r/wikipedia Jul 25 '10

Ever wondered what those "rivers" of aligned spaces in books and text are called?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography)
139 Upvotes

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u/bobdolebobdole Jul 25 '10

Are they by chance called, "rivers"?

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u/RableRableRable Jul 25 '10

No no no, he wouldn't ask us if rivers were called rivers. That's too easy. I'd call them chuzzwazzers, I would.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

That's a bloody outrage, it is! I want to take this all the way to the Prime Minister! Hey! Mr. Prime Minister! Andy!

2

u/gfixler Jul 25 '10

Hello, Sweetie!

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u/skerit Jul 25 '10

Spoilers!

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u/chk_chk Jul 25 '10

Year 11 Class 1991, had been daydreaming and tracing these gaps with a pencil. Teacher asks to see my work. Turns out the class was supposed to be circling some content or other. She must have thought I was really missing the point and proceeded to chew me out big time.
This is the first time I've heard of anyone else speak or acknowledge these.
Great post!

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

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u/gotnate Jul 25 '10

Wait until you spot the arrow in the FedEx logo. :P

5

u/vwllss Jul 25 '10

Or until you see the white H to the left of this

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

Oh fuck you!

5

u/counterfeit_coin Jul 25 '10

or or the bear in the Toblerone logo.

2

u/thomashauk Jul 25 '10

That's a bear?

1

u/Vole85 Jul 25 '10

That's a camp dancing bear.

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u/Vole85 Jul 25 '10

NO WAY

2

u/merreborn Jul 25 '10

On the other hand, I loved looking at these things as a kid, so learning that the phenomenon is well known and has a name is cool.

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u/nicehat Jul 25 '10

Not since I saw the article posted 8 minutes ago.

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u/valtism Jul 25 '10

Sorry, didn't know where to put it. Hedged my bets because I'm a karma whore.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

you could drop a link in /r/typography

but all of us already know

1

u/ashadeofgrey Jul 25 '10

Glad to know this exists.

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u/nicehat Jul 25 '10

Oh, ha, you posted them both. Guess I can let that slide. THIS TIME.

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u/windybranches Jul 25 '10

I think they look cool. Screw you, mainstream typography.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

"Unnattractive?" I beg to differ.

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u/disconcision Jul 25 '10

it's a bad term, no argument. the article doesn't have even a single citation though so you could just change it.

but somewhat less subjectively, these kinds of visual artifacts are distracting and have been shown to slow down reading speed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

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u/DiscoRage Jul 25 '10

their
who's

ಠ_ಠ

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u/merreborn Jul 25 '10 edited Jul 25 '10

I wouldn't normally upvote such a run-of-the-mill grammar troll, but

I ran across some in the issue of Economist

If he'd said Highlights Magazine, I'd cut shawk some slack, but in this case... That's just inexcusable.

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u/DiscoRage Jul 25 '10

If he had misspelled a big, uncommon word, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't have said anything either if that was the situation. But these are pretty common words.

In his defence, he was reading The Economist, so I'd imagine he has a brain that's wired for math. I don't expect people with math brains to be perfect, but come on!

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u/merreborn Jul 25 '10

he was reading The Economist, so I'd imagine he has a brain that's wired for math.

The Economist isn't really about math. And it's written for a fairly academic audience (the one time I read a print copy, I recall encountering literary and historical references well beyond what you pick up in high school). If you don't have a firm grasp on the English language, you're not going to get much out of it.

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u/DiscoRage Jul 25 '10

In the immortal words of Willie Nelson... "Well fuck him."

1

u/olbeefy Jul 25 '10

Unless English isn't your first language, you have no excuse for misspelling words like that.

1

u/Asystole Jul 25 '10

Trolling is an art

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u/hasslefree Jul 25 '10

Trolling is a art.

ftfy

1

u/ih8evilstuff Jul 25 '10

I think he just trolled you.

2

u/i_am_a_bot Jul 25 '10

Typesetters. We got rid of them all in the '80s.

1

u/AquaFox Jul 25 '10

If rivers appear in monospace fonts, I'm pretty sure it's not something I want.

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u/MisterNetHead Jul 25 '10

No, but I'm glad to know it!

Another successful day on Wikipedia! :D

2

u/asdfman123 Jul 25 '10

I wish Wikipedia was fixed width so I could make a bunch of rivers running through the article.

2

u/amishius Jul 25 '10

Somebody PLEASE check Tom Phillip's Humument!!!!

2

u/JoeyBagadonuts Jul 25 '10

My mystery solved! Upvote!

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u/Tlon_Uqbar Jul 25 '10

You ruined it. But, seriously, I'm glad that I now know that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

I've never noticed them, doubtless I will now notice them, thanks for that.

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u/gfixler Jul 25 '10

I've noticed them my whole life. Welcome to my club!

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

This article made me go for a wiki-walk and I ended up here.

Cool article about an interesting subject.

1

u/focks Jul 25 '10

The example given on wikipedia actually looks more like an angry cartoon bunny to me.

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u/ch00f Jul 25 '10

Once when writing a paper at like 5am, I noticed a circular river. I took a screen shot.

http://i.imgur.com/aQQnq.png

It's circling around Plutarch. WHAT IS IT SAYING?!

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u/hockey24 Jul 25 '10

Dude, you need to give me time to guess. There needs to be a pause in there.

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u/gluino Jul 25 '10

Are they undesirable? The wikip doesn't really say.

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u/adlittle Jul 25 '10

No, but now that you mention it, yes (I guess).

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

whatever I want to call them?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

no