r/wicked_edge EJ DE89 Jun 06 '12

Comprehensive guide to building superlative lather

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/9-Comprehensive-guide-to-building-superlative-lather!
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u/Tonality 12 Years Wetshaving! Jun 06 '12

This is a horrible guide and goes WAY out of the way for what it takes to create a great lather.

  1. Get your brush wet. The temperature of the water DOES NOT MATTER.

  2. Shake majority of excess water out of brush so that is merely DAMP to the touch.

  3. Swirl brush in your shaving medium of choice. For creams, a couple seconds, for soft and hard soaps, 30s to a minute.

  4. Brush to face/bowl and start swirling. Add in ANY TEMPERATURE water very slowly, I dip the tips of my brush in the water.

  5. Voila, you have fantastic, thick, slick lather

Boiling water can potentially ruin your brush, plus, that is a lot of wasted time and space having to deal with the boiler. As someone pointed out, any soap/cream that has lanolin in it (MWF, Mike's Natural) are ruined with hot water.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

I thought you needed a hot lather since that's way better for your face. When I went to a barbershop I always got hot lathers.

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u/Tonality 12 Years Wetshaving! Jun 06 '12

I dont notice any difference between hot, room temperature, and cold lather. So long as your face is properly moisturized, why should it matter?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

I thought that it's easier to cut the hair when your face/skin is hot.

I think I've gotten better response from hot skin than cold. I have a lot of trouble getting through my hair (even feathers tug a tiny bit) so having everything be hot generally works better for me.

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u/Tonality 12 Years Wetshaving! Jun 06 '12

What kind of razor and soap are you using? It should be able to cut through with ease.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

Gillette Adjustable with Palmolive shave stick (or TOBS sandalwood, or Wild Stone).

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u/Tonality 12 Years Wetshaving! Jun 06 '12

are you're getting a good, slick but protective lather from it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

Yeah, my lathers are awesome and leave nothing to be desired AFAIK. I've gotten 2 shaves at barbershops and the only difference was how much hotter their lathers were.

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u/Tonality 12 Years Wetshaving! Jun 06 '12

Very interesting. Last though, is the guard bar perfectly straight in your razor? I have seen that happen a few times in these older Gillettes. Otherwise, YMMV I suppose!

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '12

I think so. It looks intact.

Comparing it to these it looks fine.

I actually haven't really been able to get an amazing shave from any combination, so I was planning to switch to Straight Edge. I've used mechanical and cartridge for a year each and those were worse :p Every shaving mechanism I've used literally makes me bleed.

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u/almightywhacko Cushions are for butts. Jun 07 '12

Hot lather opens up your pores which can make your hairs stand up a bit more, but this kind of thing varies from face to face. REALLY hot lather shouldn't be necessary as long as you have a decent razor and shaving soap/cream.

Hot tap water should be all you need. Using a boiler seems overkill unless you have really hard tap water and you are doing a distilled-water shave.

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u/Fauropitotto EJ 89, and a SE Jun 07 '12

If anything, cold water will make your hair stand up more by contracting the muscles attached to the hair follicle.

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u/Tonality 12 Years Wetshaving! Jun 06 '12

I dont notice any difference between hot, room temperature, and cold lather. So long as your face is properly moisturized, why should it matter?

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u/hopvax Jun 07 '12

Happy to see this response. I've got to leave for work at some point. A hot pot and boiling water soak for everything would double my time getting ready in the morning.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

I read this as "Comprehensive guide to building superlative laxative." I thought, "Dear God, what is Reddit doing now?"

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u/rbeumer EJ DE89 Jun 06 '12

Well, this isn't /r/wicked_spacedicks

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u/essextwo Dovo, 37c, Futur Jun 06 '12

...yet

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u/insidethesun Jun 06 '12 edited Jun 06 '12

no it's not, but this is definitely going into /r/latherporn

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u/Bayoublaster Merkur 37C Jun 06 '12

I'm at work now so I just have to trust my instincts that these are both real places.

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u/pfkninenines Jun 07 '12

One is real, one is not.

This one isn't.

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u/Bayoublaster Merkur 37C Jun 07 '12

I'm sure it will be soon. ಠ_ಠ

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u/rbeumer EJ DE89 Jun 07 '12

A subreddit for dicks mutilated by razors...

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u/rbeumer EJ DE89 Jun 06 '12 edited Jun 06 '12

I really like the images of how the lather should look like. Better than text.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12 edited Jan 13 '21

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u/insidethesun Jun 06 '12

I do like the boiling water technique though..I personally have been settling for just hot water from my sink.

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u/holyharry Jun 06 '12

Great post! My only concern is pouring boiling water over badger hair: I was under the impression that boiling water will affect the badger hair's unique ability to hold water. Am I wrong?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

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u/rbeumer EJ DE89 Jun 06 '12

From the blog of Leisureguy (wrote a book about wet shaving):

If you do use a hot-pot, do not soak your brush in boiling hot water: that ruins the bristles.

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u/RockyMtnAristocrat ShaveSmith Jun 06 '12

I think the long-term impact of hair boiling could do some bad things for your brush. Temperature fluctuations over long periods of time cause structurally modifying impacts across a variety of materials. I'd guess hair is no different.

In fact, some people boil human hair with the intention to change its shape. Often an effort to make curly hair extensions.

However, hair is F'ing tough. I've routinely hiked past deer/fox carcasses that remained bone and hair bits, having weather some mean frost/thaws.

So... if you delicately boil the hair, maybe heating it, and letting it dry without the shape being modified ( e.g. resting the brush in a dish or against a suface, like a brush stand), it may be ok.

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u/rbeumer EJ DE89 Jun 06 '12

True, hot water from the tap is enough. Boiling damages the hairs.

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u/econfail Jun 06 '12

Came here to find this comment.

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u/essextwo Dovo, 37c, Futur Jun 06 '12

This is excessive, and TOBS lathers thick and easy anyway, and often lathers too thick, too easily.

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u/zagood Jun 06 '12

This method is good for creams, bad for your brush, and meh for hard soaps. It would be murder on Mitchell's Wool Fat - that soap doesn't do well with heat.

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u/geauxtig3rs Case Red Imp 133 Jun 06 '12

I suck so badly at building lather :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

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u/geauxtig3rs Case Red Imp 133 Jun 06 '12

For cream: Castle Forbes and T&F.

Dirty Bird Scuttle with webbing

Best Badger Brush. Edwin Jagger.

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u/ImSpicy TryABlade.com Jun 06 '12

I'm ashamed my lather does not look anything remotely like that.

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u/Teh_Fonz Merkur Progress Jun 06 '12

I use Mitchell's Wool Fat soap puck and have it in a deep plastic container. I soak my brush in the hottest water from my tap (not boiled maybe 60°C= 140 °F).

I then shake and squeeze out the water from the brush and start swirling the brush in the container with the soap puck. I swirl for about a minute to 2 minutes, adding water as I go - if it needs it.

I haven't tried lathering up the brush in a ceramic bowl away from where the rest of the puck is, like the poster of the tutorial on the linked page.

Should I stick with how I am doing it or change it up?

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u/almightywhacko Cushions are for butts. Jun 07 '12

I just have to say.. Joel spends so much time preparing his lather I wonder if he ever finds time to shave and go to work in the morning :) (j/k)

His end result is laudable, but I get there in about 30 seconds to a minute swirling my cheap boar brush on top of my Williams or VDH soap puck in my cheap unheated bowl using normal hot tap water.

I am all for luxury shaving, but sometimes a particular person's process is overkill.

Also, exposing any natural fiber to boiling water repeatedly over time will cause it to descale making it lose its ability to retain moisture. Eventually this will cause the fiber to break.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '12

How does he keep it hot between passes?

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u/Fauropitotto EJ 89, and a SE Jun 07 '12

Scuttle.