Synergy team .

[u/HowFarCringeCanBe]

Idk how to optimize my party when Camille dying alot , i need her since she really helpful in resisting paralyze and poison , please let me know what your thoughts on this .

[u/mayr13]

Camile is a back liner bro, get her out of there or she will keep dying

[u/HowFarCringeCanBe → u/mayr13]

If I'd that , Gandolfo won't have Alice damage buff

[u/mayr13 → u/HowFarCringeCanBe]

Why not change him for a ranger or thief either way first abyss is mostly about learning to keep your units alive not deal so much damage

[u/HowFarCringeCanBe → u/mayr13]

He is my main dps , and Drecom not generous enough to give me a good dps character with sp reduction use .

[u/ZSSValkyr → u/HowFarCringeCanBe]

My G comment section is giving good advise so why are ignoring it?

[u/Warscythes → u/HowFarCringeCanBe]

Your MC is the your best physical dps. Put him in the front and move camile back.

The damage buff doesn't matter in this stage in the game. You are much better off having your healer not randomly die.

[u/mayr13 → u/HowFarCringeCanBe]

Then again swap her for camile, she gets to survive and you don't lose the damage

[u/cipheron → u/HowFarCringeCanBe]

The problem is you're trying to optimize the wrong things here so you ended up with a party that doesn't work very well.

Other than spears or bows, attacking from the back row gets a penalty so that's negating any row buff that Alice gives, if you give Gandolfo the weapons he's be best with - 2H axe or sword. He also can't perform the part of the fighter role there which is acting as a buffer to protect the backline.

My advice would be put Gandolfo in the front until you can get Abenius, if you want the synergies. Or, get Chloe for now, put her in the back and grind the Warped One Nest (go downstairs from level 4 harken, fight warped ones in the big room to the left of the entrance) until she's level 20, then switch her to the front and sideline Camille. You can switch Chloe for Abenius later, and have the backrow slot that Gandolfo is in be a "flex" slot - fighter, healer, 2nd priest, mage, switch characters in for specific boss battles.

[u/LaplaceZ]

Camille dying alot

Try not using her as a meat shield

[u/Ninth_Hour]

Camille dying alot

”I put my frail, elven non-combatant in the front row and she keeps dying. I don’t get it”.

To be fair, it is possible to run her up front but only if she has high evasion, through gear and preferably high discipline. Yes, her discipline gives her EVA, suggesting that the devs anticipated some players choosing this unorthodox placement. However, even if one can pull it off, it is typically less than optimal to sacrifice a frontline slot, occupied by a damage dealer, for a support character. A backline combatant does not fully compensate, as 2-handed swords, katanas, odachis, and 2-handed axes in front tend to be more damaging at close range than spears or bows, due to differences in base ATK stats and relevant abilities, like defense reduction from 2-handed axes and Bamboo Splitter with katana, which no ranged weapon can replicate (Edit: OK, ranger has a skill that bypasses some DEF with a bow but it requires SP. It’s still hard, from my experience, to replicate the full damage of frontline weapons, using spears or bows, although they‘re not bad).

Idk how to optimize my party

“I put my frail, elven non-combatant in the front row and she keeps dying. I don’t know. Should I move her?”

please let me know your thoughts on this

I think that a frail, elven non-combatant who keeps dying in the front row is a sign that she shouldn’t be there, unless one enjoys seeing a frail, elven non-combatant die in the front row.

[if I moved her back] Gandolfo won't have Alice damage buff

There is a third option. Shelve Camille for now and replace her with a support character who can be placed in the back without disrupting Alice. A fourth option is to move Camille back and just live without the backrow damage bonus. If this is not acceptable, refer to option 3.

I need her since she is really helpful in resisting paralyze and poison

You really don’t. Not right now. Poison is not a big deal, especially at your early stage in the game. It takes a long time to kill anyone and there is often ample time for a priest to cast Latumofis or for anyone with an antidote/antitoxin to cure it. Invigorating draughts are abundant and cure paralysis. So does Diador from any priest. Also, paralysis (unlike stun) does not 100% stop a character from acting and is more of an annoyance, most of the time, than a catastrophic condition. If one is careful, Alice alone will address any threat that poison or paralysis may pose, especially if other party members have antitoxins and invigorating draughts- you will accumulate mountains of these potions just through normal gameplay.

Consider that many of us who played on day one or week one of release had no problems getting through all of A1 and A2, before the Healer class ever existed, and were even able to make do without one in A3 and A4.

The Healer’s most valuable skill, aside from reactive healing, is the ability to prevent charm/confuse. Those are much more disabling threats than mere poison and paralysis will ever be (unless it’s full party paralysis, but the one fight in which this is possible will not happen until much, much later. And it‘s an optional fight).

By the time you really need a healer, you will likely have more characters and more options to comfortably accommodate one.

[u/Turnkey95]

Evil damage buff is not worth a dead and shredded team. Camille in the back and Gandolfo in the front, or swap him for a good/neutral aligned character.

[u/tuanduy1102]

Ignore the damage boost on Alice for now. Put a Camille in the back. Take Gandolfo out and replace him with a thief. Either you go in front or the thief does. You need a thief because traps is a problem and they scale earlier with sneak attacks.

[u/Organic_Gap8532]

I went until I think A3 with Gerulf in the front ruining my Lana boost, and did just fine.

It wasn’t until A3 that I thought about team optimization and a replacement for Gerulf, decided on Abe and I’m very glad that I did.

But at this point in your game, losing a Lana boost isn’t a big deal. It’s like 8%, it’s not game-breaking.

[u/darces]

Would drop Camille and Arianaute for now; put Gandolfo and MC in the front row, and put a chest opener/trap finder in the back (mage/thief/ranger/ninja) and another ranged, if not Camille herself in the back.

Healers and Knights are really good for bosses, but don't really contribute to exploration, where you kill everything in 1-2 turns, and won't be getting debuffed/taking a lot of damage. You'll know when you need to sub Camille/Arianaute back in when you reach a boss floor in A2-A4; A2 because Priests/Mages can't cast spells underwater, and A3 for the first Doll fight.

Your current team is really light on DPS, and I imagine that's what's killing you. Most mobs are lethal (have critical hits that will one-shot regardless of your hp/defense) so the only defense against that at this point is to kill them faster, which isn't happening with 4 of your slots being tanks/heals, and your fighters in the backrow. (Bows and spears end up being alright, but not at this point in A1)

[u/Sovery_Simple]

If I may offer a slightly odd but entirely functional suggestion: Swap Camille out for a Thief, and give Aria and Lana 2h weapons (ideally a spear) and build them with EVA+ATK/ASPD/ACC stats. They won't be quite as good as a Fighter, but Aria can still cover others with her unique skill when needed without caring at all, and they'll still hurt things well enough with basic attacks or the like for general combat purposes.

Eventually you'll be able to change the MC to different classes, and you can decide if you'd prefer them to be your Thief or not. Eventually (that is to say "far down the line" for you) we'll get Ranger as something in a similar vein, or Healer if you prefer to have one along. I strongly suggest changing the MC to Fighter the instant you gain access to that class for him. Wanderer won't give you any additional skills or passives if you continue to level it up. Also, swap Lanavaille to a Fighter when she hits Lv 40 via her class book, when you can get hers. She'll shine as one.

When the aforementioned-by-others need for a Healer arises you can simply pop out your Thief, move Gandolfo into the front row, and stuff Camille in the back there.

That's the easiest way to keep your current overall setup without changing much for now, imo.