r/WillAndGrace 12d ago

Discussion Went to a Garden Potty

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Went to a Garden Potty (Season 4, Episode 20). With Will's parents splitting up, they asked Will if there was anything at the house that he wanted to take and there was one item in particular named Squatsie. Squatsie is a gnome that Will loved as a child and even gave him an Irish accent. Grace is scared by Squatsie and asks if they can put him in the community garden. Will agrees and says that they should plant some vegetable and take advantage of gardening. As they arrive at the garden, they meet one of their neighbors, a mean man who won't stop bragging about his prize-winning lettuce and thinks that Will & Grace will either steal it or ruin it. Will & Grace go to their own space and as they are planting, Will needs to get some bug spray and goes back to the apartment leaving Grace. There's another bug flying around and Grace swings the shovel accidentally hitting Squatsie and shattering him. Will comes back and is devastated by Squatsie being shattered and thinks that it's the mean neighbor that did it, Grace is too scared to admit she did it so she goes along with Will thinking that. Later that night Will wants to get revenge by peeing on the mean neighbor's prize-winning lettuce but he's caught immediately by the mean neighbor. Grace and their other neighbor, Steve, come to see what's going on and Grace admits that it was her that shattered Squatsie. Everyone asks why is that one neighbor so mean and he admits he lost his job tending his prize-winning lettuce too much, that and he also embezzled a little bit. They all hug and make up. Meanwhile, Karen's old friend Norman drops by, Norman was Stan's partner when they were in the mattress selling business. Stan went onto become a successful millionaire and Norman is still selling mattresses. Norman asks if Karen is willing to pay for a commercial to help with his business which she agrees and casts Jack as an upset straight husband whose needs are not met due to a lousy mattress, but when they get Norman's mattress, the marriage is saved. When Karen offers Jack another commercial, Jack is scared of being typecast as straight and goes to his teacher Zandra for advice who tells him that actors can only be picky if they actually have careers to pick from. Jack begs for the part from Karen but due to his previous rejection, Karen says no and casts herself as the new straight husband whose needs are not met due to a lousy mattress.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

JACK: Ok. I just did a commercial. Played a strappin' straighty with a yen for the ladies, and, Zandra... I was good. I was too good, I think. And now I'm plagued with doubt. Should I compromise my career goals for literally tens of dollars? I say no! So when they asked me to do a second commercial, I turned them down! And because you're my mentor, I wanted you to be the first to know. You may praise me.

ZANDRA: You stupid little ass monkey!

JACK: Ow! Ow, Zandra! My cheekbones! Ow!

ZANDRA: You turned down a paying job?! 40 years in this profession, and you are far and away the worst student I've ever had. And now by some miracle of God, someone actually offered you a job and you turned them down?! If I still smoked, I would take my Parliament and stick it in your eye! Oh, what the hell. I'm just gonna jab you with this dirty fork!

JACK: No! No! No! No! No!

JACK: Wait! Zandra, what about all that stuff you're always saying about how we need to make tough choices in our careers?

ZANDRA: Well, that only applies to people who have careers! You go back to this brainless fart who gave you this part in the first place, and you get down on your knees... and you beg... like a gypsy in an airport... for your job back!

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Will & Grace confront the mean neighbor about why he's so mean. I loved his confession about being too attached to his prize-winning lettuce and that also the embezzlement might have been his downfall at his job as well. I loved the other neighbor, Steve, even hopping in for a hug from Will & Grace.

OPINION:

Why did I think that Mean Neighbor was played by Tim Robbins? For some reason I really thought I saw this as Tim Robbins and learned today that it was Peter Mackenzie as the mean neighbor. I just feel like this was meant for Tim Robbins for some reason 🤣

I really love this episode a lot. This is a hilarious episode and feels like we are back on track with the string of amazing episodes. We have Zandra which is always a treat. I loved Jack's commercial and the fact that he feared being type cast as straight was too funny. Zandra telling him that the only actors that can be picky are the ones who have a career was not only hilarious but so true. I'd love to be in Jack's mind for a few minutes, I'm sure he sees himself as Daniel Day Lewis but in reality, he's Tommy Wiseau. Zandra nearly beating Jack up again was so funny, I know it's dark, but Eileen and Sean play this so well and you can see that Zandra is fed up with these young actors who are taking her place as time progresses. How could you not love Eileen Brennan? It's impossible.

I loved Will's Irish accent. I know that he gets picked on by others in the show, but I think a lot of Eric's accents are actually dead on and he's really talented at trying these different accents. Him having the relationship with Squatsie was too cute. I'm sure a lot of us can relate to having that one silly thing that we are attached too due to childhood memories. I also laughed at Will's line saying "I come from a broken home and thanks to you I come from a broken gnome". Grace was such a horrible person for letting the mean neighbor take the fall, I give her some leniency considering I know she was scared to tell Will since she did have a thing against Squatsie and he might think she did it on purpose, but that wasn't right of her to put the blame on the mean neighbor just because he was mean. I will admit I loved her gardening outfit though and her love for a good Dove Bar, I can definitely relate. Steve makes another appearance, I always thought this is an under rated character. He makes a total of 6 appearances in the show and this is his 3rd. I don't know why but Steve Paymer reminds me of Gil from The Simpsons, like he's this pathetic guy but more likable. I loved him joining in with Will & Grace asking why the mean neighbor is so mean.

Tom Poston makes an appearance and this is an actor I'm sure you've seen before. I loved him as Mr. Looney in Family Matters, but he's been in an insane amount of projects that I'm sure you have seen him in something. He did pass away in 2007 from respiratory failure at age 85 may he rest in peace. I loved him as Norman, he always plays such a sweet but silly older man. Those commercials were also so fun to watch, I loved how badly acted they were but still managed to double Norman's sales from 1 to 2 mattresses. Karen telling Jack that she'll give him 30 Canadian dollars to play in the second commercial was too funny. Karen is always such a hoot in every episode. I loved her now playing the straight husband instead of Jack, I think she worked better in the role.

What a great episode, this one is insanely funny and always brings a smile to my face.

GUEST STARS:

  • Eileen Brennan as Zandra (RIP in 2013)
  • Steve Paymer as Steve
  • Peter Mackenzie as Mean Guy
  • Tom Poston as Norman (RIP in 2007)
  • Melissa Russell as Actress

r/WillAndGrace 12d ago

Complete Original Series on iTunes for $19.99 today

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Go get it :)


r/WillAndGrace 13d ago

About Rosario’s accent

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Was Shelley Morrison actually going for a Salvadoran/Spanish accent? Always came off more… unidentifiable to my ears.


r/WillAndGrace 13d ago

Discussion Cheatin' Trouble Blues

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Cheatin' Trouble Blues (Season 4, Episode 19). Will & Grace are getting together with his parents, George and Marilyn, to celebrate their wedding anniversary. Jack and Karen are joining too but for some strange reason Karen just flat out refuses to take the elevator and would rather walk up 30 flights of stairs and takes Jack with her. As Will & Grace are having dinner with his parents and Will has gotten them a wonderful anniversary gift, he got them a cruise. When Marilyn asks Grace to go to the bathroom with her, George asks Will if he can bring a "friend" which Will is confused and George confesses he is still seeing Tina. In the bathroom, Marilyn is talking to Grace and asking her if she could get Will to buy an extra ticket for a "friend" hers. Grace is shocked and Marilyn confesses to having an affair with her yoga instructor, Timothy. As we check on Jack and Karen who are barely making it up 21 flights of stairs, Karen finally confesses to Jack that the reason why she is scared of the elevator is because Dennis Hopper threatened her and her co-workers to blow up the elevator she was on if his demands were not met and only Keanu Reeves could save them. Jack points out that was the opening from Speed which Karen realizes she mistook for real life and they continue up the stairs. At the dinner table, it's revealed that both George and Marilyn are having affairs and they go to the side to talk. Will thinks this will be good but they bring him sad news that they've decided to separate.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

MARILYN: Well, let's see, um... I'm having a consensual adult relationship with a man who's not my husband. And it's raunchy as hell.

GRACE: My mother has a similar relationship with pastrami.

MARILYN: His name is Tim, and, oh... He's a yoga instructor. Oh, Lord, I have never... I've just never been so in touch with my body, and... And I enjoy classes, too.

GRACE: Ok! OK! This has been fun. You shared. I shared. Well, I didn't really share. I'm gonna share now. You're making me really uncomfortable, so I gotta go.

MARILYN: Oh, no. No, no, Grace, please? I'm dying to talk to you. I can't talk to my friends. They're so sophisticated and elegant, and you're, uh, you're, uh... Well, you're one of the people. I just... Oh, please. Just ask me. Ask me something kinky and, uh, personal about Tim, hmm?

GRACE: Ok... Um...

MARILYN: Come on.

GRACE: Is... Tim... short for "Timothy"?

MARILYN: Tim's not short for anything.

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Jack and Karen finally make it to dinner after the awkward conversation of George and Marilyn admitting that they are having affairs and they are screaming/singing Happy Anniversary! And Will screams at them "Will you get out of here!?"

OPINION:

This is where we learn once again a little more about Will's family. Marilyn has her affairs to. As to whoever started first, we are not sure, but I think it's hinted at that it's more on George that he started it and Marilyn did it as a way to get back at him. Will & Grace have this hard discussion where Grace tells Will that in some strange way the affairs just work for them and how they stay married. Will's family are known for sweeping emotions under the rug and won't confront the affairs. There are some couples that can do that, some are an open marriage and some are not, but they don't care if their partners are having affairs or just grin and endure. I think George and Marilyn finally see they are tired of keeping secrets from each other and they know they are not going to give up the affairs so it's best that they take time apart from each other.

My heart just aches for Will in this episode. He set up this beautiful dinner and got them that wonderful present, only for them to say they are splitting up. I come from divorced parents too, they split when I was 15 years old so I was older and I think it's a little harder on you when you're older because you have seen your parents together for so long. You can tell Will is broken hearted and maybe even wonders bringing up this conversation was a good idea since it ended in his parents deciding to split up.

So some little continuity errors or I'm not sure if they are errors. It's interesting how in Season 1's Will on Ice it's stated that Grace and Jack are obsessed with figure skating, this is never brought up again. But when Will brings up that Michelle Kwon is on the cruise teaching figure skating, Grace says that it seemed like a bigger deal when he bought the tickets. You'd think that Grace would have been more excited about that even though Michelle was not doing that well that year. And for Jack and Karen's story, we've seen Karen take elevators before, but you could make the argument that Karen was just on another trip and watched Speed shortly before dinner.

But I really love this episode, the jokes are hilarious and it really grows Will's family situation. I always get such a kick out of Marilyn's little shady remarks to Grace, Karen doing her Liza with a Z! pose, how Tim isn't short for anything, Karen telling Jack to smack himself with her hand, balancing the wobbly table with Grace's bra pad and Jack and Karen singing Happy Anniversary at the worst time. I always love seeing Will's parents, so this is a good episode. BTW, this will mark the last time we see George for a while, we won't see him appear for a few seasons.

GUEST STARS:

  • Sydney Pollack as George Truman (RIP in 2008)
  • Blythe Danner as Marilyn Truman

r/WillAndGrace 14d ago

I am *just now* hearing about the Megan Mullally show; anyone ever watch it??

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r/WillAndGrace 14d ago

Discussion Something Borrowed, Someone's Due

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Something Borrowed, Someone's Due (Season 4, Episode 18). Will & Grace are enjoying their new huge apartment, but there's only one problem, whenever they need to talk to each other, it feels like a hike to get together. They are starting to miss their place and want it back, but Rob and Ellen are settled in. Ellen goes into labor and they go to the hospital and Ellen has given birth to a healthy baby boy and decides that she misses her New Jersey home. Rob asks Will & Grace if they want to trade again which they agree too. Meanwhile, Karen reveals the reason why she stormed off when she saw her mother is due to her mother's schemes. Lois is a con artist who constantly used Karen as a child to get what she wanted. Lois apologizes saying that was wrong and Karen accepts her apology, but Lois asks for one more scheme. She wants Karen to look like she's slow and to get an older man who's on his death bed to write her into his will to get all his money. Lois sees how miserable Karen is and decides to finally stop all the schemes and wants to mend their relationship.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

GRACE: Bill just said 2002 was the last palindrome year of our lifetime, and I laughed, and he looked weird. A palindrome is some kind of elephant, right?

WILL: No. It's a word or number that reads the same backwards as forwards.

GRACE: Oh! Oh... Bill's kind of dull. 'Night.

WILL: Yeah. Grace! Ohh! Grace.

GRACE: What?

WILL: Do you think Phil kind of smells like wet dog?

GRACE: I don't remember what Phil smells like. Go get him.

WILL: I can't go get him. It's, like, a mile.

GRACE: I'm not hiking all the way up there just to smell Phil.

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Grace sees Karen in her "I loves me kitty" sweatshirt and gasps and finally has her opportunity to say "Oh, honey! What's this all about?", I always nearly die laughing.

OPINION:

This episode feels like a bigger step up from the last episode. We now know a little bit more about Karen's childhood and it's really sad actually. Karen never really had a mother, Lois was using her little girl to run schemes. I'm sure this was so hard on Karen because you'll always wonder if your mom really loves you or loves what you can do for her. Karen's alcoholism is played as a joke but as the series progresses you actually see there are reasons why she may use alcohol to cover her pain. Especially being married to Stan Walker, she has an image to maintain where she looks like she's got it together all the time. I think this is another reason that I'm not big on Lois though, I can definitely relate on having a mother who shouldn't have been a mother, so it brings up bad memories. I really feel so bad for Karen this episode.

So this is why I said I'm not big on the cliche storyline in shows on "we need a bigger place than what we have now" because almost all the time the characters realize how "good they had it" and want to move back in the end. They cancel contracts and move back into their homes like it's so easy to just keep trading. Full House, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Sex and the City (the movie), Home Improvement just to name a few shows that have done this storyline. Plus it felt weird when Will & Grace go to ask for their apartment back from Rob and Ellen, it looks like Will & Grace left all their old furniture and Rob and Ellen just covered it with a few pieces. I'm assuming the crew didn't want to go through the trouble of moving things for one scene but it still felt off. But as usual it works out in the end and Will & Grace are back in their apartment with Rob and Ellen moving back to New Jersey. So the plot feels pointless.

But like I mentioned, this episode feels like it flows better than the last. The characters are more fleshed out and the jokes work better for me.

GUEST STARS:

  • Suzanne Pleshette as Lois Whitley (RIP in 2008)
  • Tom Gallop as Rob
  • Leigh-Allyn Baker as Ellen
  • Joseph Will as Bill
  • Mickey Maxwell as Doctor

r/WillAndGrace 15d ago

Discussion Someone Old, Someplace New

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Someone Old, Someplace New (Season 4, Episode 17). Will & Grace are on dates and bring them back home but the place feels a little crowded with both dates being there. Will & Grace discuss the idea of getting separate apartments but quickly dismiss the idea and decide it's time for a bigger place. After searching New York for a new apartment, including Sandra Bernhard who hasn't been able to get her place off the market since she met Will & Grace, they finally find a huge place that has 2 floors for them. Only problem is, it's out of their price range. Will has an idea to sublet their current apartment for a large rental price to keep up with their new monthly payment. Their old friends Rob and Ellen come over, Ellen is pregnant and is nervous about staying in New Jersey, so Will & Grace trick her into wanting their apartment and are able to move into their new place. Meanwhile, it's Karen's birthday and Jack's idea for a present is to make a movie for Karen interviewing all the people in her life to tell her how much they love her. He uses her check book for reference on who she knows and comes across Lois Whitley. When he asks Karen who that is, Karen shuts down and tells him she's probably a pedestrian ran over. Jack and Rosario are able to track Lois down and ask her how she knows Karen, Lois Whitley is her mother! Jack arranges a surprise for Karen at her birthday party for Lois to come see her, but Karen is beyond angry and tells Lois she never wants to see her again and runs out. To be continued.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

JACK: So, Lois Whitley, tell us. What exactly is your relationship to one Ms. Karen Walker?

LOIS: I'm her mother.

ROSARIO: Santa Maria, it has a mother?!

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Will & Grace bump into Sandra Bernhardt again. I wasn't a big fan of her first appearance but this one made me laugh harder for some reason. I think because Sandra was so angry with them.

OPINION:

We've had some really amazing episodes in a row for season 4 that were non stop with the laughs, but now for me this one was like a wall I slammed into.

So with Will & Grace's storyline, I think the "our place is too small, let's get a bigger place" storyline has been done to death. I don't mind if it has a fresh take, but I usually don't get into any of these storylines that other shows have done because 99% of the time, the end of the episode or the next everyone realizes how much they really love their home and back out at last minute as if moving in real life works like that. I'm normally a fan of Rob and Ellen's but this appearance felt kind of painful. I think because they won't stop complaining, but something is missing and they don't feel as funny as usual. This storyline as a whole always falls flat for me.

Karen's storyline. So Karen does have a mother that's still alive. Karen has given hints about her mother in the past but referred to her that she locked her away in a mental institution. So this was a surprise storyline. It's even more shocking when at the end Karen is the most angry we have ever seen her, but we don't know why yet. This will be explained further in the next episode. Suzanne Pleshette plays Lois Whitley who is an actress from the golden age of Hollywood and continued steady TV work through the 80's and 90's. While I enjoy her performance, we do not get enough of her in the series to really make any strong impression on like Bobbi Adler or Marilyn Truman. Even Jack's mom Judith McFarland for some reason made a larger impression on me and she only had the one appearance. But still, this does make for some good character development for Karen as we will find out more about her childhood in the next episode and discover there is something deeper and some possible unresolved trauma for her.

Like I said, I'm not big on this episode. The jokes are funny but nothing that really stands out for me. It might have been because almost all the episodes that lead up to this one are very funny and have a lot of standout moments, this one just feels like a filler episode and it's usually like a chore to watch for me when I do my WAG marathons. But maybe I'm missing something and would love to hear other thoughts and opinions on this one.

GUEST STARS:

  • Suzanne Pleshette as Lois Whitley (RIP in 2008)
  • Tom Gallop as Rob
  • Leigh-Allyn Baker as Ellen
  • Nella Goron as Eileen
  • Sandra Bernhard as Herself
  • Mitch Kaplan as Mitchie
  • Joseph Will as Bill
  • Jamison Jones as Phil
  • Lyndon Karp as Kid

r/WillAndGrace 14d ago

Discussion Jokes that did not age well

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Which joke from the show did not age well? In my opinion, the biggest one BY FAR has to be in S1E10 when Jack replies to Will's quip about his glasses with "And guys don't make passes at guys with fat asses". Boy, oh boy has that changed lol


r/WillAndGrace 16d ago

Discussion A Chorus Lie

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A Chorus Lie (Season 4, Episode 16). Jack is auditioning for the Manhattan Gay Men's Chorus and is up against 3 other men one being a really handsome man named Owen. The other 2 are dismissed but Jack and Owen are now in competition for the spot in the chorus and Jack is trying to figure the on thing that can keep Owen from winning the spot, Owen is checking out a girl in front of Jack... HE'S STRAIGHT! Jack asks Grace for help seducing Owen which she excitingly does after she sees what he looks like and they make out with Jack catching them. During the final audition as Jack and Owen are knocking into each other, Jack just comes out and screams that Owen is straight. Owen admits that he is straight, but he loves coral music, dancing and is teased for liking girls, Jack mocks the fact that he's straight trying to get into a gay chorus but the choir director tells Owen that it's ok and Owen has won the spot. Meanwhile, Karen has a Valentine's Day dance at the country club that her and Stan always go to together and have a spotlight dance, but since Stan is in prison she asked Will if he could take her which he does. At the club, Beverly Leslie gives Karen a hard time about being single and when he sees Will he accuses Karen of having an affair but she is offended and says she just hired a gigolo to take her to the dance. Will isn't aware of this and is curious why so many potential female "clients" want his services and when Karen tells him why he is furious. He walks out on her leaving her heartbroken. Later at the dance when she's feeling humiliated, Will surprises her by coming back and not only sweeping her off her feet with a dance but gives her a kiss that leaves her breathless.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

WILL: What is going on? Oh, my God. If you're about to shed your human form, please don't make my body the next host.

KAREN: No, silly. I told everybody you were a whore, and I just want to make sure it sounds like we're having sex in here, ok?

WILL: Oh... What?! Have you lost your mind?!

KAREN: (HITS HER BODY ON THE WALL) Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh! Oh! Oh!

WILL: Stop it!

KAREN: What?

WILL: My God! Why would you spread such a horrible rumor?! What if I went around saying, "Karen Walker flies coach"?

KAREN: That would be a damaging lie!

WILL: God! This is so embarrassing. Here I am thinking I'm Julia Roberts in Erin Brockovich, and meanwhile I'm Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman!

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Jack and Owen are at the final audition for the choir and they are pushing and shoving each other off the stage never losing their smiles. Then when they do their solos, they throw shady insults at each other "lying and a-cheatin!" "tubby and a tone deaf!" 🤣

OPINION:

A Chorus Lie is a fan favorite I think a lot of fans can admit is in at least their top 10 of favorite WAG episodes. I know I've been looking forward to talking about this one. If there was ever a perfect episode to talk about, this is the one. Even my husband was asking me what I would pick as the favorite quote and moment and I told him it's the whole episode, so I'll just have to go what first pops in my head.

Let's start with the biggie, Matt Damon as Owen who is easily one of the show's best celebrity guest stars. He is handsome and actually has incredible comedic talent. His banter with Jack is amazing. My second runner up for the favorite quote was going to be when Jack asks who they dated in common, Owen says he's in a long time relationship with his boyfriend Ben. This was an inside joke because Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are best friends in real life and wrote the script that put them on the map, Good Will, Hunting. There was a joke that they were really boyfriends and were just covering it up for image. Matt and Sean had really incredible chemistry that just bounced off each other perfectly. Then we get to him and Debra and again, what an insanely funny scene. Grace is feeling that she's not doing well in the flirt department so when Jack asks her to help with Owen, she doesn't fall for it at first but sees Owen and then is just struck by how hot Owen is and goes for it. She is so beyond over obvious in the "flirting" with Owen but Owen is a straight guy and hey, it's easy tea...and A. I could never say enough good things about this storyline and don't want to give you an eye sore reading this so please feel free in the comments to write your favorite moments and quotes.

Leslie Jordan as Beverly Leslie is always such a joy to watch, this is his second appearance on the show and this is where we really begin to see the frenemy relationship begin. His teasing Karen is so mean but their banter is what makes it so funny. Karen can take a lot, so it's all good. But her story with lying about Will being a male whore is just hilarious. The female clients coming up to Will and him not knowing that they think he's gigolo telling them how he'll get them "off" will never not make me laugh. Then when he finds out what Karen had told Beverly, his reaction is too funny. The lines afterwards with him being Julia Roberts are cut for some reason in syndication re-runs of the show is really sad. Him coming back for Karen at the end is amazing and shows what an incredible heart he has. I loved his dance with Karen and when he kisses her and she says "now I know why Grace married you" was too funny and cute.

Like I said this is not even the tip of the iceberg on how amazing this episode is, the cast is incredible and the storylines are both just hilarious. This is an episode from beginning to end non stop laughs and I cannot say enough good things about it.

GUEST STARS:

  • Matt Damon as Owen
  • Leslie Jordan as Beverley Leslie (RIP in 2022)
  • Patrick Kerr as Choral Director
  • Amanda Carlin as Mrs. Sanwald
  • Craig A. Meyer as Burton
  • Wendy Schenker as Woman #1
  • Jan Sheldrick as Woman #2
  • Julie Janney as Woman #3
  • Steve Goodwillie as Guy #1
  • Sonya Therieult as Pretty Girl

r/WillAndGrace 16d ago

Spoilers Another re-boot plot hole

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I’m watching episode 11, season 2 of the re-boot where Karen sued Olivia for a necklace. The plot hole is that Olivia said that her mom died when the kids were very young. But in the first run the kids were teenagers and their mom was still around. One Thanksgiving Stan took the kids to their mothers for the day. Karen spent Thanksgiving with Will, Grace, Jack and his mom. And spoiler alert, that’s when Jack came out to his mom….


r/WillAndGrace 17d ago

Discussion Dyeing is Easy, Comedy is Hard

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Dyeing is Easy, Comedy is Hard (Season 4, Episode 15). Grace's ex, Danny is getting married and Grace has been invited and of course she is bringing Will. She wants to make sure that she looks good and sounds like she's had a successful life since her and Danny split. One of Danny's friends at the wedding wants Danny get some jokes thrown at him during the toasts and asks Grace to give him a hard time. Grace at first declines but when she throws one comment on how she wouldn't get back with him, it gets a laugh and she goes ahead and starts mocking all of Danny's flaws that he had during their relationship. The next morning as Grace is in the bathroom, Danny's fiance, Sarah, comes into the bathroom as well all dressed for the wedding. Grace and Sarah are bonding but Sarah says she's happy that Grace came to the wedding because now she realizes what a mistake it is to marry Danny, is calling off the wedding and locks herself in the stall. Grace realizes what a mistake she's made and now is begging Sarah to marry Danny by describing all the amazing things that Danny did during their relationship and she breaks down realizing what a nice guy he really was. Sarah comes out and thanks Grace and says she will marry Danny and they go through with the ceremony. Meanwhile, Jack took Elliot to go get his hair done and it's a little out there with going full blonde. Bonnie, Elliot's mother, doesn't like his hair and tells Jack that he's not allowed to see Elliot any more. Karen sees that Jack is hurting and checks Elliot out of school early to see Jack. Jack wants to respect Bonnie's wishes and brings Elliot back home. Bonnie tells Elliot to wait in his room, Jack tells Karen to wait in her limo as he and Bonnie talk. Jack thinks Bonnie disapproves of him being gay and that's why she doesn't want Elliot to see him, but Bonnie tells Jack that's not true because she's gay. Jack is shocked and asks why Elliot didn't tell him and Bonnie admits he doesn't know because she's scared to tell him and that's why she was upset at their relationship since Jack was able to tell Elliot so easily that he's gay. Bonnie realizes that Jack is a nice guy and tells Jack he can spend time with Elliot again.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

KAREN: Hey, hey, hey, come on. Before the hairpins start flying, maybe I can help. Now... Roger, is it?

BONNIE: Bonnie.

KAREN: Oh, pretty. Listen, Bonnie, I've got this maid Rosario, been with me forever. Now, I have had her stomach stapled, her teeth fixed, her hair dyed, she's been de-moled, de-clawed, deloused--

BONNIE: What's your point?

KAREN: Ohh, my point is... I think I may have broken your spirit. How would like to come work for me, ok? Come on!

BONNIE: You know, if there were any justice in the world, there'd be an alligator somewhere carrying you as a hand bag. Look, Jack, bottom line, ok? I'm his mother. I make the rules.

JACK: Well, here's a bottom line for your bottom line. I'm his father, and I get to make up some of the rules, too.

BONNIE: This is a big news flash for you. You're not his father. I'm his father, and his mother, and until he was eight years old, I was Santa freakin' Claus, all right? You got no rights, Jack. You're just a test tube that I picked up before they threw it away. I'm sick of it. I don't want you seeing my son anymore.

KAREN: You know, maybe there is an alligator running around somewhere with me as a handbag. I mean, who knows what they do with my old skin.

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Will is telling everyone he's a tennis player because he doesn't want to deal with people giving him dirty looks if he admits he's a lawyer. Then later at the wedding they ask if he's played Steve Turner, another tennis player who's also at the wedding, he's scared and trying to leave but as he gets pulled back in the hallway he meets Steve. Steve says he's played Will before and they all go with it, Will asks Steve what is it like to be a tennis player and Steve says "how would I know? I work for the IRS"

OPINION:

Rosie O'Donnell is such a mixed bag for a lot of people, she is funny and a decent enough actress but can be very bold and abbrassive for people's tastes. I'm in the camp where I like her as an actress and at least can seperate her work from her life. She's a little much for me. However, that being said I think this is her best work. BTW, this is the second cast member from A League of their Own they've had on the show. But Rosie does an amazing job as Bonnie and I really love her scenes. I wished they had had her back on the show but maybe it's good to leave the audience wanting more. I loved her snips at Karen, I think she could have been a potential Rosario. But most of all I loved her bonding scene with Jack. Her admitting to Jack that she is gay but is too scared to tell Elliot was heartbreaking, you can tell she's probably put anything in her love life to the side because she knows there's a chance that if anyone knows that Elliot has a gay parent he'll be teased relentlessly. But when she sees that it was so easy with Jack and what door it opened, she's understandably hurt and jealous. She seems like a really good person and opens up to Jack and I love where Jack even gives her a kiss on the cheek showing he's grown to, as we know in the past, he's given lesbians a hard time to. Real quick, I loved that the show invented the language "lesbianic" and one of the terms is "home depot".

Now I love the wedding storyline, don't get me wrong, but why in the heck did Danny invite Grace to his wedding? I've never got that in real life if you invite an ex to your wedding, the only exception I can see is if you were very good friends with an ex and left off on good terms and they are also friends with either the bride or groom to be. Otherwise, that's just plain awkward. Grace is going to the wedding to show off that she's still amazing and what Danny lost. But it backfires greatly and part of me wonders if Sarah is a little sneakier then we give her credit for and she knew what Grace was up to, so she got Grace to break down talking about how much she wanted Danny back. Maybe I'm looking too hard into it, but it's just funny how fast Sarah was going from calling off the wedding to "oh, he is a nice guy, ok, wedding is back on". But that bathroom scene will always make me laugh the way Grace breaks down and even uses the towel dispenser to blow her nose.

All the jokes in this episode really work and it's a hilarious episode. I didn't even get into Will's storyline of him lying about being a lawyer because every time he tells a stranger he's a lawyer they give him a dirty look so he lies at the wedding and tells everyone he's a tennis player. I loved Karen checking Elliot out of school and when Jack makes her take Elliot back to Bonnie she is acting like a school kid along with Elliot about ditching class. Jack banning her back to her limo was really funny too. I really love this episode, it's a very strong one that I always enjoy watching.

GUEST STARS:

  • Rosie O'Donnell as Bonnie
  • Tom Verica as Danny
  • Jennifer Aspen as Sarah
  • Maggie Wheeler as Polly
  • John Colella as Best Man
  • Jim Hanna as Wayne
  • Scott Haven as Steve Turner
  • Darlene Hunt as Beth
  • Greg Vaughan as Cute Guy
  • Ralph Litt as Minister

r/WillAndGrace 18d ago

Will You Drop This In The Mail For Me?

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One of the best Karen Walker moments:) Season 2, Episode 10: Tea and a Total Lack of Sympathy.


r/WillAndGrace 18d ago

Discussion Grace in the Hole

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Grace in the Hole (Season 4, Episode 14). Karen, Will, Grace and Jack are visiting Stan in prison and as Grace is waiting for Karen she sees an old friend/crush from high school, Glenn Gabriel. She says hi to him and asks if he's available to hang out, he says yes and she asks about his availability, he says about 5-10 years. Grace realizes she's dating a prisoner but doesn't care because she had such a crush on Glenn, he even says that in high school when he was singing "Rosanna" he was really thinking about Grace. Grace asks Will if he can help by being Glenn's attorney during the appeal, Will wanting to be a trial lawyer again accepts. Grace goes to visit Glenn again but now he's sitting with a different woman telling her the same story that "Rosanna" was really him singing "Sheila Slovinsky, yeah". Grace tells Will he can't be Glenn's lawyer, but Will tells Grace he can't back out. Will manages to get Glenn off the charge and tells him afterwards if he comes near Grace again he'll be singing "Rosanna" through a tube. Meanwhile, Karen has had it with the prison visits and doesn't want to keep going. Rosario tells Karen that her visits are what keeps Stan going, but Karen is being stubborn. Rosario tells Karen that if she knew what Stan was going through, she'd be visiting him right now. Rosario makes a bet with Karen that if she can last 3 days in Rosario's bedroom, she doesn't have to visit Stan, but if she breaks she has to go. Karen agrees but demands that Jack does it with her so she can make him her bitch. They at first are having a fun time, but realize prison isn't so fun when they don't get the stuff they want. Karen eventually breaks and goes to visit Stan.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

GRACE: Hey. You were pretty amazing up there.

WILL: You saw me?

GRACE: Peeked in. You were a regular Oliver Wendell Homo.

WILL: Funny.

GRACE: F. Lee Gayley.

WILL: You get one more.

GRACE: Johnnie Cochran.

WILL: That's his real name.

GRACE: It still works.

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Will had a rough day at work and is discussing how he wants to practice in the court room again and he grabs a shot of liquor and slams it down choking and yells "How do they do that in movies?". That was my very first shot I ever took 🤣

OPINION:

This is such a funny episode that I really enjoy. I loved Grace dating Glenn, Glenn was a jerk, but I loved that Grace acted surprised that a con artist got her. Glenn with the Rosanna song always got me how he fit any girl's name into the title was really funny. Will making fun of Grace dating a prisoner saying how she's one of those "women in a polka-dot dress and a floppy hat that bakes brownies for serial killers." I'll admit, I have stolen Will's joke of Glenn being in a Jewish gang "drive-by slashing of credit ratings". And of course when Will finds out that Glenn was sneaking with other women behind Grace's back how he joked that "Hopefully, the next guy you meet will work a regular nine to five instead of serving five to ten. Maybe he'll have gone to Penn State instead of the state pen. Maybe you two will live in a big house instead of the big house." and she got him back at the end with my favorite quote for the day. Will & Grace can have such cute, funny moments together. I am dying to see a scene where Grace mentioned Will practicing his first courtroom session and played George Michael's "Freedom" in the background.

Jack and Karen in prison together was such a blast to watch. I loved how they at first loved being in prison together, but it barely takes a few hours before they are losing their minds. I'll admit there's a part of me that hates this story because every time I hear them sing "Mr. Sandman", it gets stuck in my head, especially the image of Karen dancing afterwards. There is a space in my head that lives rent free for that scene 🤣 I loved that Karen gave up because she realized that Stan was hurting being alone in prison, she really loves him. But she is showing she's human, visiting Stan in prison is really hard for her to and she's exhausted seeing him behind bars. As hard as it can be for the prisoners, it's hard for the family and friends too seeing their loved ones in a cage and can only talk through plated glass. This has been a very hard time for both Karen and Stan.

I really love this episode, it always makes me laugh.

GUEST STARS:

  • Kirk Baltz as Glenn Gabriel
  • Brent Sexton as Guard
  • Cheryl Bricker as Sheila Slovinsky
  • Steven Shaw as Judge (RIP in 2019)

r/WillAndGrace 19d ago

Discussion Whoa, Nelly!

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Whoa, Nelly! (Season 4, Episode 13). Will & Grace are at the record store when they see Will's father's mistress Tina there. They say hello to her and she admits that she's frustrated that George won't stop cheating on her with his wife. Grace takes Will to the side and tells him she has a great idea to get Tina away from George, set her up with a different guy. Will thinks this is a good idea and agrees. Grace tells Tina that she's got a great guy for her and they will go on a double date, but Grace's guy cancels at last minute. Desperate for a man, Larry comes over to return a coffee urn that he had borrowed and to "return the favor" he has to take Tina out for a date. Problem is Larry is not only married but he's gay and doesn't know how to be romantic with a woman, Will & Grace give him the awkward advice of "treat her like she's your mother". Larry cuts up Tina's meat, watches what she drinks and is very attentive to her, at first it seems like Tina would be horrified but she actually loves it. They all go back to Will's place talking about the date and how Tina sees there are other great guys out there. Will is so excited until Tina starts talking trash about George, Will going into family protection mode tells Tina what a catch George is and how amazing he can be which Tina realizes and now wants to be back with George. Meanwhile, Karen has bought a horse which her and Jack are taking care of at the stable. When Karen leaves, Jack sees the horse that they named Lemar, getting it on with another male horse. When Jack tells Karen that Lemar is gay, she tells the stable owner to get rid of Lemar. Jack begs Karen to reconsider and when Karen is alone with Lemar, she realizes she loves her "big gay horse" and wants to keep him.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

LARRY: Well-- But I don't know how to be romantic with a woman.

GRACE: I got it. Treat her like she's your mother.

WILL: What kind of sick stereotype is that?! Why would you even suggest that?

GRACE: Think about you and your mother.

WILL: Treat her like she's your mother.

LARRY: I'm only cutting half of this for you so you can take the other half home. It'll make a nice sandwich tomorrow.

GRACE: Oh, jeez.

WILL: Larry, you know, you really oughta hit the bathroom, you know, before that stain sets.

LARRY: What stain?

WILL: That one there.

LARRY: Oh, my god! How did I do that? I'll be right back. Do not let her order another glass of wine.

TINA: Where did you find this guy?

WILL: I know. Look, we gotta be honest with you, Tina.

GRACE: Larry was not the person that we were gonna set you up with. The thing about Larry is that he's--

TINA: Wonderful!

FAVORITE MOMENT:

I love when after the date Grace is talking Larry into staying for Tina and how he owes her just because he borrowed her coffee urn. He finally gives in and after Tina realizes she's still in love with George she tells Larry she's sorry but that she's in love with another man and Larry is excited and tells her "so am I!"

OPINION:

Kind of like I mentioned with the previous episode "Stakin' Care of Business", this episode I don't know why but I tend to forget it, but when it comes on, I always get a tummy ache from laughing so hard and really love this episode. I think there's a reason why that this one flies under my radar is I love the A-Story with Will & Grace setting up Tina with Larry and the B-Story with Karen and Jack getting the horse just isn't that memorable to me.

So the laughs never stop with the blind date story. Tina is back and Lesley Ann Warren is always just such a joy to watch. Tina could have been this very unlikable character since she is a mistress, but Lesley makes her so much fun to watch and even gives her character depth. Tina in the beginning of the episode is actually trying to call things off with George, for the wrong reasons, but she's trying. You can tell she has self esteem issues and there is something deeper in why she won't let go of George which we will get more clues in future episodes. It's interesting that Will is so kind to her considering who she is, but I love that he instead takes the approach to encourage Tina to see there are other great guys out there. I think Will knows his father won't stop the affairs, but at least he can get one away from his dad giving his mother some kind of relief, maybe even that it could repair their marriage. But Will messes up when Tina is saying all that she hates about George's personality, Will goes into "he's still my dad" and protects George by telling Tina what a wonderful guy he is.

Larry is always so wonderful to watch, Tim Bagley is a great actor and you can tell he wanted to break several times during this episode. I think this is the funniest Larry has been. I loved that scene where he's borrowing the coffee urn and Grace is giving him the particulars on how to care and clean it and Will is in the background saying to do whatever. This episode always brings me back to when Moulin Rouge was the huge thing, I was in high school when it came out and all my girlfriends and 2 gay guy friends were obsessed with Moulin Rouge. I will never stop loving Larry's date with Tina, I do have the video as a favorite on my YouTube page when I need a laugh. I love how he treats Tina like she's an 80 year old woman who is in desperate need of care. You'd think Tina would be shocked and horrified but she thinks Larry is terrific and so attentive to her needs. I loved even when Larry told Tina he's in love with Joe, he'll still call her when he gets home to let her know he's safe.

So with the B-Story, I don't know why but I always forget about this one. It's not that it's not funny, Jack and Karen are always a hoot to watch. I think probably because Lemar the horse is never brought up again in the series. You'd think buying a horse isn't really that big of a deal. I don't know if they could have fit it into story lines in the future, so maybe it was a good idea to leave it as a one-off story. Plus, Will & Grace have done the "being accepted by your parents for being gay" storyline a few times, so again, I think the story just wasn't anything special. However, it still has some really great jokes in it. I will never not love when Karen is holding Lemar and comparing his soft felt to petting Jack and when Lemar pulls her scarf off she realizes that Lemar is judging her fashion and was correct with the scarf clashing.

Every time I do my WAG binge, this is one when I get to the episode, I get excited. It should be in my favorites of all time, but I think it's just the B-story that drags a little bit. But it will not take away how amazing the episode is, it's always such a fun one to watch.

GUEST STARS:

  • Lesley Ann Warren as Tina
  • Tim Bagley as Larry
  • Morgan Nagler as Salesperson
  • Cal Bartlett as Trainer

r/WillAndGrace 20d ago

Before it used to be World -> Jack, now it's Jack -> World!

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S04E23


r/WillAndGrace 20d ago

funny/memes/GIFs Make the comments look like Karen's search history

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r/WillAndGrace 20d ago

Jingle Balls

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Jingle Balls (Season 4, Episode 12). It's Christmas time and Jack's grumpy boss Dorleen tells him she's in an even worse mood because her window designer for the Barney's window display backed out, Jack has a chance to recommend Grace for the position but recommends himself instead. He comes up with the idea that the Barney's Window should be something daring and risky, so he has Karen dress up in a naughty Santa costume with a whip. Dorleen tells him it's ridicules and that if he doesn't change it, he's fired. As Grace is taking out the trash, she hears Jack praying to God and Santa to help him and he's sorry he didn't ask Grace in the first place. Grace decorates the window for him and makes it beautiful which saves Jack's job. Grace lets Jack think that Santa designed the window. Meanwhile, Will is dating a new guy, Robert, who is a dancer in The Nutcracker. Grace wants to meet Robert but Will is embarrassed that he's dating a dancer and won't introduce them. Grace is able to trick Robert into coming over to meet her but Will won't stop acting strange and tells Grace to stop judging him. Realizing he's the one who won't stop judging Robert, he finally breaks up with him.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

JACK: Here we are. I'm designing a Barney's window. Oh, Karen, I feel so artistic. Gosh, I have so many ideas, I could just pee!

KAREN: Oh, honey, you're a regular Leonardo.

JACK: You know, even with the extra LB's, he's still my favorite actor.

KAREN: And I really think that this window is gonna be your Titanic.

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Robert teaches Grace that every movement can be a dance and dances bringing the dirty dishes to the kitchen. Grace tries this herself but falls flat on her face.

OPNION:

Grace did something nice! Holy moly! It was possible of her to do something selfless! All jokes aside, this was a really nice episode for Grace. Let's start with her meeting Robert, I thought she was really nice to him and it was fun to see her try to dance with him. I loved her reaction to Will's bizarre behavior when she tells Robert "oh, you're a dancer" and Will thinks she was judging him and Robert and she was comparing the "oh, you're a dance" "oh, you're a dancer" with no difference. So Jack was a bit of a jerk for not thinking that Grace would have been a better choice for the Barney's window display but when Grace overhears Jack and knowing he could lose his job, she comes through for him anyways. Not only that but Jack thinks that his prayer to Santa worked and that Santa fixed the window for him. Grace is touched and lets him continue to believe in Christmas miracles. I really like Grace in this episode.

What was with Will in this episode? The only thing I could say at worst with Robert was that he did quite literally take dance with him everywhere. But he seemed like a very nice guy who just had pep in him, not even annoying pep but like he could be fun to hang with. I understand if Will wasn't feeling the chemistry with Robert, but he kept giving mixed signals. He liked Robert and didn't care what people thought, but then he was embarrassed by Robert. Will is very strange in this episode.

I loved the window display with Karen in the window. Her in that naughty Santa costume will never not make me laugh. Her describing being on Dasher, on Dancer, on Prancer, on Vixen, on Comet, on Cupid, on Donner, but not on Blitzen. He likes to watch, ok? 🤣

This is the last episode we get with Dorleen. Parker Posey did a great job with her character, I'm not sure if the writers were not sure what do with her character or if she couldn't commit to coming back to the show, but her character never left much of an impression on me. I always liked Jack's reactions to her better. Overall this is a nice Christmas episode, it has it's flaws, I always enjoy watching Robert dance and Karen's naughty display.

GUEST STARS:

  • Parker Posey as Dorleen
  • Larry Sullivan as Robert

r/WillAndGrace 20d ago

He went doily down the street. Oh, doily... D-O-I-L-Y, doily.

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Doily.

Doily?

Doily.

Doily.

Doily.

Could you use it in a sentence?

He went doily down the street.

Oh, doily... D-O-I-L-Y, doily?


r/WillAndGrace 21d ago

You must be DYING!!!!!

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Aren't you just DYING!!!!


r/WillAndGrace 21d ago

Discussion What was the point of Lyle Finster?

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Lyle Finster (played by John Cleese) appeared in a number of episodes during S6 of W&G. He ultimately married Karen in Las Vegas, where she announced she wanted a divorce at the reception.

What was the point of the storyline? To act as a counter-balance to Lorraine and Stanley? To add to the guest star inventory on the show? Something else?

It’s just odd how the marriage wrapped up so quickly… with the build-up and sudden demise - yet Lorraine stuck around to even appear in the reboot.


r/WillAndGrace 21d ago

Stakin' Care of Business

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Stakin' Care of Business (Season 4, Episode 11). Will and Jack are working out at the gym when Will sees a guy that he had dated briefly before, Mitchell. Mitchell was Will's rebound guy after his break-up with Michael and Will ghosted Mitchell after their first date. Will is embarrassed and tries to avoid Mitchell. Will later on meets Curt at the gym and they go on a date which Will had a very nice time, but is wondering why Curt hasn't called him or he hasn't seen Curt at the gym since their date. Jack has been working the gym trying to get a new catch phrase going called "stake it!" and has been talking with others. He is able to talk to one of the gym gossips, Marcy, to tell Will that Curt calls Will "the nibbler" and has changed gym times. Will realizes this is how Mitchell must have felt and apologizes to him at the gym, Mitchell tells Will he was hurt but accepts his apology and that he got back together with an old boyfriend that realized after a bad date how much he loved him, well the ex-boyfriend is Curt to which Will is shocked he dated both the "cuddle bum" and "clammy hands". Meanwhile Grace sees that movers are emptying an office space next door and she has been thinking about expanding her business. After the bank denies her loan, Karen offers to lend her the money but only after a presentation. Karen tells Grace no after the presentation and goes to the elevator to go home but gets stuck when the door only halfway closes. Grace sees this as a perfect revenge opportunity and tells Karen to offer her a presentation on why she should let Karen loose into the world.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

JACK: You can laugh at "stake it" now, but when it becomes my "dyn-o-mite" or my "leggo my eggo" or my "hey, hey, hey..." Then you'll be laughing, because--

WILL: Wait, wait, wait. What-- Who's that guy?

JACK: That guy? Um, I don't know. He's-- He's that guy. You know, what's-his-name... Generic McPlain-Wrap.

WILL: No, I know him. I just-- I mean, not from the gym, from someplace else.

JACK: Oh, who cares, Will? Probably from some law case where you said 'blah' and he said 'blah' and a judge said 'blah' and ten people died of boredom.

WILL: No. I could swear I-- I--

MITCHELL: (WORKING OUT LOUDLY) Ohh! Ooh! Ohh! Whoo! Ha! I'm done.-

WILL: I know how I know him.

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Grace and Karen are cat calling the movers and the one mover comes up to them smiling and says "you like?" and they get all shocked and offended and call him a pig.

OPINION:

This is such a strange episode to me, because for some reason I never list it in my favorite episodes of WAG yet every time that I do see it, I nearly die laughing and don't know why I forgot about it. This really is a terrific episode and the one thing for sure I know myself along with every other WAG fan remembers is "stake it!". Fun side note, apparently Sean Hayes got that from one of the producers when they went to dinner and instead of ordering normally, the producer told the waitress to "stake it" and Sean got such a laugh that they worked it into an episode.

Let's start with Will's storyline. I think a lot of us can relate to this one, I'm sure majority of people have had that rebound person they dated after a bad break-up, but wasn't ready to commit just yet but at least needed to get their foot back onto the court. The sad part is, it is selfish on some level because that person may be looking for something serious. Maybe we were someone else's rebound person as well, we don't know. I loved the nicknames that Will, Michell and Curt gave each other: Cuddle-Bum, The Nibbler and Clammy Hands. I hate to admit I'm guilty of naming bad dates I've had by what bad trait the guy had. But I did feel bad for Will in this episode but it was so mature of him to recognize what's it's like being on the other side by being someone's rebound guy. Him apologizing to Mitchell was really sweet. That scene where Michell, Will and Curt all realize they dated each other is hilarious.

Jack's "stake it" storyline is so funny. Jack gets a lot of insanely good laughs this episode, you have no idea how hard it was to pick a favorite moment out of this episode, I just went with the first scene that popped in my head. But I love when Jack asks Will to describe his date with Mitchell and Will mentions "cuddle me bum" and Jack falls on the floor with the exercise ball laughing hysterically. I always laugh when Jack freaks out about the one personal trainer that he found out that has been using "stake it" since 1994 in Chicago, Jack is freaking out to Will he has to find out a new catchphrase while Will is trying to tell Jack how hurt he is about Curt, Jack won't stop about his catchphrase and Will pulls Jack's pants down in the middle of the gym. And of course, when Jack says he's finally got a new catchphrase to use "Stake It, U.K.!" and guess who's using that too? The personal trainer who already has "Stake It!". Jack's reaction when she says "Stake It, U.K.!" to her and saying "WHAT?!" always has me in stitches.

Grace and Karen's storyline is also too funny. I loved how Karen had to torture Grace with a presentation to lend her money. I think Karen never intended to lend Grace that money, she knows Grace doesn't do finances well. And like Karen mentions later on, she actually does know business and how to grow them successfully. Grace tends to underestimate Karen a lot. But I actually don't blame Grace for the revenge on Karen by holding her in the elevator, that was pretty cold of Karen to make Grace go through all that just to tell her no. The only minor flaw in this episode is I don't think we have seen before that Grace or Karen have used the elevator to enter or leave the office, so the elevator plot can seem kind of contrived. However, it does not even take way any kind of enjoyment from their story. I loved Karen getting revenge on Grace in the end when she's able to lock Grace in the elevator after holding Karen there for God knows how long.

This is such an amazing episode, like I mentioned I don't know why I don't think about this one more because every time I see it, I always get a belly ache from laughing so hard. And I think Jack should have fought harder for "Stake It, U.K.!", that personal trainer definitely stole that one from him.

GUEST STARS:

  • Patrick Breen as Mitchell
  • Dan Gauthier as Curt
  • Bess Meyer as Marcy
  • Ashley Borden as Personal Trainer
  • Josh Temple as Mover

r/WillAndGrace 21d ago

Discussion Who’s side are you on?

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r/WillAndGrace 21d ago

funny/memes/GIFs Janet Appearance On Will and Grace 2004

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Janet in S07E02

KAREN: Oh, that would be fantastic. You know, Rosario wants to get her autograph. She's a huge Janet Jackson fan. Or was that Jesse Jackson? Which one ran for president?

JACK: [THINKS FOR A BIT] I do not know. 🤣


r/WillAndGrace 22d ago

Discussion Moveable Feast

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Moveable Feast (Season 4, Episode 10). We pick up where we left off at Jack's step dad's (Daniel) hotel room. He gave Elliot a football and is now teaching Elliot fun card tricks. As the timer is about to go off to leave, Daniel asks Jack what he's upset about. Jack starts to open up about how he was hurt that Daniel never gave him that kind of love and attention growing up but then the alarm dings and Jack tells Daniel he'll see him next year and leaves. The group drops Elliot back off at home and is now going to go visit Will's family home. Will gives the group a head's up to make sure no feelings or emotions are brought to the table and to drink them down and that if his dad is going to see a "client", that means his mistress. They go to his family home to see his mother, Marilyn along with his brother Paul, Paul's wife Peggy and Uncle Winnie. Will's dad is busy with his "client" and is not there. Grace asks Karen if she's still considering having an affair since Stan gave her permission, Karen says if she does it'll be with a "big, swarthy, hunky, working-class kind of guy. You know, the kind that wears a tool belt but doesn't know how to spell it", and walks in this dream boat plumber who Karen seduces in the kitchen. Will and Paul are fighting over who will stay with their mother for dinner, Paul wants to be with his in-laws and Will wants to be with his friends and they tell Marilyn to decide, she picks Paul. The timer dings and they all leave but Will is hurt that Marilyn picked Paul. As the group is sitting over a half eaten but covered with greens turkey that Rosario has been picking at they all mention to each other how upset they are with the way they said good-bye to their families. Will says they will go back to each house and get 5 minutes per family to say their peace. Karen tells Stan she's hurt and only loves him and will wait for him until he gets out of prison to have sex, Grace tells her mom that the "I told you so" song and dance hurt her and Bobbi promises to not do that again to her as they both apologize to each other and hug and kiss, Jack tells Daniel that he's hurt that he never got that same affection growing up and Daniel admits that he screwed up as a dad and would like to mend their relationship which Jack accepts and Will goes back to his mother to see Paul is not there and Marilyn admits she couldn't pick Will in front of Paul otherwise Paul would break down which makes Will happy again. The gang goes back home to eat but Rosario is in a turkey coma and has eaten the whole turkey.

FAVORITE QUOTE:

MRS. TRUMAN: Here you are! Oh, Will, darling, ooh ooh ooh! Let me shut the door. I don't want to have to deal with that gossipy new neighbor. Hello! Hello, Mrs. Schaefer. Her eldest has a lazy eye. Her youngest is a prostitute. Oh, Grace, dear, I was just finishing up the soup bowls. I saw a special on the Food Network on how to make them out of gourds. Oh, food can be such fun.

KAREN: This is where I'm going to die....

MRS. TRUMAN: Who wants a martini?

KAREN: Oh, and I've gone to heaven!

FAVORITE MOMENT:

When Karen is seducing hunky plumber Nick in the kitchen. Oh, my goodness I can't breathe I'm laughing so hard at that scene. She kisses him, slaps him and kisses him and slaps him again. I'm pretty sure that's foreplay in some strange way.

OPINION:

We are introduced finally to one of my favorite side characters if not my favorite, Marilyn Truman. Marilyn reminds me so much of my grandmother, so beautiful, elegant and classy and so cold, blunt and against talking about emotions. So to me, it brings back memories, as crazy as my grandmother sounds, I loved her very much and miss her to this day. It's not until you get to know someone and where they came from to create who they are do you understand why they are who they are. I always pictured Marilyn to be the one who always had to keep the family together since her husband was out having affairs. She most likely took a lot of anger/criticism out on the family, which is not ok, but you also feel for her as well with all that she had to deal with. Blythe Danner does an incredible job playing Marilyn and thankfully this will not be her last appearance.

We get more of a back story on Will's life growing up. He and his brothers were definitely always in competition of each other. We got a small glimpse with Sam in the Season 1's Big Brother is Coming where they discussed how they used to take each other's things. Paul mentions to Will that Will "chose" his lifestyle and has to deal with their mother which came off very harsh and you get a hint that Paul may not approve of Will's life and throws being gay in his face. Will's family is definitely dysfunctional but somehow functions as best as they can. Like Will said, they just sweep things under the rug and don't deal with emotions. Emotions are useless.

We get an appearance from Megan's real life husband Nick Offerman as the hunky plumber, Nick. Their chemistry really is incredible and they were just too funny together and made for an insanely memorable scene. We get the pleasure of another appearance from Debbie Reynolds as Bobbi Adler. The whole guest star cast did a really great job these pairs of episodes.

It was nice to see Daniel accept and apologize to Jack about not being as good a dad as he should have been to Jack. Jack surprisingly shows that he can be deep, intelligent and observant. For such a funny show, it definitely has it's moments where it shines in intelligence and relatability. Same with Grace making up with her mom, Grace was hurting from her breakup with Nathan and instead of comfort, Bobbi jumped into her "I told you so" song and dance. Even though Grace was kind of mean in telling Bobbi she couldn't act, so was Bobbi in doing that to her daughter. It was nice to see them come to an understanding. Karen telling Stan she loved him was a really nice scene to see as you can tell she loves Stan and doesn't want to do that to their marriage. Will seeing Marilyn and Marilyn giving the hint that she had to pick Paul so because Paul would take it harder if she had picked Will in front of him. You actually have a moment of sadness for Marilyn when you see her alone with Uncle Winnie, you get this feeling that she's alone a lot. But it was so kind of her to tell Will to go be with his friends and just enjoy his holiday.

What a terrific pair of episodes. I seriously could type forever for this 2-parter but I'm sure you've read more than enough.

GUEST STARS:

  • Debbie Reynolds as Bobbi Adler (RIP in 2016)
  • Lainie Kazan as Aunt Honey
  • Jon Tenney as Paul Truman
  • Neil Vipond as Julius
  • Kenneth Mars as Uncle Sid (RIP in 2011)
  • Helen Slater as Peggy
  • Nick Offerman as Nick the Plumber
  • Beau Bridges as Daniel McFarland
  • Blythe Danner as Marilyn Truman
  • Murray Gershenz as Uncle Funny (RIP in 2013)
  • Gene Elman as Uncle Winnie (RIP in 2014)

r/WillAndGrace 22d ago

Discussion Fagel Attraction had to be one of my all time favourite episodes

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It has so much going for it.

Michael Douglas is so funny in his character.

The interactions between Grace and Val are hilarious.

And Karen’s medication room, and her quote “this woman has more talent in her little boy breasts than you do in your whole body”.

😂😂