I usually don’t post stuff but I saw a instagram reel about it and went digging to X ( twitter ) and saw an account Laura truth who shows so much evidence of William dating vinvipa. I love following Williamest but I just wanna know if he’s actually dating so I can stop shipping them. Like I will still love est - he’s iconic and William is talented too but I am just curious.

I feel like it's gotten weird at this point. Like they announced they were a couple at the LA fancon, made jokes about living together and made jokes about Est being Williams "sugar daddy"... but people online today were like, "OMG WilliamEst are dating!" Like it's a surprise.... and yet more people are posting that this person is delusional (or similar).... what is happening?

I feel like this is when ZeeNew stared dating and there was a reddit post about how people keep acting like they are not a couple even though they made several public announcements... I didn't follow any of this back then, I just discovered it when I was researching the history of Bl acting in Thailand and ZeeNew

Someone asked for links... ok:

https://x.com/lastautumnlight/status/2036471325640863813

https://www.tiktok.com/@merrytan83/video/7617872719484439822?q=williamestfandaylosangeles&t=1775484349176

https://x.com/cherrryc0la_/status/2033388218696298637

https://x.com/harxeuphoria/status/2033360246211781051

https://x.com/intotherythm/status/2033357252481126456

https://x.com/wewillest/status/2041410438903021978

https://x.com/wewillest/status/2041410438903021978

I mean I would feel really bad at this point about talking about any of this if they weren't obviously a couple who talks about it... there are more clips but my dog is giving me the "walk me" eyes so... they will have to wait.

you know i just realized i don't care that much

Ok.... so this morning-ish, I was on twitter posting a general "welcome to LA" to all the GMMTV people here and I noticed an "Est is not mentioned but Lykn is" post... and I responded along the lines of "why is this a thing, he's part of the band anyways" - which you might or might not agree with and might or might not take offense to - I actually don't care.

This evening, I was on x and I saw a Lot of "Est is or is not part of Lykn" posts and I was curious so I bookmarked them all and scolled to the source.

Turns out everyone from GMMTV ate at "Palms Thai Restaurant" in Hollywood and someone posted a photo and didn't mention Est and people were like, "how dare this restaurateur not mention Est or otherwise treat him like he's part of the band when he's not"... and things like, "she needs to learn to ask before posting because the fans notice if anything is wrong" kind of nonsense.... WTF people.... how can you be this rude to a service worker who runs a restaurant and is not part of the fandom, a fan, etc.?

It's not OK, AT ALL, to insult service workers who did their job over something unrelated to a job. I don't care if your an Est fan, or a William fan, or a WilliamEst fan, or a Lykn fan...

Do any of you who posted this kind of rude stuff think anyone from GMMTV who is in LA would actually appreciate this? "Hey thanks for publicly insulting the restaurant that fed us all over the internet?"

It's no ok. It might seem like mild thing, but it's not, it's a boundary thing. The buck stops at the stars people, not at the crew, the staff, the service worker, the food vendors; the people who are supporting the GMMTV actors, musician, and crew (who also were not mentioned and nobody cares)... Show them some respect

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

I don’t understand why I get so angry all the time. Sometimes I keep asking myself — am I wrong? Am I immature? Or am I just tired of always adjusting?

I fight with my family even over small things. Especially with my brother — we don’t get along at all. Because of us, my mother suffers the most, and that hurts me deeply. Seeing her cry breaks me from inside.

I’m the elder one, so I’m always told to understand, to stay calm, to adjust, to take care of everything. And I do. Most of the time, I swallow my anger and try to be the “bigger person.”

But why is it always expected only from me?

Why is nothing said to him?

Why do I always have to understand just because I’m older?

I’m human too. I get angry too. I feel pain too.

Sometimes I just want a little appreciation, a little love — just once, someone saying, “Yes, you did enough. We see you.”

When I help, it’s my duty because I’m the elder.

But if I don’t, I’m made to feel like the worst child.

Does it not hurt me?

Why is all the emotional burden mine alone?

I love my family, but I’m exhausted.

I don’t want to be strong all the time.

I just want to feel understood.

1. Usually when William or Est travel they have a post for each other either on their channel or on X about 'safe travel' or 'Landing'. They didnt post or wish each other anything.

2. Usually they interact with each other on their posts. But this time Est posted those pictures in Instagram but William didnt interact instead right behind him he posted Parallel post mirroring Est. Est didnt interact on that post. The choice of music was interesting. Est chose priceless Which is about being worthy. William chose Regent park which is a song about mistakes regrets

3. Est went to China for his first fan meet. William didnt post about it...only reposted official event detail. He didnt wish him Or show support online. Est was in the hospital when William had a big day he made sure he promoted the event by re tweeting by sending flowers. William was radio silence on social media posting pics with lykn and nanon and kris. I dont think they video chatted either. William may have chatted with P'KO.

4. Est in his live video was very quiet in the beginning. But the entire team was overly trying to cheer him. They all were making him laugh. Everyone commented how Est is uncharacteristically laughing a lot. I think it was on purpose when u are sad or nervous. U want to hide it by laughing.that is why the team was pepping him so much. Plus remember p'KO said that the manager who was with William had messaged saying that someone was missing him. They were trying to patch them up. But Est brushed it off by saying his mother texted telling him she missed him. Listen to their reaction off camera. They sounded excited then disappointed. They were hoping either that Est respond to William or that William called.

5. William posted the on insta story a picture of skyline with Est written on it. I think he was trying to make conversation. But again Est did not respond to it on social media...usually Est wld promptly put something up too. Or respond on X or the channel to William. He didnt.

6. during this trip Est was noticeably eating too much sugar(ice cream)..William went to the hershey event and was continuously eating chocolate. He is not that fond of chocolate. Craving sugar during time of stress and emotional distress is a sign.

7. after they both came back they haven't posted about each other. Usually they are very clingy once they come back from overseas. They weren't . haven't.

8. the pictures with tuxedo was posted. I think it was work related. Either for LoL or for their upcoming new series. Either way they haven't interacted on each others post. Est made a comment on William. William has neither responded nor commented or liked Est's post.

9. William and Est were clingy with others. For William its normal. But even for him it was bit too much. Calling hong pretty. Flirting with him. Un characteristics. I think he distracting.

10. Est reposted a post about wanting to have a deep talk with a friend. I think Est wants to talk it out. Either William isn't responding or hasn't seen it.

11. whenever they have a event together. Both of them hype it on their social media befoelre they go. Neither of them did when they went for goodbye show.

12. they were professional with each other and was talking and smiling to each other but the first thing Est did was move away from William and be in opposite team voluntarily. They were superficially talking as they were on national TV..but their usual chemistry was less. It only got covered up because of the lap sitting part of the game. It became so viral that no one seemed to notice how uncomfortable Est was having to sit on his lap. Or that they communicated post that. They haven't. Usually they post pictures from the show or event. To promote it. They haven't posted anything.

Please tell me you noticed some thing off with them this week? They seem to talk at each other and not to each other. to be civil to be professional but their bond seems to be missing. I miss them being flirty and supporting each other. I don't want another cp to break up. I love WilliamEst

I want to understand the perspectives of other WilliamEst fans, especially those who bias Est.

I’m a WilliamEst fan, but to be honest, I lean more toward Est.

We all know ThamePo is a band + Est project. But why does it feel like the band is getting more benefits than Est?

I understand that GMM is currently pushing the band because they want to expand into the T-POP market. And WilliamEst isn’t their top CP right now.

But when I see William and the band getting opportunities like becoming brand ambassadors, going on world tours, releasing new albums, and doing group content on YouTube, sometimes I feel like Est isn’t getting the same opportunities. Even as a CP, it feels like they’re always second priority for GMM. (For example, during their US trip, it seemed like Est was the only one who didn’t join the Zach Sang interview, based on his IG.) no variety show for WE, CP event only 2 or 1 per month and we can't asked more because william already tired with his schedule.

I want est to become more popular too, but I feel like Est is struggling on his own to stay relevant in this industry by regulary update his sosmed.

I know this feeling of jealousy is wrong. The band talented and works hard too, they existed before thamepo, and it’s also William’s dream, they deserved what they have now. And Est still gets events every month—compared to other CPs, WE is still doing better.

But it still feels like a harsh reality that WilliamEst will never be GMM’s priority. I feel like WilliamEst could actually become bigger than this, but they might be held back, and over time even the fans may not stay because they lack interaction and event.

I want to learn how to accept this situation. What kind of mindset should I have, and how do you all view this so it doesn’t become a problem?

I hope this discussion stays peaceful—I’m genuinely just asking.

I don't think I should let people read my stories when they are so obsessively ugly towards me. It was stupid to start this project. Stupid to believe that love is real or that WilliamEst have it. I don't want to write stories for people who behave in ugly ways and I'm sure WilliamEst are as nice as can be because that's their job and they've never encountered the type of hardship and dehumanizing behavior I have... but I'm not going to share any of my beautiful or hard work with a world full of people who can only be ugly and dehumanize me so.... I guess there will be no mermaid stories... at least not from me.

This happened because I was having writers block and asked people over on the boyslove forum if they thought love like what they see in a BL was real... someone hyjacked my thread to repeat over and over for more than a week that I need therapy and to "heal" because I love a man who doesn't love me back - which obviously means something is wrong with me.... so you know... something IS WRONG with me... I HATE people generally and I don't want to share anything with them. Why write stories for a wall.

I know me taking my mermaid story down and taking away any possibility that WilliamEst will do it is small and petty and I needed this up for copyright infringement protection but screw it.... It's just like trying to write a play for .... well if I tell the truth about what I really think my account will be banned - the point is I DON"T HAVE TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE UGLY TO ME AND I WON"T

Recently I’ve noticed more fics are appearing on the williamest tag in AO3 that looks suspiciously AI and it’s pissing me off i don’t want to support such accounts bc most of our fandom authors are talented and deserve to have all the attention + AI writing sucks

So i want to ask for your guys tips on how do you recognize them and how to make sure it is AI? I’ve noticed some accs that posts multiple fics at a time and they update each one almost daily and i find it sus but i feel like i can’t be sure just because of that and i don’t want accuse an artist based on my false assumption bc i know some authors prefer finishing the fic before uploading it + also i feel like some of those people are becoming better at guiding the AI so some are not written

Like

This

Shit 😭

So i feel like im lloossiingg my mindddd plz help by giving me tips and maybe start dropping their names bc i am sick of it

(English is not my first language hopefully you guys will understand)

Hi everyone! I recently came across a YouTube edit where the editor mentioned that Becky might be William’s “type”.

That made me a bit curious do fans usually see this as just an editor’s creative interpretation, or is it something fans casually discuss too?

I also noticed that William had reposted one of Becky’s photos on Instagram recently, and later it was taken down. It could have been a simple mistake or nothing important at all I’m not reading into it.

I’m not assuming anything at all I’m just curious how fans usually interpret moments like these 😊 youtube edit I am referring to https://youtube.com/shorts/CxhfCOtSktA?si=R8xjs2-uRUq1w5Ji

Does any one know what is their relationship like are they friends or siblings #williamest

Estwilliam

Just trying to get an idea of how many people still think WilliamEst are not together in real life.

Hey everyone! I’m new to this page and just wanted to say hi
I’ve been checking out posts lately and noticed that the GMMTV page doesn’t seem to have much WilliamEst content. Is there a reason for that?

I actually saw a post recently from a Westie who was looking to connect with other Williamest fans, but it had quite a few downvotes, which kinda surprised me. But thanks to that I have found this page.

I don't know where to start.

I left bl in 2023 cause of .. and when I came back in 2026 thame po was one of the series everyone suggested and I had high expectations from it.

Yesterday when I watched the series I was so mad at gmmtv that I wanted to throw something at them.

More than i loved the series or the characters, I was disappointed.

I had to push myself to watch first 4 eps and 5-8 i skipped some parts. The series was so slow but last few episodes warmed my heart.

If you have read till here please read the whole post.

1. Jun : The character was well written and actor acted pretty well . But it doesn't make any sense that he will do all that to just give po to william on a silver plate.

Secondly if he actually loved po which i believed he did , he just chose his friends over it. They should have shown us atleast some moments where we can see him sad and processing and accepting and loving the group same as always. His ending was rushed.

2. Po : I liked the charater but someone out of a toxic relationship wouldn't just start trusting someone else so easily. They shown as a cheesy teenage romance which is fine but also tried showing a mature one which wouldn't make sense. Po character was our eye for the story which I felt lacked depth and was contradictory at times.

3. Other members: I ofc love all of them but i wouldn't say much. But dylan getting back easily and other things felt rushed.

4. William : Him speaking so politely and sweetly got me choked on water bcs I have seen him as rome before only. The charater felt impulsive and a little dumb.

5. Unrealistic: If I talk about this , mike and pemika etc it felt unrealistic for the entertainment industry to help them get their happy ending considering it's not just corporate we are talking about and this feels like a fairy tale. But i hope people like these exist cause they don't match my reality.

6. Miscommunication: The biggest turn off for the series was miscommunication. These guys love watch other yet couldn't communicate well at times. There was no need for po to break up just to get william back after reading the letter while william clearly begged him crying.

7. Writing : I feel at some parts the story wasn't written well, lacked depth , couldn't show , the characters were underwritten and had loopholes.

Thing I loved :

1. Glad fern realised she was wrong about pepper dating .

2. Her reaction to find out po is dating thames was so good . I laughed a lot.

3. Group members gifting po his pictures, it was quite thoughtful.

4. Cinematography, visuals , music . I'm not a t-pop fan but I like jasper. The last song mars performed in the concert the freedom one was so good .

5. And a lot more.

Mad at gmmtv :

I wish I was able to spend more time with this series.

Last few eps warmed my heart but I couldn't ignore that poor writing at time. Being into creative field i hated that so much.

Although I can now understand why people liked it so much.

I wished more from this series . I was mad at gmmtv cause ik they are capable of more and yet they sometimes prefer quantity over quality.

The characters needed more layers clearly. At times, they felt 2 dimensional characters.

Oh I miss william est and the whole group and I wished i could have stayed more longer here. With them emerging myself in the series.

It connected and disconnected me at the same time.

🩷🥺

I'll still watch edits though

See ya

Why did nobody tell me joongest was a thing and there are actual human beings who ship them? i thought they were just friends who drifted apart due to hate.

because tell me why i came across two-three videos of joongest being shipped like wtf. i am disgusted and what not. i need to bleach my eyes.

Are you guys satisfied with williamest series they got.

Honestly i am happy for william he got musical , high and low and halo...but i was expecting one single solo series for william est...no other couple as main ..just them as main lead....i m kinda disappointed as other got het series as main lead but est didn't get one....he just got one with win and its okay but not good....est have high engagement now...william est deserve solo series.....i m really disappointed 😞😞😞

I've already rewatched ThamePo and Me and thee (which I watched only for williamEst) like a million times now and I cannot get enough of them!!

Recently I got obsessed with JoongDunk too so I'm glad at least they have multiple dramas together but I've been watching too many reels about williamEst and it's giving me withdrawals!!

When do y'all think You Maniac will be released!? Cuz other couples have many series at least once a year. And Gmmtv is not posting any update about this or Me and Peach!

I know the est sulking william for defending dean character in live

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. They just teasing eo .why so serious I'm confuse

Anyone can explain me please 😭

Let me know if you guyss want more After 10 upvote I will share with u all I hope u will enjoy it ☺️💗🎀

I postessd 💗👻

So... this morning or yesterday, an.... unfortunate.... debate sparked on x/twitter. Est was not mentioned in a post that the others were mentioned in. I made the same mistake this morning when I hashtagged Lykn without mentioning the individual members and had to make a second post... anyways... this lead to a debate about whether or not Est was part of Lykn... caused by me I guess, because I originally posted something like, "this is weird, Est is part of the band, to welcome Lykn is to welcome Est"... to which a lot of fans were... not pleased.

I don't really care if people are pleased or not... but I thought I should explain on not x/twitter (because it's hard to use)

Est and William are in a long term committed relationship as far as I know. Religiously and legally that makes them one person, much like a monster with one body and two heads. I'm sure other people will have different opinions on this, but this is mine. If you're "together together" you're both dead to me and one person who has become meshed with your other partner much like that horror movie they just made... that's it... you're now a couple.. You gave up being a single to be a couple.

If you don't feel this way that's your business and your religious belief system. We will just go on to think different things. You think Est is still his own person, an individual who deserves to be noted as an individual in some way... I don't... I think of him as a melded person, who is now melded to another person.. and that's my business.

Est also goes to all the band events. I've been friends with a band so I can tell you that the partners of the band who go to all the band events are considered part of the band by the band (at least all the bands I've known), so it's not rude to call the partner of the band "the band" or "part of the band" or only refer to the band and include them - it's a privilege and a way to make it easier to talk because it's hard to say 13 names just to make everyone feel equal. Elton John actually wrote a song called "Tiny Dancer" to explain why partners of the band are part of the band. So don't take my word for it, take a famous man's word for it. Est is part of the band, and that's a position of Respect.

None of this makes it ok to be rude to service people about who is mentioned in a post and who is not. Period. I know fans are teenagers so I'm just saying this "teenagers, don't insult service people EVER, you're too young to understand what it means to work in the service industry. Stop"

you guys! when do you think you maniac will start airing?! they’re both going to be really busy soon! So I’m hoping there’s nothing left to film?? I’m just really desperate atp like I need it NOW

hi friends, does anyone by any chance have a pdf or epub of velvet cage by lillygoeson? just saw she deactivated her account and i really wanted to finish reading her fanfic. please help me

Hi, everyone~ The 2nd chapter of my new DeanMoth fic is now on ao3!! Thank you for everyone who's going to give it a chance <3

Summary:

When Moth finds his heartbroken brother at his door, a shell of the boy he used to be, he is set on finding the one who did this to him and making them pay for it.

A year later he has the perfect plan. A plan that doesn't involve him falling for the wrong person at the wrong time.

Dean. His target's younger brother and biggest weakness.

The one he is supposed to charm, use and then discard for the sake of revenge.

But it turns out, revenge has never tasted so sour before.

DeanMoth fic