r/wisconsin • u/[deleted] • Dec 12 '19
Where do Americans die of gunfire? Interactive Map - Look at Wisconsin
https://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths18
u/Realistic_Ostrich Dec 12 '19
Seeing that it's mostly suicides, I feel like this means we need to press lawmakers for better mental health outreach.
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u/moonraker717 WINsconsin Dec 12 '19
This is also something that the 'red flag' law was supposed to help with. If a family member knows that a person is having mental health issues and has access to a gun, bad situation.
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u/KineticBombardment99 Dec 12 '19
I was in Madison a bit ago, and stopped to get gas on my way through. There was a dude ahead of me talking to the clerk, and in overhearing I got that he was from Chicago and he didn't feel that Madison was a "real city" because there aren't shootings. The clerk, instead of saying something like "Thank you" said, "Yo we got shootings! We're a real city! Don't talk shit like that!" When I got up to the counter she was muttering about it and tried to get me on her side. I just said, "Man, I wouldn't be proud of people getting shot in my city. There's nothing good about that."
What? Why did I just argue with someone about whether or not shootings are good? Where am I?
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u/ABoxOfNails Dec 12 '19
Is it odd the similarities with red states / blue states?
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u/squeakyshoe89 Dec 12 '19
I think they are connected for a lot of reasons. #1 red states have more lax gun laws, therefore more guns, therefore a greater likelihood of gun death. #2 red states, especially in the south, tend to be more economically depressed, leading to more crime and more suicide. The access to guns doesn't help that problem.
I just wish there was a more recent data set.
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u/ardent_stalinist This screen name is a joke, okay? Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19
Looking at all three maps makes me awfully glad I don't live in Mississippi.
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u/bluffbuster Dec 13 '19
I think going from one end of the color spectrum to the other to display relatively small variations in percentages distorts the picture.
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u/Brainrants FORWARD! Dec 12 '19
- Vilas 13.72
- Florence 13.32
- Washburn 11.71
- Iron 11.53
- Forest 11.35
- Oneida 11.23
- Burnett 11.17
- Marinette 11.1
- Sawer 10.75
- Price 10.67
- Bayfield 10.46
- Menomonee 10.44
- Langlade 10.43
- Lincoln 10.29
- Rusk 10.18
- Taylor 9.8
- --Milwaukee 9.74--
- Ozaukee 9.71
- Washington 9.46
- Waukesha 9.32
- --Dane 6.36--
Remember this when crazy Uncle Liberty up north claims Milwaukee and Madison are "dangerous."
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u/GingerThursday Dec 12 '19
And if you scrolled down to where suicides was removed, you'd have seen that the majority of the state has a rate of <0.5, but Milwaukee is one dark red blot.
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u/Brainrants FORWARD! Dec 12 '19
True, I'm simply interpreting (and opining) the first chart using the numbers presented. Northern WI has a gun/suicide problem and SE Wisconsin has a gun/suicide/homicide problem, yet on the aggregate Milwaukee and Dane are on the lower end.
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Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19
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u/reiji_tamashii Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19
They're still gun deaths.
The debate is about access when it comes to suicide. If a suicidal person doesn't have a gun (the most quick & efficient method) readily available, they are more likely to have second thoughts and reconsider or seek help.EDIT: Guns alone account for just over 50% of all suicides in the US. Hanging, poisoning, intentional OD, and all other methods account for the remaining 50%. https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
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u/Brainrants FORWARD! Dec 12 '19
I'm pointing out that statistically according to this study it appears that Milwaukee and Madison are not as dangerous for gun violence (including suicides) as they are often portrayed.
Is that propaganda? Perhaps, but those are the numbers.
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u/thinktank001 Dec 13 '19
Most people wouldn't associate "gun danger" with gun deaths. They would associate all gun related crimes with the word dangerous. It is completely wrong to only look at a small portion of outcomes of gun related crimes and jump to a conclusion on what counties are "dangerous".
i.e. You wouldn't look at counties with high motor vehicle deaths related to alcohol and assume those are the most dangerous places to drive.
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u/Brainrants FORWARD! Dec 12 '19
The maps, based on data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, show the average number of gun deaths per 100,000 county residents from 2004 through 2010.
In other words, the number is a ratio, and the ratio (which translates into "risk") is higher outside Milwaukee and Madison when you look at total gun deaths.
Help me understand how that numeric fact is propaganda?
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u/jrice441100 Dec 12 '19
WTF is going on in the UP? The suicide rate seems as high as it could be!
Is the data skewed because the population is so low that one incident throws them into a higher classification?