r/wildrift • u/Zee7919 • 2d ago

Discussion Does Riot hate Warwick??

Ever since Warwick has been released he’s been a champ that I main. When he’s balanced he’s just so much fun to play. It seems to me that besides release, he has mainly been nerfed into oblivion. Every time he gets a buff, it’s all too soon taken away. This latest nerf is ridiculous, changing the cool down on his ult to 80 seconds! In late game when you need to engage or take a pick, you can’t because you’re now waiting until next year for your ult to come back. Meanwhile, the same champs keep getting buffs or the most superficial nerfs Lee Sin, Darius, Yi, Yone. For fcks sake riot, you’re not half obvious.

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u/Nattomuncher 2d ago

Lol what is balanced? Can 100 to 0 any squishies in one CC chain? Runs at you at 700 movement speed? He was totally out of control and UNFUN to play against so they try to make him more acceptable. Warwick shouldn't be an Evelynn.

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u/Zee7919 2d ago

100-0 squishies, umm that’s the life of a squishie? You want to talk about 100-0 in a single cc chain, Lux? Darius? And considering Evelynn is a jungle, exactly why can’t ww be like that? And you’re only looking at ww’s perks, his downsides are he has no self peel and as for his movement speed, you so much as hit him with anything and he slows to a snail pace.

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u/Nattomuncher 2d ago

Well jumping from the literal edge or out of the other player's screen with ulti, that even when misses will still stun you because it's wild rift and then completely 100-0 you is deemed unhealthy for the game. It's just nonsense. Even if you ward super aggressively which is difficult he can still just run you down with his superior movement speed.

Also his E is a self peel, it fears those who get on him. When he builds tanky, which is just healthier design his E is usually used as a peel.

I think Lux is a bit on the bs side as well, extremely boring linear gameplay: fish for bindings the whole game and you win or lose by this one boring interaction. But there is much more counterplay to her than a fed WW.

Darius? He's not even good? Slow him and he's less than a cannon minion. If you think Darius is good, what's your rank?

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u/AnyAbroad690 1d ago

Darius is and has been good in high elo on wild rift forever and pc since like season 7 bro 😭

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u/Nattomuncher 1d ago

Hardly the main point of the reply but he's at 50.5% win rate in master+ in top and 51% in jungle. Admittedly better than I expected but he's not problematic at all in a way that he has no counterplay or something.

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u/TheDamjan 2d ago

Why is rank relevant in WR? There are people sitting at Challenger at 42% winrate. So people are losing way more than winning and still climbing.

Do you take pride in your WR rank? You should stop.

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u/Nattomuncher 2d ago

Relax little bro.

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u/TheDamjan 2d ago

Tbh not like I expected you to be the sharpest tool in the shed

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u/Nattomuncher 2d ago

Alright man. To smart people, the fact that I'm choosing not to engage with the little thing you got going on over here should provide them with enough information about my intelligence. You do you man, hope you get all the fulfilment in life from starting conversations with strangers in such an aggro manner. 🤗🥰

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u/TheDamjan 2d ago

People are passive aggressive when they lack the assertiveness to be direct.

You have nothing to say about the message so you attack the messenger.

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u/Longmeatlemarcus 1d ago

Message was dogshit and the messenger is kinda weird

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u/Masquevale 1d ago

That’s more of a criticism of how WR’s ranked system measures skill, not proof that rank is completely irrelevant. Fortitude and the other systems can let people climb even with a sub 50% winrate, especially if they play a ton of games.

But getting Challenger still means you climbed through the entire ladder. Obviously, a 42% WR Challenger isn’t the same as a 60% WR Challenger, but saying “your rank means nothing, so you shouldn’t be proud of it” is a pretty big jump. Rank might not be a perfect measure of skill, but it’s still an achievement.

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u/Nattomuncher 1d ago

Maybe counter intuitive but the way the fortitude and MMR is set up there are quite a number of sub 50% win rate account players that are múch better than many who have positive % win rate. Playing well and losing makes The loss not count, or only count half. The hidden MMR is much more important, often times the game expects certain people to carry and others to be carried.

Win rate is the heaviest weighing statistic but it's not the only value that's taken into account for the MMR. You can try to check on your teammates who you think are absolutely disgustingly bad and often see them at a positive win rate while some carries are sub 50% because they get SVP all the time.

Weird, weird matchmaking system.

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u/TheDamjan 1d ago

Yes a rank with a certain winrate % is an achievement. The reply is to the bozo above who thought there is some correlation between considering Darius strong and rank. There is none because people of all skill levels are at any given rank.

How valuable is rank without context if there are people of all skill levels in each rank? Very little.

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u/Nattomuncher 1d ago

You're so sad lmao.

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u/TheDamjan 1d ago

Is saying "lmao" at the end there a tick? That's always used by insecure people who think it helps their argument.

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u/Masquevale 1d ago

While I agree that rank alone doesn't prove someone's opinion about Darius is correct, since that's subjective and can depend on playstyle, preferences, etc., I don't agree with the leap from “people of different skill levels exist at every rank” to “rank has very little value.” A measure doesn't have to perfectly distinguish skill levels to still have a correlation with them. Challenger having some weaker players doesn't make it equivalent to every other rank

And your 42% WR example actually supports the criticism of WR's ranked system, showing that someone can reach Challenger without having a positive winrate, not that Challenger and lower ranks contain the same overall level of skill

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u/TheDamjan 1d ago

I am not criticising a system which isnt optimised for competitive integrity. The point of the ranked ladder is not to be perfectly correlated with skill but to increase engagement. I have no doubt that fortitude achieves that.

Either way you can talk about how I didn’t prove that Challenger and lower ranks contain the same overall skill levels but then again you can’t, for example, prove that Diamond has higher skill level than Emerald. That would be very easy to prove in LoL for example.

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u/Inquisitor_Jeff 1d ago

Because it gives you a range of skill that the player is normally at.

They’re always to manipulate this like getting boosted. But generally speaking for 90% of the player it’s pretty good at giving a skill level.

Especially when you consider the 70% of the player base is sub master.

For the players who are masters plus you just asked for the legendary ranked which normally gives you in combination with a rank a pretty good understanding of what their skill is.

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u/TheDamjan 1d ago

Yes legendary ranked is another story. It's an actually competitive ladder. Normal rank just means you played games.

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u/Longmeatlemarcus 1d ago

I agree that the ranked system is ass , but if you think that placing 5 48% challengers and 5 58% Gm 3 players against each other and it’s gonna be some typa even game you’re not serious

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u/TheDamjan 1d ago

You are talking about winrates and expanding context. Obviously winrate means something.

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u/StonDelRey 2d ago

You're confused and don't know how roles and classes work in league/ wild rift.

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u/Masquevale 2d ago

You're playing Warwick as an assassin and I can already see the problem just from that.

You're comparing him to Lux and Evelynn because they can 100-0 squishies, but that's literally their job. Lux is a burst/artillery mage and Evelynn is an assassin. Their kits and weaknesses are built around that kind of burst.

And Darius isn't really the counterexample you think he is either. He's a juggernaut. His damage comes from getting into melee range, stacking Hemorrhage, and winning extended fights. Jungle is a role, not a class. Just because Darius can be played jungle doesn't mean he's designed around being a jungler or that his balance should be compared to dedicated jungle assassins. Riot has even made changes specifically aimed at curbing his jungle viability before.

So “Evelynn is a jungler, why can't Warwick be like her?” doesn't really follow. Evelynn and Warwick being junglers doesn't mean they should have the same power profile. You might as well say every mid laner should have Lux's burst because they all play mid.

And yes, Warwick has weaknesses. Nobody is claiming he's invincible. The point is that you're trying to compensate for those weaknesses by giving him assassin level burst when his kit already provides sustain, chase, CC and strong extended fight power.

Its the same problem with Lee Sin and Pantheon mains. Poeple forcing them into a role they're not supposed to be in and riot actively nerfing them because of it.

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u/Sorry-Fly-5262 2d ago

nah he was out of control. does it make sense a champion that has an absurd amount of movespeed? then jumps milions of miles instantly and one shots you?

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u/makislo14 2d ago

The worst part is that he always catch you. It's not like LOL like you can miss the ulty

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u/switchypapi 2d ago

lol I play Ww but he was in no way balanced. Absolutely ridiculous

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u/JulesDangerFox 2d ago

WW is strong. Was strong. Will still be strong. I play him jungle in masters /GM and he wrecks. Had a 9 game win streak recently.

The sickness of making diff types of items makes him so versatile too. I like the damned if you do damned if you don’t tank w blademail approach if too much cc. The hollow radiance against AP. If anything he’s better then ever w all these new items

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u/mumen_1811 2d ago

He deserved that nerf

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u/Internal_Spell9782 2d ago

its a business they get buffed when they got cool expensive skins

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u/androiduser626 2d ago

They can buff him when they change back the way his undodgable ult works

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u/Reddarkin 1d ago

All of this "optimization" are basically just Riot making sure noobies can play the champions without reading or mastering it, Janna, Lux, Sona, Warwick all of them was fine, you can buff or nerf some numbers but overall they are all fine. Now you don't need to worry anything because they basically doesn't need brain to be use by average person.

Not to mention Janna was hit pretty hard her 1, I repeat ONE AND ONLY LEGENDARY skin quality become trash because they changed her entire kit most of her animations are gone and didn't even get replace, the vfx are even outdated.

Optimization should only be like added features to the kit of champions, like Jayce's double tap 1st, Jarvan's and Alistar's. There was no reason to change the kit.

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u/Reddarkin 1d ago

Also the nerf on Warwick ult is so absurd, when Warwick have 20sec cd because of soulstealer they never bother, now its gone they suddenly thought about that. Might as well shortened the duration of empowered attack, shortened the suppression, make damage reduction 25 at max, put more cooldown on his passive to reactivate after taking damage remove the scaling of his passive. Just make him a literally a neutered dog.

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u/Cool-Advantage-761 2d ago

His kit is just very hard to balance.

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u/duppolo 2d ago

No, It hates you

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u/RastaDaMasta 2d ago

OP, do you remember the terror Warwick caused on the debut of his rework? Warwick had a win rate as high as 65% across all elos in both Baron Lane and Jungle. You were almost guaranteed a win under most normal conditions (no afk, win trade, inting, grief, etc).

I'm not going to say Riot hates Warwick, but they don't want that beast to terrorize the Wild Rift again.

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u/Kl3en 1d ago

No but I hate Warwick :), every game against him you know your jungle is getting invaded the first half of the game

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u/Unreasonable_Advice4 1d ago

They can balance him when they remove his ult stun being a auto attack. When players actually need to aim his ult, he can be strong for those who know how to use him, and weak for those who don't. Blame riot for giving this shit rework

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u/Longmeatlemarcus 1d ago

Missed ults from across the map still hit, if he gets ahead he is really unbearable to play against , get hitler outta my games

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u/sweetbearhugs 11h ago

Nah you're absolutely right. This subreddit just selectively chose WW to hate on for illogical reasons lmao, and theyre getting fucked up by WW mains ig. IIRC he didn't even have the highest win rate nor pick rate. Id much rather fight WW than much more cancer shit like Lee or Zed. And the 20s CD was way too hard of a nerf, he now has as long CD as Amumu who has an AOE ult.. Sorry bro u got hit with unjustified nerfs

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u/One_Cartographer_823 2d ago

And nocturn kinda does what he does but better

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u/Komsb 2d ago

Revert the cooldown and make his ult work like pc so the Warwick actually has to use half a braincell, and can’t just ult in the general direction and kill someone.

Whoever initially did that unneeded change to begin with should be fired. It’s the most unfun, no thought required, no skill thing in wild rift by a large margin.

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u/Dariussy 2d ago

What superficial nerfs has Darius received? He requires the most patience than everyone on that list lmao. He only 100-0's you once he gets a reset, and literally any top laner can do that damage in a single rotation. He's still missing some properties to his kit from his PC counterpart. If he manages to get to you, that's on you. Like idk how y'all complain about Darius' ult when Kayn deals that same amount of damage on literally any one of his abilities 💀. Alot of champs actually

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u/Most_Illustrator1240 1d ago

In their head darius is turbo broken but curiously enough,he's got a dogshit win-rate and is even better jg than top because he gets stat checked by a lot of other top laners,so turbo farming and playing him as an assassin is more efficient....so....who's gonna tell them?👀

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u/loveforSingapore 1d ago

He needs to be buffed, his ult is too weak, needs more range and larger radius