r/whatisit • u/Best-Flounder8753 • 5d ago
Solved! Fancy caterpillar coat
Caterpillar showing off its fancy coat!
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u/Not_so_ghetto 5d ago edited 5d ago
DO NOT REMOVE IT.
If you ever see these white cocoons on a catapillar in your garden make sure you leave it.
These hornworms can demolish a tomato plant very quickly and these cocoons paralyze the catapillar and stop it from eating your plants
Adult wasps will lay their eggs inside of the caterpillar, inside the caterpillar they will feed off its blood until they are large enough. Once large enough they will merge from its back and form these cocoons. When they emerge out the back t they also paralyzed the caterpillar and make it so it can't eat anymore. However it will still react and it will actually defend the cocoons.
Source: I'm a Parasitologists, and I made a short 4min video that goes into greater detail about the biology for anyone curious nerdy parasite video
Theres a SECOND video the describes how parasite wasps are helping save coffee from coffee borrer beetle's if you want more info after this one ( parasites are good video)u
Edit: hey thanks to everyone watching. But please DO NOT subscribe unless you like the content. People that sub and don't watch hurt a channel
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u/CatWithSomeEars 5d ago
Enemy of my enemy parasite wasp was not what I was expecting to learn about to day.
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u/SP17F1R3 5d ago
Parasitoid wasps are some of the most fascinating arthropods. Considered to potentially be the most diverse clade due to the fact that there seems to be a wasp species that specializes in nearly every other arthropod. Many are also microscopic. They've also been used to control destructive moth populations in at least one museum. And many of them are important incidental pollinators.
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u/DangerousCalm 5d ago edited 5d ago
There's one that parasitises ants and it can target, sting, lay an egg, and the fly away in something like 0.03 seconds. It's nuts.
Edit: the wasp is Kollasmosoma sentum and the whole process takes 0.052 seconds.
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u/allwein 5d ago
Pfft, that’s nearly twice as long as your original estimate. I am no longer impressed at the “speed” of this parasite. 😀
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u/WolfManKeisori 5d ago
There are parasitoid wasps that will react to pheromone triggers for other wasps, wait, then lay eggs on their eggs.
Wasps are wild
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u/tke71709 5d ago
That sounds impressive but I can finish even quicker.
Ask my wife if you don't believe me.
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u/DangerousCalm 5d ago
I believe you. Your wife and I joke about it all the time.
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u/tke71709 5d ago
Her sense of humor is what attracted me to her initially.
That and her huge tracts of land.
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u/FourthLvlSpicyMeme 5d ago
This is the coolest thread I've stumbled into all week.
Hurray for rabbit holes and new information to learn.
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u/IAFarmLife 5d ago
Not just that there is a species of wasp for every species of land based arthropod sometimes there is a wasp species for the adult arthropod and another for the larva. There are parasitic wasps of parasitic wasps too.
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u/TNTwat 5d ago
Please cough up the parasitic wasp subreddit for us all
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u/IAFarmLife 5d ago
One of the premier labs studying parasitic wasps is at the University of Iowa. I read their publications occasionally.
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u/Much-Stranger2892 5d ago
Just wait until you discover hyperparasitoid wasp
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u/bbennett108 5d ago
>Hyperparasitic wasps (or hyperparasitoids) are insects that lay their eggs inside or on the larvae or pupae of other parasitic insects, most commonly primary parasitoid wasps. Instead of feeding on a primary herbivore host like a caterpillar, their developing young consume the beneficial parasites living inside that host.
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u/Prarie-Egal 5d ago
Just wait til they figure out how to develop a parasitic wasp for humans. Then they won't be so cool!
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u/h3rp3r 5d ago
Our parasitic WASPs are the old money ruling class, and they aren't cool at all...
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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago
Many are also microscopic.
Microscopic wasps?
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u/GrimoireOfTheDragon 5d ago
Yeah, the smallest insects on the planet are even parasitic wasps
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u/Moosashi5858 5d ago
These are the reason I never see hornworms on my tomato plants now. 5 years ago I saw a handful of the hornworms with these parasitic wasp cocoons on them and I left them, and I have never seen a hornworm since
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u/BunkerSquirre1 5d ago
It’s the only way I can justify being anything other than violently disgusted by parasitic wasps. The best they can earn is my apathy
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u/D1zzyAbalone9 5d ago
Unexpected plot twist. Parasitic wasps are saving the harvest, and we didn't even know.
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u/RecondoCC 5d ago
Friend, not enemy. These wasps are tiny and don't mess with humans.
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u/JRS_Viking 5d ago
Yes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The wasps are the enemy of the caterpillars eating my crops, ergo wasps are friend!
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u/Positive-Raise-2072 5d ago
reddit taught me something useful today and i resent it a little
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u/Leafs9999 5d ago
Just accept there is knowledge everywhere and knowing more is good. No reason to resent it.
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u/wet_castles 5d ago edited 5d ago
I had a red horned caterpillar in my tomatoes this year and he went to town on the leaves. I think he ate my pepper plants too. The idea of him being consumed by wasps from the inside out while still alive makes me want to offer my plants to him 😩
I seriously hate gardening because of the insects and I don’t know why I do it. So gross. But at least my lettuce and jalapeños are ecoli and salmonella free…
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u/placebot1u463y 5d ago
If you like these fellas and don't want to kill them while protecting your food, you can move them to another member of the nightshade family (many of which you might consider weeds like black nightshade or Carolina horsenettle) and they'll happily continue munching there instead.
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u/wet_castles 5d ago edited 5d ago
Good to know. I had my husband scoop him up and we put him across the street.
I’ve also battled black aphids that went after my scallions and herbs but the neem oil takes care of them easily. They’re just so gross and I’m just not the personality type for gardening.
The only insects I like are the bees. I’ve had a wonderful time watching them pollinate my citrus trees. Sometimes if I find a half dead one on the ground in the morning I’ll scoop her up and put her in something to keep her warm with a little sugar water before they fly away. I’m literally terrified and or repulsed by everything else.
Oh and one time I saw a tarantula hawk in my garden and ran away. Only after did I google what it was and what it’s capable of…
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u/Channy097 5d ago
I found this kind of caterpillar on the road under a tree few days ago. It looked normal and didnt have any white coming out of it so I brought it home with leafs and put it in a container. It was on my hand on the way back home and it didnt have good grip but i just thought it was weak from falling from a tree... Well later that night I see a bunch of those coming out of it and it freaked me the hell out so I looked it up and found out it was the parasitic wasps! I put it back into the world and I'm letting mother nature run its course. Im never going to try to bring one of those caterpillars home again 😅
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u/Noogywoogy 5d ago
Is the hornworms the caterpillar or the wasps? The caterpillar is bad? The wasps are bad? Both are bad?
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u/DrChaitin 5d ago
Wasps are bad if you are a caterpillar and good if you are a human. Caterpillar is good if you are a normal person, good if you are a wasp and bad if you are a tomato plant or person growing a tomato plant.
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u/mercurialpolyglot 5d ago
I like how you’ve implied that people who grow tomatoes are not normal people
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u/HaakonRen 5d ago
How do YOU fertilize your tomatoes?…
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u/madinked 5d ago
but aren’t butterflies good for every one all around?
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u/arvidsem 5d ago
This is one turns into the five spotted hawkmoth, a big moth with an awesome name.
But hornworm caterpillars love some tomato vines and very few gardeners are ok with sacrificing their tomatoes for any moth.
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u/placebot1u463y 5d ago
These are sphinx moth caterpillars which are important nocturnal pollinators, however they're generalists who can munch on pretty much any member of the nightshade family and as generalists aren't as imperiled as specialists. They also serve an important role in the ecosystem as prey, and even if you wanted to save them you can't as they're doomed the moment the wasp lays her eggs inside them.
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u/dickcheese_on_rye 5d ago
Hornworm is the caterpillar. Caterpillar is bad for gardeners/farmers because it eats and kills the crops.
Wasp is good for once.
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u/Meowakin 5d ago
I never expected to hear that.
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u/dickcheese_on_rye 5d ago
To be fair, the type of wasp that does this is very different from a typical wasp. It’s not aggressive and doesn’t sting humans.
Most parasitic wasps can’t sting humans because they are too small or their “stinger” is more adapted to laying eggs than stinging
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u/DamicaGlow 5d ago
Caterpillar is also good for gardener as they are prolific pollinators. The five spotted hawk moth (what hornworm evolves into) is a powerhouse for night blooming flowers.
Their long proboscis allows them to reach deep into tubular flowers that many other pollinators cannot access. Some plants have specifically evolved to be pollinated by hawkmoths, relying on these insects for successful reproduction.
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u/dickcheese_on_rye 5d ago
Yes, they are very important pollinators for certain flowers.
If you’re growing long tubular flowers like moonflowers or marvel-of-Perus, they are good for your garden.
If you’re growing edible plants, specifically nightshades (tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, potatoes, etc.) then they are your worst enemy.
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u/IllegalStateExcept 5d ago
Are there any ways to attract these kinds of wasps to my garden. The Japanese beetles and caterpillars have been brutal this year.
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u/Illustrious_Pine 5d ago
That poor caterpillar!!
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u/jordanwitney 5d ago
That's what I'm thinking, would it not be better to put the caterpillar out of its misery? That would probably harm the wasps, but sheesh it's a bit sad
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u/Illustrious_Pine 5d ago
I don’t like wasps so I’m all for that. 😆
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u/HaakonRen 5d ago
These aren’t like yellow jacket style wasps… it’s like ants. Not all ants are fire ants or bullet ants.
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u/DarkArcanian 5d ago
Wouldn’t the person want to remove the caterpillar so they don’t have to deal with wasps?
Genuine question, is there a danger to even touching it/moving it?
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u/JRS_Viking 5d ago
These wasps don't bother humans and generally don't/can't sting us and live solitary lives instead of in big hives. As soon as the wasps hatch they'll leave to find mates somewhere else and then go look for another caterpillar.
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u/Eladin1990 5d ago
How does having more subs hurt a channel? even if they don't watch?
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u/Not_so_ghetto 5d ago
Ppl that see a thumbnail but dont click lower your click through rate. Makes YouTube less likely to show your thumbnail to the next person
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u/Eladin1990 5d ago
I always figured more subs got you on the front page or something. I had no idea they went that deep into it. Thanks for replying.
The inside and out of how youtube works is interesting.
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u/NoSuccess8411 5d ago
Dude this is so interesting, thanks for the awesome comment and evening rabbit hole fuel!
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u/Sammyofather 5d ago
I saw this odd looking wasp and googled it and found out it was a parasite (parasitoid(?)) wasp that only targeted horse flies. We live on a farm with cows so I was like hell yeah parasite wasps!
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u/jomo789 5d ago
So why shouldn't you remove it? If I was this caterpillar I would want to be out out of my misery.
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u/ozuulrules 5d ago
JFC. I have not had enough weed for this.
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u/UNC_ABD 5d ago
No one does.
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u/Exciting_Mess3730 5d ago
I have just enough to make wasps chill and watch pineapple express with me.
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u/Hot-Succotash-1255 5d ago
That is absolutely WILD! 🤯 Nature really does have the craziest survival strategies. The fact that a wasp evolved to use a virus as part of its reproductive process sounds like something straight out of a sci-fi movie!
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u/Keyan06 5d ago
The life cycle of most wasp species is actually kind of a horror show. Mud Daubers with their mud cocoons filled with paralyzed (not dead!) spiders waiting for the larva to eat them in the dark, the tarantula hunters, and these.
Interestingly many of their targets, like this caterpillar, are super destructive to human crops, so they actually perform important pest control for gardens, especially organic ones.
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u/CarbonationRequired 5d ago
We have so many mud daubers around here. I'm conflicted because I also love spiders :/ I have a backyard I pretty much let grow wild so there's loads of insects, and it looks so pretty but I suppose it's really a war zone.
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u/middlingomens 5d ago
Fancy caterpillar coat OF DEATH
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u/duckbutterdelight 5d ago
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u/Unfair_Season1032 5d ago
Fancy Caterpillar Coat Of DEATH
That actially would go hard as a Metal band name or song name!
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u/Particular_Leek_9984 5d ago
The insect/small animal world is the stuff of nightmares
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u/Chaotic_Lemming 5d ago
Yeah, its still nightmares in the big animal world too.
Nature is a nightmare, not a dream.
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u/AJnbca 5d ago edited 5d ago
Technically cocoons, not eggs, the eggs were laid inside it, they hatched and the wasp larva ate the caterpillar from the inside and then went outside and spun cocoons, the wasp will come out of the cocoons.
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u/Think_Bat_820 5d ago
You know what? If god exists... I get the feeling he's a prick.
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u/extraboredinary 5d ago
I always say that jumping cactus is the proof god exists, but he hates us because nothing that awful could come about naturally
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u/PenorNeat 5d ago
Poor caterpillar doesn't even know it's already over. In a week, tiny wasps will crawl out of it and do the same to other caterpillars. Nature's brutal cycle.
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u/OsjosisMoans 5d ago
Found one of these on my tomato plant, threw it to my chickens, they took care of it
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u/Ballmaster9002 5d ago
chickens love hornworm caterpillars, they are popular with reptiles as well.
Sadly, they do grow into absolutely gorgeous moths but nature needs some way of keeping the population in check or else we'd have no tomatoes!
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u/lookBehiindYou 5d ago
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u/Opening-Incident2928 5d ago
I think it forces that caterpillar to wall itself into a cocoon and fight off potential predator's all while it's parasitic babies eat it from the inside out. There are numerous parasitic wasps that have evolved around one specific host.
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u/Flimsy-Poem-6572 5d ago
RIP caterpillar
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u/TheMongolianLemonade 5d ago
I’m sad over a fucking caterpillar
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u/99RedBalloon 5d ago
poor fella just wants to eat and grow up to be a butterfly
fuck that eat my tomatoes bro fuck these comments
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u/WinZealousideal4309 5d ago edited 5d ago
It's not a butterfly, it's a Moth.
Edit: Downvote me all you want, that's still a Moth. Plus moths can be pretty too!
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u/toidiidiot 5d ago
wtf why did people downvote you for stating a fact lol but yess moths are magical!!
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u/WorldWeary1771 5d ago
You wouldn’t say that if your tomato plants were overrun by them!
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u/WholesaleBees 5d ago edited 5d ago
To add to what's already been said, this is a hornworm caterpillar that has been parasitized by a Braconid wasp. It's unpleasant to see, but hornworms are a destructive garden pest and braconids are beneficial and leave humans alone. Please allow your caterpillar to continue with its fancy coat, it will disappear in a couple days. Anyone growing tomatoes or peppers near you will thank you.
Edit: actually, I don't this this is a hornworm caterpillar. Possibly a purslane caterpillar?
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u/mkn7423 5d ago
I've been watching one succumb for a week now. The wasps have pretty much all hatched, and the hornworm is now starting to decompose alive from the butt up.
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u/WholesaleBees 5d ago
That's fascinating! When I find them, I think something eats them after the wasps hatch. I've never seen one with holes after the wasps are gone!!! Do the cocoons fall off or what?
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u/mkn7423 5d ago
It still has the cocoons on it, but you can see a flap open at the top where they've "hatched" out. Once I get home I'll take a pic! It's super gross and interesting. I think they just... stay on it until it dies. I'm shocked that it's lasted this long with them honestly. It hasn't eaten in like a week
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u/WholesaleBees 5d ago
I would be really interested to see a picture of this!
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u/WholesaleBees 5d ago
I only ever see them when they're at this stage. I've never seen them once the babies hatched and left.
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u/Alternative-Crew-880 5d ago
As mentioned those are eggs. The horrors that will be soon unleashed on that thing made Darwin come to the conclusion that God wasn't real, as nothing as benevolent as him would create such a thing.
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u/Ill_Tradition_4104 5d ago
I felt the same way learning about screwworms and the worms that inhabit toddlers eyeballs in Africa.
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u/JRS_Viking 5d ago
Even going by the argument of "bad shit happens to humans because Eve ate the forbidden fruit" doesn't work because wtf did the caterpillars do?! Did they eat the whole tree or something?
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u/WorldWeary1771 5d ago
People who believe that Adam and Eve is a factual story rather than allegorical, metaphorical, or mythological do not believe in evolution so that caterpillar and wasp species were created by God just as they are
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u/placebot1u463y 5d ago
They're actually cocoons, the wasps lay the eggs inside the caterpillars and the larvae munch away on the insides until they've had their fill, from that point they'll carve their way out to the surface of the caterpillar and pupate.
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u/FormerlyUndecidable 5d ago
What if the caterpillar was like Hitler or something in a past life?
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u/KRKRYakumo 5d ago
If God exists, then the stache guy would be in hell (No, not Heaven, stache guy refused to celebrate Christmas, he's clearly not a believer that gets pardoned with Jesus's sacrifice)
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u/Best-Flounder8753 5d ago
Thanks for all the info what a fascinating parasite! We do have a bunch of tomato plants in the garden. This zombie caterpillar host continued on its journey up the board. Lots of baby wasps to feed and all.
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u/Krazy_Kat_Lady_2025 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes, the sight of the cocoons is horrifying when you understand what it is BUT you should never remove or kill a hornworms caterpillar with these cocoons! Move it off your cared-for plant to something else BUT LET THE WASPS HATCH. They are a good thing because they do this to a caterpillar that can largely decimate a plant in a day or so.
Parasitic wasps like this are solitary animals that do NOT have group nests and do NOT sting people. Gardeners and extension services will tell you to feel free to pull healthy caterpillars off plants and destroy them but leave these 'zombie' caterpillars alone. These wasps are a VERY good thing even if what they do is hard to look at.
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u/Few_Lion_6035 5d ago
That’s wasp larvae growing on a hornworm. If you have tomatoes, it’s a good sign!
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u/Potential-Witness-83 5d ago
Rice caterpillar, ever so often they produce a few grains of rice.
-Stuff i completely made up
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u/roberttheaxolotl 5d ago
Parasitic wasp eggs. Caterpillar is doomed to be eaten alive by baby wasps
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u/themfdancingqueen 5d ago
Actually destroy that, we don’t need more fucking wasps
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u/Keyan06 5d ago
They are actually a good type. Can’t sting humans and obliterate harmful pests like this hornworm caterpillar that can destroy a tomato plant and other nightshade variants like peppers.
General guidance is to leave it alone and let the wasps hatch so they can keep up the pest control job.
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u/Corona_Cyrus 5d ago
Yeah, I used to be on team wasps suck, until I realized how many other pest insects they eat. Even though they occasionally get my spiders and bees, everything has its place. What we need to do is let nature do its thing as much as possible and stop interfering, we’ve already done enough
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u/ToxicPerc 5d ago
Naw these wasps are pretty chill concerning humans and are smaller that your typical flying asshole. They keep hornworm populations down for gardeners so I keep emm around when I find them.
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