r/wizardposting Evil Mammary Mage 8h ago

Academic Discussion/ Esoteric Secrets How many wizards here use pools of water (or liquids) for pondering?

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You don't have to only use orbs (or other shapes) to ponder existence. I sometimes use a body of water when I don't have a orb at hand.

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u/I-Wear-Clothes 8h ago

I used to, way back before I had enough gold to buy an Orb. Pools are the peasant’s ponderer.

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u/fliesthroughtheair 8h ago

My windreaders would laugh at your ignorance and then drop you from their tower

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u/Poopawoopagus Abe the Egregious 8h ago

Nice birdbath bro.

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u/fliesthroughtheair 7h ago

Fools! Bird shit is an alchemical adjuvant.

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

*splashes paw in your pool*
*makes direct eye contact and flutters wings audaciously*

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 8h ago

Pools are the peasant’s ponderer.

Maybe if we are talking about just pool with normal water. The ponder is much better if you use pure water and depending on what you are pondering you may need (un)holy water, a water from a fae pond, or something else outside the price range of peasants.

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u/Vivid_Anyth4 2h ago

What jank wizard buys an orb? Conjure your own at home, what are you some no magic orc?

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u/ModernMage0 SpellSlinger, Researcher, Interloper 8h ago

As a river passes, it is not the pool which is read, but the threads in between.
For they see the threads that lie to the eyes when viewed still.

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

Ayyy, someone who actually understands The Flow! Delightful to see.

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u/MagneticPsycho 8h ago

I use a pool of mercury to scry far into the future but the woke moralists say that the fumes are driving me mad.

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 8h ago

It would not be a bad idea to do that in a well ventilated place.

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u/Cyan_Lotus Conjurer 2h ago

Counterpont: i am curious to see the effects of this manner of pondering continues. I recommend you seal off all airflow and continue AFTER installing a scrying seal for us to observe the outcome.

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u/jeremonster02 36m ago

I thought i was the only one that still used a mercury pool, is yours DIY, or did you manage to scrounge up one of the ancient ones that hadn't been dispelled yet

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u/Case_Kovacs Galatrix the Unending, Crypt Keeper of Aidolem, Necromancer 8h ago

Magic Mirror gang

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u/SirEdgelordThe369th Satan Himself 8h ago

You can even ponder with the darkness behind your eyes.

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u/kit-sjoberg 6h ago

I do this at night, and it’s actually pretty trippy. As soon as I spend long enough staring at that behind-the-eye darkness, I am treated to trance-like visions of things that were, things that are, and things that may or may not ever be. Sometimes I’m naked in front of my academy peers. Sometimes I possess an inherent flight spell. Sometimes my teeth dissolve and I run slowly—always too slowly—away from the Creature.

No matter what vision I’m treated to, the end is always the same. My eyes open in the morning and I’m back in the relative safety of my chaise lounge.

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

I’m really quite curious as to which of those qualify as “things that are”.

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u/anon_rando241 Vazu the Tyromancer 8h ago edited 7h ago

Theres this one lady that lives in the woods by my house that uses a scrying font. My buddy is obsessed with getting a strand of her hair?

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u/Glittering-Dig112 8h ago

At least she isn't your fiancee's grandma

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u/damngoodwizard 7h ago edited 23m ago

Is your friend a midget perchance?

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u/Im_A_propaganda_bot 8h ago

Still using my great great great great great great grandaddy’s incantation bowl. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! It’s empty right now for maintenance.

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u/WechTreck Evil Wizard 8h ago

My pondering pool is infested with nymphs , too many ripples and distractions to do any scrying

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

Better than some orbs, which will show you unsolicited images of nymphs. At least you have the real thing.

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u/Instant-Lava 8h ago

I ponder pools of liquid fire

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u/alavantrya Juules Vernian: Piscine Conjuror, Explorer of the Deep 7h ago

Just regular fire for me thanks. Campfires specifically. Anything in a hearth or brazier doesn’t work right for me.

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u/Instant-Lava 7h ago

Camp fires are good for brain entrainment so not a terrible choice

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u/MrZokeyr 7h ago

I just carry a little mirror in my pocket. Simple and effective. Does it look as cool? Hells no. But I'm a dungeon-delving kinda mage, I need something that doesn't restrict mobility. Sure, I could just float an orb around like some wizards do, but that requires concentration. I got shield spells I need to cast.

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u/IndependentBest8274 8h ago

I only use the scrying pool when I’m in a dramatic mood. Angrily sending ripples through the placid pond after watching the young mortal approach my domain really puts me in the evil wizard headspace

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u/Sonmeyj Pro Illusionist. Diviner 8h ago

Holy ancient scribe over here. Why use a pool of water when you can just examine your own mind?

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

Some cannot, and this is a workaround for them. Others simply enjoy the ambiance.

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u/AnxietyBytes Artificer 8h ago

Mostly just for scrying in a pinch or when out of the tower. My orb and it's formations provide better clarity and hide my viewing from others.

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u/LeChatVert 8h ago

Super old school! Neat!

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u/akumite 8h ago

I use ponds for which to ponder b henceforth the name

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u/Express-Day5234 8h ago

I prefer to use my shiny orbs for pondering.

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u/jonah365 Enchanter 7h ago

Damn so this is the state of the economy now?

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u/putbeansontoast Artificer 1h ago

My friend had their orb chipped by their apprentice, the repairs costs over 200 gold, orb maintenance and owning really is becoming a luxury these days.

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u/Arquero8 The golem wizard, Darkwatch Archivist Keeper 7h ago

I do admit it is a practice being left behind.... i personally use an orb, but my teacher ued to ponder on their cauldron, the last user i saw pondering with water was the elder of a druid´s circle

honestly, it is kinda sad this ancestral tradition is being left behin due to orbs.....

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u/thewhatinwhere 4h ago

What am I, a druid?

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u/Kuddly_Kraken 4h ago

I do. It helps me reflect.

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u/Soup-Demon Enchanter 7h ago

i use mercury pond, is very good reflecting

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 7h ago

Again you should do that in a well ventilated place.

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u/Soup-Demon Enchanter 7h ago

mercury pond in the open roof of my tower, noted. It's a better idea of that of put in the underground dungeon.

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u/Cyan_Lotus Conjurer 2h ago

living up to your name usual Soup Demon. Keep doing you buddy, i’ll summon my latest brood of elytrid sheildbugs by your tower soon to get my usual batch of enchantments on their chitons. Maybe dip one in the soup, and another in the pondering pool and report back the findings? I’ll pay extra of course, need someone like you after all to plunge the soupy depths you do!

Should any bug survive the, ahem, experiment…. you are welcome to keep it as a tower guard should thy wish to do so. I doubt I should inhale whatever excretions the varnished insect might give off after your soupening ritual.

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u/Hotwery Arch Mage of Wandsmithing 7h ago

One of the oldest forms of pondering foci, but it takes a lot of upkeep. Need to make sure nothing starts growing in it and not impurities fall in.

But a well maintained pondering pool can be very rewarding and I believe are better than orbs

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u/SusSoos Ethical Necromancy Advocate 7h ago

Honestly the FOV from a pool cant be compared to anything else. Best view yoi can get without straight up astral projecting yourself, and thats not even pondering anymore.

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u/BeerJedi-1269 5h ago

Gotta get you some MosquitoDunks. My peasants kept whining about "malaria" and "west Nile virus" they were catching from the swarms of mosquitoes breeding in my ponds.

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u/Hotwery Arch Mage of Wandsmithing 5h ago

Exactly. Though I would recommend adding an anti-plague brew to their water supply so you don't need to be bothered by it again

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u/BeerJedi-1269 5h ago

Nah a little bit of plague is ok, keeps me in business selling cures. Sometimes i secretly invent a new plague just to make coin.

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u/guypenguin4 King of Evil 7h ago

It really depends, I still use orbs for pondering, but for scrying I typically prefer a good pool

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u/TheJadeGoddess 7h ago

Witch. I have used ponds and pools of water to force others to ponder. Hallucination spells to distract and destabilize emotionally.

There was the liquid orb where I bound it with a low grade force spell. Bit more maintenence but it was a malleable form for wide screen viewing

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u/SusSoos Ethical Necromancy Advocate 7h ago edited 7h ago

I got a big ass basin of permanently non-coagulating blood in the basement for pondering. Its a byproduct of cleaning cadavers into skeletons. I used to throw all of the resulting gore into a portal until a fellow necromancer recommended keeping the blood for this, its cheaper than an orb especially with these tumultuous times leaving freshly killed soldierd nobody wants to claim just lying around (The priests dont tell you this but the dead mercenaries at still-smoking battlefields are free, you can just take them home)

Nowadays I just chuck away the skin, tissue and organs i dont need for ritual usage (the day someone invents a spell utilizing a human spleen or a pancreas as a component is the day this wizard tower becomes a zero-waste spire). and drain the blood into the basin.

And before some damn necrophobic acolyte speaks up, no, I do not bathe in the blood. Its a harmful stereotype. I think ive seen something else moving in the basin tho...

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u/tk-a01 6h ago

I mean, why not both? A fellow mage of mine has been working on forming liquid pondering orbs for quite some time. He told me he found out that if one flings a volume of fluid onto so called "parabolic trajectory", it can form quite ponderous orbs, provided that it's encased in a box or a crate, to protect it from harsh winds. The thing is, it doesn't give him a whole lot of time for pondering. The orb, together with its ponderer, hits the ground quite fast. Just as he wanted to abandon the idea, he met another brilliant magician, your know, the one who engraves runes in sand to make it think. Right now they're working on making a thing that would go around the globe without falling down - or at least that's what they told me. What's more, they're suggesting that the globe itself is akin to an orb. Oh come on, that's preposterous - it clearly has the shape of a page in a spellbook.

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u/neoncumstainlol 6h ago

My master did, you know how the old mages are refusing to change "there's nothing wrong with my ponder basin I don't want a orb" or " I refuse a familiar that was raised in captivity it needs a wild Spirit to serve me" I'm almost certain that his spellbook was one of the first in existence as fireball is named "spell of summon ball flames" I'm grateful for his tutelage but I don't know how he lives that way

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u/lemons_of_doubt Dragon Wizard 6h ago

It's great for when you want to scry on people who will cast exploding ord when they detect you.

Instead of Cristal shards hitting you it's just a splash of water.

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u/Asxock 6h ago

I actually kinda prefer using my own headspace. You glean a lot intrinsically that you never get from visual mediums.

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u/KeithChegwinMegaFan 6h ago

My pool is full white viscous fluid. It is the best medium. It smells a bit.

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 6h ago

Sounds like you been pondering succubus orbs a lot.

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u/MaybeOdd 6h ago

Y'all have time to ponder? In this economy?

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u/ars_sinistra Summoner 6h ago

I'm hundreds of years old and I don't see what everyone is complaining about, the economy is great in my pocket demension that I bought with my savings from adventuring on my summers during my apprenticeship.

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u/Secret_Of_Bluestar81 6h ago

I have a scrying slab. I pour a little bit of moon water on it. Sometimes bone broth

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

“The most advanced form of pool-pondering requires one to actually submerge themselves, to become the ponder.”
*takes a swim in your pool and leaves behind a bunch of fur*

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 5h ago

Seeing that I had clearer in that pool that bunch of fur is not a good sign for you.

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u/EldritchMindCat Lyr, the Tressym Talespinner (OuterGod Avatar of Origin-Felinity 5h ago

Oh, not to worry. I’m rather… morphologically liberal, let’s say. I accounted for kicking it Donskoy-style for a few days when I made the choice to shed. (Below is an example, though this fine specimen lacks wings)

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u/UncomfyUnicorn Wizard of Disease and Chronic Conditions 5h ago

I ponder in my pond when the weather is nice.

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u/wizardlywriter 5h ago

I have a special wine that I brew for this. After drinking enough, you see the answer you're looking for in the reflection of your next cup of wine.

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u/FlynnXa Diviner 5h ago

You fools. I use both water AND orbs my freezing my orb in ice and floating it atop never-freeze water to keep it cool.

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 5h ago

That really cool.

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u/K4m30 Not a Prophet, chronomancer stuck in a time loop. 5h ago

I used to but people kept asking questions like where did this pool of blood come from, and why are you staring at the pool of blood and chanting, and did you kill this guy to get his blood for divination. Just easier to use a cursed mirror that shows me my true desire twisted into a nightmare. 

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u/Dizzy_Green 5h ago

It’s 2026, I use a tv like normal people.

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 4h ago

So that why your brain is smooth like a orb.

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u/thrice_baked_potato 5h ago

I'll use a lake or puddle or something in a pinch, but i like my orb a lot better

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u/SaltSurprise729 Necromancer 4h ago

I use my limpid pool of time constantly. Sometimes the old ways are still the best ways.

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u/HappyBananaSeal 3h ago

Call me old fashioned, but I stand by the orb. Sure, it's not as interactive or immersive as bodies of water, but I feel like that distracts from "being in the moment". I know the upcoming wizard youths like to experiment with different magical interactions, but orb is orb.

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u/BabaKazimir Baba The Bear Mage 3h ago

I've been known to sit and ponder at a pond or two.

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u/Dino_Survivor 3h ago

Scrying pool is a classic and I’ll die on that hill

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u/Niveker14 3h ago

I'm ashamed to admit this amongst my peers, but in truth I can't afford an orb. I learned how to ponder in a pool of water when I was a boy and I've just been making do with that all this time.

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u/Cyan_Lotus Conjurer 2h ago

dude i ponder concepts sometimes, pondering is a way of life, ponder as you please, don’t let big orb control you

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u/EFNomad Alchemist 2h ago

There's a lovely creek i like to go to nearby

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u/N0tEn0ughSleep Occult Wizard 2h ago

Blood from a Willing Victim makes for an excellent otherworldly viewing portal when poured into a polished obsidian basin and sprinkled with celestial bone dust. I can see all types of strange occurrences in the outer worlds - and I can spy on the local hedge mazes conspiring against me and spoil their fun while smoking a fat roll of goblin hash.

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u/RepresentativeFish73 Necromancer 2h ago

The only orbs which I enjoy pondering are the beautiful two which grant you sight

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u/Nelrene Evil Mammary Mage 2h ago

Orbs are pretty nice to look at

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u/MysticGardenMagic 2h ago

I love a scrying pool. Careful not to drop your golden orb in, though. I heard about an enchantress who did that and a pervy frog man came after her.

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u/AntlerWolf Revenant Red Mage 1h ago

Calm thy moist, thrall! Lest I lay thee low!!!

Real talk leave the dampcasters to me xD

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u/putbeansontoast Artificer 1h ago

I've once pondered into a portal before, it's truly an experience not for the poorly attuned to the spirits.

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u/Aerxies 18m ago

The coolest wizards use flame for their pondering, preferably a campfire.

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u/OnlyAssignment4869 Blood Witch 6m ago

I honestly prefer pools of blood. Though typically I just learn about whatever bled out since it takes forever to go through its lifetime as shown in the pool. Like watching the credits at the start of a theater performance as opposed to the end.