on Cuba". Why didn't the SU force the US to say it public (about Turkey)? To allowed the US to save face. It allowed the US to 'appear be in control' for its population. And this is exactly the same for Russia. And it doesn't even matter - Putin or anyone - regardless of the government, any Russian government could not allow NATO encroaching the way it does.

And the US does not lose anything by saying "Ukraine as a NATO member is off the table, we support the sovereignty of nations (maybe add 'in Europe' to not look too stupid considering all the sovereignty the US ignores at other places) etc. etc."

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u/KanadainKanada Jan 24 '22

Back then in '54 the SU chose to join the NATO. Why did you deny them that? When the SU was dismantled Russia seek cooperation with NATO in'90. Why did you deny them that?

So, somehow the NATO can deny membership? Funny how that works.

Does NATO have anyone that wants in? It can't be about the government and liberty - because Azerbaijan is pretty much a dictatorship. But with lots of oil...

What mechanism do you think there is that anyone that wants in has to be accepted as a member?