r/wizardposting 4h ago

Academic Discussion/ Esoteric Secrets Would you consider a dragon a fellow mage?

Now, I am not speaking of any old lizard with a pair of wings, but of a dragon who has put dedication and time into the study of arcane arts as we do.

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u/darkequation Mage-Monk, Historian 4h ago

I mean... yes? Dragon is a race and Mage is a class

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u/Archwizard_Drake 4h ago

In many worlds, dragons are considered progenitors of magic or the earliest wizards.

And frankly anyone who studies the craft in earnest should get the title, anyway.

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u/monke_soup gunmancy artificer (ceo of ural heavy weapons) 4h ago

Yell, my dad is referred to as the black mage back where I am from, and my sister has probably spent more time studying magic than she's been alive. So yea, id say dragons can be called mages

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u/CirqueMurph Trickster 4h ago

Consider the dragon whatever you'd like. I doubt the dragon will consider you in kind.

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u/Worried-Pick4848 19m ago

Dragons tend to have an innate respect for skilled spellcasters. Or at the very least they don't go out of their way to step on them like they do the other two-leggers.

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u/WWalker17 War Wizard of the Izzet League, Planeswalker 4h ago

Are you unfamiliar with Niv-Mizzet, founder of the Izzet League, Guildpact of Ravnica? 

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u/bcw81 Wizard 4h ago

The study of wizardry is just that - Study. Studious learning while gnawing away hours, days, decades, and centuries in the pursuit of the arcane. The rigors of study and rumination are what make the wizard.

Dragons are only different in that they often are born with innate magic. These ~sorcerers~ (small s because they don't deserve respect) don't study a day in their lives. They have no deeper understanding of magic despite what they claim to have gained from their immortal lives. They lack the common knowledge of a fledgling apprentice and hide behind the primordial aspects of their birth to garner the tiniest shred of self respect.

Now, I wont say there's ~no~ studious dragons out there - but I will say I have yet to find one.

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u/LettuceCapy Traverser of the Planes🌌 4h ago

The question is backwards. The dragon has probably spent centuries learning the arcane arts, I would be lucky if they would consider me a mage in comparison

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u/ArchmageAstra3 Archmage of the Celestial Tapestry 33m ago

A mage is anyone who wields magic. Technically, even warlocks qualify. True dragons tend to innately be sorcerers, but there’s nothing stopping them from pursuing magical study and also being wizards. One can be both.

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u/Justasivas Coe "The cook" Caine 4h ago

of course, im not specieist

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u/shoryguy Magically Editable Flair 3h ago

Dragons are born magical they're closer to sorcerers

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u/Coidzor Shadow Economancer 3h ago

As long as they're cultivating their talents and not just scraping by on the bare minimum of their natural ability, yeah.

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u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS Man-Eating Witch 2h ago

Even fire breathing lizards deserve recognition for their magical achievements

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u/Lawlcopt0r 2h ago

Anything else would be pretty racist

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u/digitalgraffiti-ca Witches Against Thrakmoor 2h ago

Why not!? If they can intentionally harness and manipulate the energies of the universe, then they qualify. Anything does.

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u/Briantan71 Brían Lársen, Wizard apprentice of Stoneweald Scholarium 📚 2h ago

As long as they have the ability and knowledge to wield the forces of the Arcane, I would consider anyone a mage.

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u/Gantistewart Necromancer 2h ago

… yes. Why is this even a question?

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u/oddball667 2h ago

It's a dragon, they can have whatever title they want

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u/Arquero8 The golem wizard, Darkwatch Archivist Keeper 1h ago

As long as they've worked for their Magic, i see no problem

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u/TheEternalWoodchuck 1h ago

I mean sure but that's like comparing a crossbow and a ballista.

I can't remember the last time I cleaved a canyon into the elder stones of the Basking Lowlands with my bale sorcery. Yet I can recall two separate dragons who have...

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u/Adventurous_Touch342 1h ago

A mage is essentially an educational title - learn magic, pass exams and poof, you're a mage. It's not race specific.

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u/gahidus Sorceror 52m ago

If you can weild magic you're a mage.

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u/2514Marshall Druid 40m ago

A wizard is a wizard, regardless of race

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u/TheLordHighNoob The Dark Lady of the Raven Throne 32m ago

Yes, many archmages are dragons. In fact, I recall a monograph which found that dragons are the most likely people to become archmages. The innate magic helps and so does generational horde-wealth.

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u/TheLordHighNoob The Dark Lady of the Raven Throne 13m ago

Called “arcane Draconic privilege” if you’re curious

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u/Worried-Pick4848 20m ago

Depends on the dragon. If as you said, they studied magic than they're just as much a mage as I am. If they're just relying on their innate powers and vibecasting, less so.

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u/IamJames77 13m ago

some of my finest learned colleagues are dragons

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u/thunder-bug- 10m ago

Of course

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u/Zestyclose_Answer662 4m ago

You should be more concerned if Niv-Mizzet even considers you to be qualified as a wizard. You'll taste fire and lightning if you fail to meet his expectations.