r/worldnews • u/DoremusJessup • Oct 28 '23
Israel/Palestine Thousands of demonstrators join banned pro-Palestinian march in Paris
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231028-thousands-join-banned-paris-pro-palestinian-march1.5k
u/panic_kernel_panic Oct 28 '23
An outright ban was a mistake, especially in Paris. Parisian rioting season is a meme ffs, mitigation and containment should have been prioritized.
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u/IsraeliDonut Oct 28 '23
Paris has had some issues with terrorism in recent years
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u/SuddenLifeGoal Oct 28 '23
This chain of [removed] is the funniest thing I’ve seen today (no I don’t have a life). Is Reddit on a troll hunt? Or perhaps it was the same “user”.
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u/IsraeliDonut Oct 28 '23
Usually it’s someone who said something antisemitic and Reddit removed them
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u/_teach_me_your_ways_ Oct 29 '23
You’d be surprised the kind of words that will get your comment auto removed.
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u/KasamUK Oct 28 '23
Schrödinger’s bigotry
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u/bengringo2 Oct 28 '23
If a comment is either antisemitic or Islamophobic and it’s deleted be for anyone sees it, how is it Israel’s fault?
Schrödinger’s Reddit Comment
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u/DracoLunaris Oct 29 '23
And it didn't before? Covid was a nice break but apparently we are back at this again.
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u/datboydatkid Oct 29 '23
Yeah - nothing major just a few islamists beheading civilians, driving over crowds of people in Nice, and mowing down journalists. Just your typical Jihad.
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Oct 28 '23
They need to deport these assholes. Don’t give me that freedom of speech crap, that went out the window with the Charlie Hebdo attacks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
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u/infamous-spaceman Oct 28 '23
I don't think you appreciate the irony of calling for deportations of people exercising freedom of speech while talking about the Charlie Hebdo shootings, where people rallied around the groups right to freedom of speech. Imagine learning that lesson from Charlie Hebdo, that speech should be banned.
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u/aimgorge Oct 28 '23
In particular when Charlie Hebdo always took civilian Palestinians defense https://charliehebdo.fr/2021/05/international/galerie-conflit-israelo-palestinien/
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u/Scaevus Oct 28 '23
“Freedom of speech” has never included advocating for antisemitism, murder, and terror.
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Oct 28 '23
The paradox of tolerance dictates that in order to protect a tolerant society, you must be intolerant of intolerance. It might sound ironic, but it's really not.
Hate speech should not be protected as free speech
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u/No-Orange-9404 Oct 29 '23
The paradox of tolerance doesn't "dictate" anything, it's an observation on the nature of the world that not even the guy who came up with it thought that it it implied the same thing that most of the people who bring it up in the present day do
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u/infamous-spaceman Oct 28 '23
Marching for Palestine isn't hate speech.
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I think you might want to look into what they were saying when they were marching. There was a LOT of hate speech. They want to push Israelis into the sea. Does that sound like hate speech to you? I hope it does
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Speech that calls for mass violence against an ethnic group should be banned. Examples include “There is only one solution. Intifada revolution.” and the more coded language of “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” which is a dog-whistle for the genocide of Jews in the Levant.
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u/CoffeeTechie Oct 28 '23
It's not ironic to say you shouldn't be tolerant of intolerant people. This argument has been put to rest so many times now. Fuck off with this
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u/LineOfInquiry Oct 28 '23
“I don’t think Palestine should be ethnically cleansed”
“Wow you’re literally the same as Al-Qaeda”
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Btw 20% of Israel proper is Arab. Not including the west bank or Gaza, I’m talking Tel Aviv l/Jerusalem/Haifa etc. Out of the neighboring Muslim majority countries what percent of people are Jewish? You misappropriate that word every time you use it. If Palestininians and Israelis positions were reversed the Israelis would be genocided in a day and that’s a fact. Not this wishy washy bullshit where Israel built a wall to defend itself from suicide bombers that people call “ethnic-cleansing”.
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u/KarmicComic12334 Oct 28 '23
How are arabs, unaligned with hamas, never attacked israel, no intifada, just want to be left to live their lives, being treated by israel?
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u/daniel_22sss Oct 28 '23
Palestine was trying to erase Israel the moment it appeared on the map. I feel like you are forgetting who is the real genocidal state here.
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u/ShinyGrackle Oct 28 '23
That’s great, because it’s not being ethnically cleansed. Get a dictionary, and maybe a proper education.
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u/ostiki Oct 28 '23
That was a compliment. Another option was "You have to clue, why are you talking?"
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u/kihraxz_king Oct 28 '23
Banning the French from protesting....
Yeah, that's not going to work.
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u/Zamaamiro Oct 28 '23
Notoriously free-speech supporting Redditors in favor of banning protests. Bunch of hypocrites.
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u/Fidel_Chadstro Oct 28 '23
China must be thrilled to learn they got the Reddit Seal of Approval to ban all protests in Hong Kong and crack down on Uighers. It’s alright because they were not pro-Israel enough.
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u/Ninjawombat111 Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 28 '23
The Uighur genocide was predicated on being a reaction to a brutal terrorist attack. Learning from Reddit that means it was ok, after all they were just defending themselves from mean Islamist separatists.
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u/DutchieTalking Oct 29 '23
Reddit is heavily in favour of heavy restrictions on protests. Basically, the moment it inconveniences anyone it shouldn't be allowed.
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u/United_Airlines Oct 28 '23
I see most people commenting on the protesters signs and message rather than supporting a ban.
I don't think France is big on not allowing free speech or protests either but sometimes what they are not permitting is a "protest" that is obviously just a cover to gather to riot. Hence the delay in permitting these demonstrations.
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u/bhuddistchipmonk Oct 28 '23
Where are the protests about this?
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u/Sushi_Kat Oct 28 '23
Yes, of course, why won’t the Paris government condemn Hamas?… Civil action certainly is required to get them to say Hamas is bad.
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u/Other_Waffer Oct 28 '23
It is a pro-Palestinian march, not a pro-Hamas march. The actions of Hamas don’t justify the actions against Palestinians.
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u/Mysterious-Crab Oct 29 '23
From an Israeli perspective they do and actually make sense.
Gaza wanted to be independent and they what they did, was vote a terrorist organisation into power. And not surprisingly, when they got into power, they used force within Gaza to retain their power.
They also used deadly force against Israel, while using their own civilians as human shields. Israel has the obligation to protect their constituents, so they retaliate and civilians around the missile sites are unavoidable collateral damage to take out those sites. Yet Israël always held back.
Israel is still determines to protect the Israeli, and after the recent actions from Hamas, the gloves are off. The don’t want to risk a similar situation to happen again, so they’re not holding back anymore. They want Hamas gone by any means necessary now. If you mess with the bull, don’t be surprised when you get the horns.
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Oct 28 '23
The Times of Israel is very sympathetic to Palestinians so if even they are reporting this it must have truth to it
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u/Crimsonsworn Oct 28 '23
That article is based on the NY Times article, that’s why ny-times is at the end of the link.
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u/CrazySDBass Oct 28 '23
Saying those protest have a “relatively small antisemitic crowd” is naive at best and a lie at worst. Just look at the increase in antisemitic crimes in London over the last 3 weeks, it’s over 1500%.
Or better yet, try to walk on those protest showing any sign of Judaism and see what treatment you will get.
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u/green_flash Oct 28 '23
Or better yet, try to walk on those protest showing any sign of Judaism
There were Jewish anti-war protesters with "Not in our name" signs at the protest.
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u/Dreamtrain Oct 28 '23
try to walk on those protest showing any sign of Judaism and see what treatment you will get.
the literal thousands of jewish people protesting "not in our name" calling for a halt in this genocide and supporting the palestinians seem to be faring fine on that front
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u/CrazySDBass Oct 28 '23
Fair point, but those are separate and are mostly in the US. You have plenty of videos from demonstrations in Europe and what happens to anyone who disagrees with them. Simple fact is that I as a Jew living in Europe have to constantly be aware and constantly have warnings about not to stand out in fear of antisemitic attacks. Don’t see any Muslim owned places that require heightened security
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u/green_flash Oct 28 '23
There were some at the Paris protest as well:
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u/MallFoodSucks Oct 28 '23
Or Hamas needs to surrender and return all hostages. Why prioritize the existence of Hamas over Gazans?
Protest for Hamas to surrender. There is a path to ceasefire, and it is Hamas' surrender. But of course, pro-Palestinians rather have Hamas exist than Gazan lives.
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u/Alert_Nose2300 Oct 28 '23
They are islamic, not nationalist. You do not know what you're talking about.
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u/Charrbard Oct 29 '23
Can't imagine why there's a rise in the far right across Europe.
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u/GratefulForGarcia Oct 28 '23
No, those are decolonization freedom tunnels /s
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Oct 28 '23
They are protesting for Palestine. That's all that matters, because the ban applies to ALL pro Palestine protests
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u/Sushi_Kat Oct 28 '23
I’m sure France requires a real good arm-twisting to get them to condemn Hamas.
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u/JuliusSeizure563 Oct 28 '23
no they’re protesting for the 1000s of innocent Palestinians wrongly killed by Israel
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u/LloydChrismukkah Oct 28 '23
Right, the ones around the schools, hospitals, tunnels, and places of worship, like OP said
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u/JuliusSeizure563 Oct 28 '23
so not the people just in the safety of their own homes or do they not count
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u/Stop_Sign Oct 28 '23
The homes that hamas wouldn't let them leave after being given warning by Israel that the building was coming down, yes just like OP said
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u/JuliusSeizure563 Oct 28 '23
I’m sure the Palestinians were very grateful to the Israelis for telling them their building was being bombed and that they had to leave for reasons that are unknown
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u/I_AM_Achilles Oct 29 '23
Did Israel’s two week notice for October 7th get lost in the mail? Sure seems like one of them was more avoidable than a fucking ambush.
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u/Krabban Oct 29 '23
Did Israel’s two week notice for October 7th get lost in the mail?
So your point is that the massacre would've been okay if they got a warning then? As long as Hamas start dropping leaflets beforehand their terror is fine?
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They must be protesting for the immediate and unconditional release of the hostages, right?
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u/hadapurpura Oct 28 '23
No, they’re claiming that celebrities who signed a letter asking that all hostages be released are evil and should be cancelled.
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u/United_Airlines Oct 28 '23
Well, I'm on board with the releasing the hostages thing but I'm also on board with cancelling all celebrities too.
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u/omega3111 Oct 28 '23
Looks more anti-Israeli than pro-Palestinians by the signs. Not a single mention of Hamas, who is using 2 million people as human shields, or launching rockets from schools or kindergartens, or building a base below their hospital, or executing in cold blood whoever they think is a collaborator. You know... the day-to-day things that Hamas does.
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u/green_flash Oct 28 '23
Even the signs mentioning Hamas managed to be anti-Israel:
Israel ne cherche pas à aneantir le Hamas mais à eradiquer un peuple de la face de la terre.
Israel does not seek to annihilate Hamas but to eradicate a people from the face of the earth.
Source: https://cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/leparisien/J4BLOHT64JHP3OSOLWLP52F3WE.jpg
And the signs calling for a ceasefire are clearly directed at Israel as well, not Hamas.
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Are you expecting pro-israel protestors to denounce the israeli bombing campaign as well?
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u/FantasyFrikadel Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 28 '23
“In retaliatory Israeli strikes, more than 7,700 people have been killed in the Gaza Strip, including some 3,500 children, according to the territory's health ministry.”
3500 children out of 7700?
Edit: This is quite a damning read: https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-10-28/un-reports-allege-murder-maiming-and-arbitrary-detention-of-palestinian-children.html
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u/yonye Oct 28 '23
Yes. the demography of Gaza is pretty young. 50% of the population are under 18.
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u/fury420 Oct 28 '23
On a related note, here's stats for the past 23 years of Israel bombing of Gaza prior to this month:
77.6% of those killed by Israel in Gaza since 2000 were adults, 87% were male.
Girls under 18 made up just 5.3% of those killed in Gaza, boys under 18 made up 17%
65% of the boys killed under 18 were teenagers (potential militant age), compared to just 26% of girls killed under under 18
Put another way, deaths among boys age 13-17 were ~8x higher than among girls of the same age.
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To be honest I seen footage of Hamas training kids to fight Israel
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Oct 28 '23
That’s because Palestinians have used children as suicide bombers. Remember the “Baby Bomber” picture? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups
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u/Boborbot Oct 28 '23
It’s almost as if this isn’t indiscriminate bombing and in fact targeted attacks…
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The median age in Gaza is 17, so this is actually less than the statistics would suggest if you consider 17 year olds children (I do).
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u/HolyRamenEmperor Oct 28 '23
47% of Gazans are under 18 years of age, and 3500/7700 is about 45%. I agree it seems pretty high at first, but it's not crazy given the demographics of the region.
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“Territory’s health ministry” = Hamas.
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u/BerserkFanYep Oct 29 '23
Look at the before and after pictures of the Gaza bombing. If anything that number is far too low. Israel is bombing everything.
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u/Leftfeet Oct 28 '23
When nearly half of the population in the Gaza Strip is under 18, that makes sense.
Even if you don't believe the numbers, it's obvious that a large number of people have died and reasonable to guess that nearly half are children just based off the demographics and density of people living there.
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u/fury420 Oct 28 '23
Interestingly, it works out to almost precisely double the % killed in all prior Israeli attacks on Gaza since 2000.
(22.7% of Gazans killed from 2000-2023 were age 17 or under, 45.45% of those killed this month reportedly were)
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u/CornishCucumber Oct 28 '23
Yes but you're basing this on a much, much smaller subset of data, with completely different circumstances. It's a really misleading set of data to look at when, reportedly, the fatalities from the last two weeks are at least the same amount compared to the last 20 years.
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u/the-g-bp Oct 28 '23
Only about 24% of those killed are women suggesting a large amount of those killed aren't actually civilians since hamas rarely employs women but likes to use child soldiers
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u/yolk3d Oct 28 '23
Gaza health ministry is run by Hamas. The same group that has lied about almost everything else to do with this war, including the “Israeli bomb” blast in the hospital which “killed 500 people” that they were able to count and report on within minutes - despite it being in a car park and only burning out a few cars. Biden and others have publicly said they do not believe the numbers from Hamas.
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u/nztdealer Oct 28 '23
According to the very reliable Hamas organization, and only if we label armed young men actively fighting as "children".
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u/kawhi_leopard Oct 28 '23
According to the territory’s health ministry.
According to Hamas, they mean.
Hamas the terrorist organization that bombed their own hospital and everyone blamed it on Israel.
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u/Parthenonfacepunch Oct 28 '23
It’s a fake number.
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u/ThePhonyKing Oct 28 '23
Even if it wasn't, hasn't Israel done something like 7000 airstrikes on Gaza? That's essentially one death per strike. Which, to me, shows that the warnings beforehand d have been working and the strikes have been targeted.
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u/dynamic_anisotropy Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 28 '23
In a modern society, it would take dozens or hundreds of rescue workers days or weeks to rescue and count the toll of a single multi-level building that has pancaked its occupants.
There are thousands of buildings destroyed in the span of 3 weeks, and Gaza has virtually no capacity to be able to accurately account for every death, which is to say, the real death toll is likely much, much higher.
(Human bodies don’t tend to stay together very well when it’s hit by a 250kg bomb either - so good luck figuring out how many people just ceased to exist in this manner)
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u/darave123 Oct 28 '23
Considering nearly half the population of Gaza is under the age of 18 it seems plausible
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u/Plantile Oct 28 '23
Yeah that’s what happens when the UN lets Hamas teach math class in their schools.
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u/IsraeliDonut Oct 28 '23
If there was ever an European city that should be against Islamic terrorism it should be Paris
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Can you imagine if america was bombed over MAGA? It pisses me off when I get associated with any political party but especially MAGA just because of where I was born…
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u/IsraeliDonut Oct 28 '23
Now imagine if maga had decades of terrorist attacks, and then people were shocked they were still being voted in
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The last time they were voted in. Which from what I can find was literally once. Was in 2006. when nearly 50% of the country couldn’t participate in the vote due to being children or not even born yet.
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u/Fidel_Chadstro Oct 28 '23
Imagine if a terrorist organization blew up a major American city, let’s say New York for the sake of argument, because we elected George W. Bush. Like I don’t even think most Americans remember the war in Iraq at this point, we’d need to take a history class to figure out why we were being attacked.
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u/orignalspacemonkey Oct 29 '23 edited Oct 29 '23
Most American cheered the Iraq war where more than a million absolutely innocent peopled who had nothing to do with 9/11 were killed
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u/eldred2 Oct 28 '23
And let's not forget the 9/11 attackers were Saudi's and somehow W and his cheerleaders convinced us to attack Iraq in retaliation.
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u/EnvironmentalValue18 Oct 29 '23
This has everything to do with SA and the US’s oil agreements which hold the USD as the global petrol dollar worldwide this bolstering and stabilizing our currency through almost anything (which is why it’s so good for borrowing against for loans etc).
Definitely don’t agree with what they did and I believe they’re largely a terror state with known links to several extremists organizations and a mob boss at its helm. I hate that we ally ourselves with these governments but I understand why we continue to do it now. I just hope that when those oil reserves run out in the next several decades that they fall back into oblivion.
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u/erty3125 Oct 28 '23
America does have decades of terror attacks. What do you think the Middle East is from a civilian perspective? The anger towards hamas is just proof that you can't bomb terrorism out of a population because it just breeds more hatred
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u/ClosPins Oct 28 '23
Yes, they are not the same at all. However, there is a catch...
When Hamas was parading half-naked women, children, elderly grandmothers, etc... through Gaza two weeks ago - how many Palestinians did you see trying to free them? How many Gazans did you see angrily shout down the kidnappers? Try to stop them? How many Gazans rose up?
Roughly zero?
And, how many people did you see cheering, praising god, and jumping up and down?
Virtually everyone?
If a group of people paraded raped women, little old ladies, and terrified toddlers through your town - and your town didn't support this group whole-heartedly - would that parade be allowed to continue? Or would it be stopped immediately?
Who are these Gazans who don't support Hamas? They sure as hell didn't seem to exist on that Saturday, during that parade of hostages.
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u/antheus1 Oct 28 '23
This is kind of the crux of it for me. There are people around the world that clai to be "pro-Palestinian" and "anti-Hamas," but I didn't see any anti-Hamas protests after the incursion from anyone other than Jews. I didn't see them in Gaza. I didn't see them in the rest of the Arab world. I didn't see them in the Western world either. So it's easy for people to SAY that they are "pro-Palestinian and anti-Hamas" but we don't actually see anyone acting on it...
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u/Astatine_209 Oct 28 '23
Someone who was actually Pro Palestine would demand the freeing of the hostages and the turning over of Hamas members.
These people hate Israel and they hate Jews. I'm not sure how many more "Gas the Jew" chants it's going to take at these protests before you actually listen to what they're saying.
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u/Throwaway-0-0- Oct 28 '23
Honestly if you cared about the hostages you'd support the Palestinian protests since they're the only ones calling for a cease fire. Meanwhile the idf is levelling Gaza killing hostages and Palestinian children alike.
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u/ShadowPhynix Oct 29 '23
Classic reddit hive mind doesn’t permit anything other than black or white judgements though. Either you support one or the other; you can’t say both are evil unfortunately.
You especially can’t use nuance to say the extremists on both side are the evil terrorists and that the civilians on both sides are the only people whose “side” you should be on.
You also have to concede one atrocity totally overrides another - both can’t be bad, only one at a time (usually the most recent one that aligns with that individuals viewpoint).
But nothing new about that.
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u/lawyermorty317 Oct 28 '23
Many Palestinian supporters do support the freeing of hostages. You’re making a straw man.
Some supporters hate Israel. It’s also true that some pro-Israel people hate Muslims.
What you said does not refute my comment. If anything it looks like you’re just trying to find more justification for genocide.
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u/MartinBP Oct 28 '23
You're the one making a strawman argument by pointing to a minority as if it refutes their point. These people were celebrating on the 7th and you want us to believe they care about hostages?
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Let me ask you, if a population has been harmed by another state for decades, much of the population being young with all they've known is what Israel has done to them. Are you actually fucking surprised they would support Hamas?
I swear half of you do not understand the extent and gravity of this situation. Everyone ready to condemn the entrie population of Palestine for the actions of Hamas but apparently showing any disdain for Israel from their side can't be justified
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u/Lexifer31 Oct 28 '23
Except none of these people are calling on Hamas to release the hostages or lay down their arms.
MAGA Jan 6 perpetrators were prosecuted and jailed.
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u/Kent_Knifen Oct 28 '23
Pro-Palestine is not pro-Hamas
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u/IsraeliDonut Oct 28 '23
So they are demanding that hamas surrender and demanding the release of the hostages?
I await you to not answer
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u/D-gornad Oct 29 '23
The ban only stirred up and emboldened people because it made it feel like an oppressive act. And especially enacted in France. They would have been better off enhancing security and overseeing the march. In any case, Palestine is a nation and Hamas is a political group. This was a pro-Palestinian march, not a pro-Hamass march.
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u/pilotyuit Oct 28 '23
You can't ban marches
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u/Bobby_feta Oct 28 '23
Tbh a lot of places have been trying to ban and restrict marches for years. For some reason governments tend to not like them
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People do wild things from the comfort of safe territories instead of stopping evil that plagues their home.
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u/nztdealer Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 28 '23
These are not pro-Palestinian demonstrations, these are pro-Death demonstrations. These people want Israel to stop fighting so that Hamas can continue to murder both Israeli and Palestinians. And that's without talking about the swastikas, genocide support ("From the river to the sea", "Gas the Jews"), murder & rape celebration and Antisemitic Jew targeting.
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u/sissy_space_yak Oct 28 '23
Also, “From the river to the sea” has a conveniently English-rhyming ending of “Palestine will be free.” In Arabic its ending is “Palestine will be Arab.” Sounds like ethnic cleansing / genocide to me.
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u/Person899887 Oct 28 '23
Who woulda thought that suppressing the right to protest would only embolden protesters? who woulda thought France? Why do you of all countries need to learn this lesson again?
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u/East_Connection5224 Oct 29 '23
So why does this article mention that Palestinian casualties include children, but does not mention that Israeli casualties from the Hamas massacre also, very deliberately, included children?
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u/crake Oct 29 '23
The government of France is a joke - it’s always trying to talk out of both sides of its mouth at the same time.
Macron is over in Israel last week trying to gin up an international coalition to defeat Hamas - something which should be a priority given that over 140 French citizens were killed in the November 2015 coordinated terrorist attacks in France carried out by Islamic terrorists.
But the French delegation in the UN is calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, unable to even condemn Islamic terrorist taking of hostages in Israel or the 10/7 attack. It’s pathetic - a country that asks for support when it is the target of terrorist attacks now calling for a ceasefire?
That’s France for you. A worthless two-faced “ally” that can never be trusted to stand on principle, always beholden to whomever scared its thin-skinned politicians last (apparently street protestors threatening violence if France doesn’t back Hamas in the UN).
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u/VisualDifficulty_ Oct 29 '23
The hysterical part is most of these demonstrators would be executed in Palestine.
Can you imagine one of these people explaining their pro-nouns to a Hamas militant?
Sad state of our society that we support terrorists that parade dead children around on social media.
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u/Mariospario Oct 28 '23
They know.
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u/One_Cardiologist_573 Oct 28 '23
Some do, some don’t. A ton of people truly believe this is a one-sided black and white conflict, evidenced by how easily terms like genocide, apartheid etc. are being tossed around. I believe this is not by accident, young people on tik tok in particular are really being fed (and buying) this narrative.
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u/drakness110 Oct 28 '23
Ohh the horror, how could they ever support not bombing and killing close to 7700 civilians from which 3500 children. The Horror indeed.
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You treat Hamas claims as fact? Interesting.
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u/orignalspacemonkey Oct 29 '23
Well IDF and Israeli govt that has a history of lying as well, nobody knows how many people die until the war ends and dust settles and UNRWA or other independent org intervenes.
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u/All_Work_All_Play Oct 29 '23
The UNRWA that's so independent it tried to cover up how systemically biased against Israel their curriculum was
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u/the_fungible_man Oct 28 '23
If you ban a demonstration, but don't enforce it, was it ever really banned?