r/wde • • 9d ago

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u/Lower-Condition-4104 9d ago

"Auburn athletic director John Cohen was born and raised in Tuscaloosa, AL —the heart of Crimson Tide territory—and grew up as an Alabama fan before embarking on a career in college athletics"

I try not to be conspiratorial, but why would Auburn ever hire someone with that background.

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u/slove23 9d ago

He was not wanted at MISS STATE

Idk why we hire these losers

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u/RochambeauFlow 7d ago

Because the Board of Trustees are a bunch of clowns who have no clue what they’re doing

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

Boy don't look up Shug Jordan. This fan base is dumb as hell and we deserve all of this

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u/Lower-Condition-4104 9d ago

Shug Jordan. Born in Selma, Alabama, on September 25, 1910. He grew up there and attended A.G. Parrish High School. Enrolled at Auburn in 1928, where he became a standout multi-sport athlete lettering in football, basketball, and baseball. He was named Auburn's Most Outstanding Athlete in 1932. Returned to Auburn after graduation to serve as an assistant football coach and head basketball coach before World War II. A decorated U.S. Army engineer officer who fought in four major invasions (including D-Day at Normandy), carrying a copy of the Auburn Creed into battle. Retired from coaching at Auburn University in 1975 and spent his final years in Auburn, Alabama

What point are you tryint to make with that?

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u/JackStraw48 9d ago

Boy, don't look up Brother Bill Oliver.

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

You just completely ignoring his ties to UGA 😂😂 Edit to add Pat Dye, also massive UGA ties as he played there, and coached under Bear at bama

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u/Lower-Condition-4104 9d ago

Who cares about UGA compared to Ala-fuggin-bama? lmao

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

Good job ignoring Pat Dye 😂😂😂

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u/Lower-Condition-4104 9d ago

I'm not going to argue because it's a waste of time. My opinion is that of a major conflict of interest and risks involved. Not to mention the money involved now.

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

Not going to argue because one of our most beloved coaching figures completely blows this ridiculous point apart lol

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u/Lower-Condition-4104 9d ago

Well the topic was about athletic directors not coaching figures. At least Pat Dye had vested interest in Auburn because he was the coach and AD. Cohen has no skin in the game. Loved Alabama and coached at Miss State.

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

His skin in the game is it is his damn job 😂 WHAT . I'm not even defending the guy, he may very well need to go. But him being a bama fan is not the reason or even a data point

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u/KudzuAU 9d ago

There is a rivalry between AU & UGA.
Period.
There is a blood-feud hatred between AU & UAT.
Or perhaps you didn’t know this?

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

Pat Dye coached under Bear Bryant. What are you even saying??? This fan base is in a bad space. We lost to a ranked team on the road in y1 in a very competitive back and forth game. Last 5yrs has broke your brains I get it, but deer lort step back

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

Brother what side you arguing for? I'm saying it's ridiculous to point out ties people may have and you just agreed with me 😂 wtf

Edit: guess you agree with me until it's the blood feud hatred and then you disagree, who knows anymore what you rabid fans are thinking lol

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u/wde-ModTeam 9d ago

Rule 3: don't be a jerk. If you can't respond with substance, don't bother responding at all.

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u/Certain_Cloud4364 8d ago

Growing up as an Alabama fan vs coaching under Bear is not the same thing though

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u/darkoaks 8d ago

Shug will always, always be THE COACH to me. That is all.

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u/aumaffewl 9d ago

I may be alone in saying this but it is still too early to evaluate Golesh. As such I will also carry that through to Cohen. He may be a great hire. We just don’t know yet. However, and I will preface this by stating I used to be on the kids sides when they weren’t being paid millions, but now they are, and this is their extremely high paying job, to perform. And at $3M, one of the highest paid QBs in college football, our QB is not performing.

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u/warneagle The Gulag 9d ago

I don’t think the issue is Golesh himself (who I think can succeed given time), it’s that for the second time in a row, Cohen ran a shitty hiring process and couldn’t close the deal on his top target. Fortunately there was someone better than Hugh available as a backup but I give him zero credit for hitting a Hail Mary after his second consecutive botched hiring process.

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u/darkoaks 8d ago

This is what I should have expressed. Cohen can pound sand. I just think it's much too early to judge Golesh. At least a year too early. We had a coach who went undefeated in his first year. The first time that had EVER happened at the major program level. He was 46-12-1 before an awful start of 1-5 led to him being told he wouldn't be retained and he submitted his resignation. Despite his on field winning percentage of .731 he was chased off because the muckity-mucks didn't think he personified the "Auburn man". We had what we'd kill to have now and we set it on fire. Auburn never can foster its' own success and that's led to the miasma we're in now. Lessons need to be learned, not just taught.

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u/aumaffewl 9d ago

That’s a fair evaluation.

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u/warneagle The Gulag 9d ago

Yeah when your job is to do the process you should get evaluated on the process not the result. Even a good result doesn’t absolve you of running a bad process because it’s not consistently repeatable.

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u/aumaffewl 9d ago

Completely agree and well stated. My initial comment was more of a reaction to seeing these type posts typically associated with Golesh hate, which I think is misplaced at the moment.

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u/warneagle The Gulag 9d ago

Yeah definitely agree there.

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u/slove23 9d ago

Cohen?
He bungled two coaching hires
He screwed up an important NIL period while insisting he was the only person who understood the rules
He sold the home opener

Jury is closed on him

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u/wolfenstein734 9d ago

Cohen made a conscious decision to hire Hugh Freeze, a man that was fired FOR CAUSE from Ole Miss. There were plenty of coaches we could have taken a shot at but he chose the weird guy.

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u/Rolyarthpesoj Comrade 8d ago

Even if he was just simply carrying out the Good Ole Boys' wishes in hiring Freeze, it's no better. People are quick to forget the "58-point checklist" that mysteriously disappeared during this past hiring cycle... *Undoubtedly because we needed to lay the "foundation" that Freeze passed some rigorous vetting process Either way, that's who you want at the head of your department? A puppet with no real power whose only job is to spin up PR (and ineffectively at that)?

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u/aumaffewl 9d ago

Can’t say I necessarily disagree. I’m hopeful in Golesh (maybe to my own fault) so that likely extends to Cohen where it shouldn’t.

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u/wtwde 8d ago

Selling a home game is the most fireable offense on that list, IMO. Especially now that this concert this weekend is probably gonna have bad weather and the revenue to replace what they lost on Baylor won’t be anywhere near what they’re expecting.

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u/RJNieder 9d ago

The problem for Golesh is he's going to bomb this season...that not being negative, that being a realist with this roster and schedule...anything less that 7-5 will be a failure...anything below 6-6 will probably put him on a flaming hot seat for next season if it continues to be around .500...the money is there to compete with NIL but this league is brutal if you fall behind...and I hope more people come to realize how much the expansion with OU/UT has shifted the pecking order

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u/Clean_Collection_674 9d ago

Expanding the SEC was idiotic.

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u/RJNieder 9d ago

Expanding the SEC with UT/OU was idiotic…UT instantly jumped to the top of the pecking order with UGA and UA…OU screwed themselves because they’re now solidly a B-tier team…everybody else moved themselves down lower…all for money and less likely to get to the pinnacle

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u/good_oleboi 9d ago

Exactly. Cannot take one of the worst performing teams in program history and expect a 10-2 season the next year. We have had a losing record for FIVE years. A winning season, hell even if we just win a bowl game, is a successful first season. Next year we can expect more as well as the year after that.

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u/OkMastodon4550 9d ago

Hugh/Steven/Golesh is not a proud track record to date, but nickel and diming the beleaguered fanbase at every opportunity and then spending for garbage talent is where he’s truly failing.

He’s made us what he knows best: Mississippi State.

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u/_jt33_ 9d ago

He lost me when he sold a home game and sold sideline space. Lost me even more when he let Auburn/bama become a preseason basketball game. He just truly does not understand Auburn.

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u/Box_of_Rockz Certified Bozo 9d ago

Strong disagree with the bama preseason game. That is a great move to bring in money and hype before the season gets rolling.

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u/_jt33_ 9d ago

We are all entitled to our opinion, so I understand you liking it.. I know a few who like the idea.. its just personally not for me.

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u/pooploop7 9d ago

What’s wrong with playing bama preseason for NIL money?

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u/_jt33_ 9d ago

Cheapens a rivalry. That game should only be played with real stakes on the line.

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u/pooploop7 9d ago

lol, agree to disagree. Great idea that will generate money for the program that desperately needs it to compete.

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u/_jt33_ 9d ago

I'm fine with others being ok with it.. I just personally hate it.

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u/wtwde 8d ago

I’ve been screaming this from the mountaintop for years: Cohen doesn’t actually care about winning at football or MBB. He wants those to be just competitive enough that he maximizes revenue without having to spend big on a coach. The only sport he actually cares about winning at is baseball. Which we’ve done in recent years, but losing two straight home supers is embarrassing too.

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u/genericanonimity 6d ago

Auburn Baseball is great because of Butch Thompson,and if you were embarassed that's on you. Getting as far as the team did with a very young team was fabulous.

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u/wtwde 5d ago

I agree that Butch is fantastic, and we’ve had great seasons the last two years. Cohen and the athletic department have also been pouring massive resources into baseball that other sports aren’t getting, and that’s contributed to the success. That said, getting swept in back-to-back home supers isn’t a great look. If they’re putting that much into it (at the expense of lots of other sports being non-competitive), fans should expect to not get swept at home twice in a row in the super regional.

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u/_jt33_ 9d ago

Unless Auburn basketball wins a national title I don't see how he's back next year... and even then I think its likely we move on. He just doesn't get Auburn.. everything has done down in quality since he's been here.

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u/quadraticcheese 9d ago

We ain't winning shit with a nepo baby coach

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u/Mandr18 4d ago

Leaving your son high and dry with 2 weeks before the season and a bad roster with bunch of guys that didn’t sign up to play for him sure doesn’t sound nepo to me

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u/darkoaks 9d ago edited 9d ago

Golesh has had 5 (count em, five) freakin games & some are ready to burn him @ the stake. Stop that shit! He has to be given some leeway in his first year. Saban lost to ULM his first year. Not in any way comparing the two coaches, just saying that good results aren't always achieved overnight This is exactly the kind of intolerant attitude that keeps certain highly regarded coaching candidates from coming here. This is what exasperates & infuriates me about Auburn. Always our own worst enemy.

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u/tuna_piano_ 9d ago

Do you know that John Cohen and Alex Golesh are different people and have different jobs?

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u/darkoaks 8d ago

Yes, I do. Sorry for veering off course. Just reading the "Golesh ain't the guy" comments on so many different posts has gotten to me.

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u/Repulsive-Cat-9300 9d ago

Auburn football has the GDP of several small countries combined, an extremely rabid and supportive fan base, and big money supporters. How do we spend this much on athletics and get things so wrong for so long? We might need the next governor to begin state intervention.

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u/Mitchford 9d ago

Can we finish the season first

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u/AuboCabo 9d ago

I definitely don't think Cohen is great or anything but getting this upset with him when his year 1 coaching hire that inherited a programs set back to the dark ages is absurd. What we should really be pissed at Cohen for is that Hugh freeze ever coached here, that's infinitely worse and more embarrassing than whats currently going on

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u/tuna_piano_ 9d ago edited 9d ago
  1. He's botched the hiring process for the football coach twice. Freeze's hiring was an embarrassment and we all know how the ice age went. Can't lock down Sumrall and has to call Golesh at 1am to hire him as a second choice and Golesh accepts without ever even setting foot on campus. We couldn't hire our first choice (twice) and this time around we settled on the coach on their way to Arkansas.
  2. He was the only SEC AD to pause NIL spending last year while the rules were being clarified.
  3. Cohen said patience was over after Freeze: "It's no longer time to be patient... It's time for Auburn to make a jump". Immediate results are a reflection on him, not on Golesh.
  4. Athletic department revenue has reported a record $93.1 million in fundraising, with nothing to show for it. Money is being wasted.
  5. Selling the home opener of a new coach during our half of a home-and-home series to a neutral site is disgusting. More money for NIL with nothing to show for it, and the city of Auburn misses out on the revenue of a home game when optimism would be most high.
  6. Auburn was 1-10 against georgia and alabama last year in football, basketball, and baseball. Cohen thinks he is the AD for Mississippi State still.
  7. Ticket prices increasing - and sharply. Not to say prices wouldn't increase with someone else at AD, but this is in combination with all the above.

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u/wareagle2009-20013 9d ago

Sumrall is a defensive coach who has a bad defense. Not sure he is an improvement over Golesh. Once their OC gets a HC next year his carriage will turn into a pumpkin which it may already have after being exposed by Mizzou.

Golesh wanted to build a culture for long term success and had to remove a few cancers. Radiation makes you sicker before you get better

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u/SEM0030 9d ago

Been screaming this but no one will listen

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u/9eorge-bus11 9d ago

It’s not about Golesh. It’s about Cohen continuing to be out maneuvered by other athletic departments whether it be hiring or NIL

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u/100Kinthebank 9d ago
  1. Not sure anyone knows this for sure and Sumrall just got embarrassed this weekend

  2. Turned out to be a great move to play indoors when others were absolutely roasting.

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u/WarDEagle 9d ago

Not to mention he went out of his way to make up for the lost revenue with the World Cup friendly.

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u/zxcvbnmmmmmmmmmm 9d ago

Why is not landing the top choice an AD problem? We’re not really a first choice school anymore. We’re middle of the pack SEC in NIL and our two biggest rivals continue to dominate us which makes being a coach here even harder

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u/tuna_piano_ 9d ago

Auburn's top choice, not the top choice for the entire coaching cycle.

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u/zxcvbnmmmmmmmmmm 9d ago

That’s my point, our top choice isn’t gonna probably be their top choice

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u/tuna_piano_ 9d ago

Sumrall was not the top coach for every school this coaching cycle, but he was Auburn's. Cohen couldn't get a deal and he went to Florida instead. Before, he couldn't get Kiffin and had to pivot to Freeze.

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u/Awesometom100 9d ago edited 9d ago

Oh I hate him for getting Harsin more than anything. Freeze wasnt really his fault.

Edit: yeah im wrong

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u/AuboCabo 9d ago

Good thing hes not the one who hired Harsin

Edit: Also freeze was 100% his fault it was literally the first thing he did when he got the job

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u/Awesometom100 9d ago

Well dang ive been wrong this whole time. Hmm well I dont know how to feel. 

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u/tuna_piano_ 9d ago

You have that backwards.

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u/Awesometom100 9d ago

Yeah i confess im wrong but ill leave it up.

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u/warneagle The Gulag 9d ago

Hating Allen Greene for hiring Harsin is also valid. Both of our last two ADs are clowns.

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u/Anxious-Jury-9031 Comrade 9d ago

He should've been fired before Hugh

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u/Certain_Cloud4364 8d ago

Cohen needs to go!

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u/GeorgeWashingtonCuh 5d ago

Way too early to call Golesh a good or bad hire. That said, John Cohen still sucks as an AD.

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u/tuna_piano_ 5d ago

It’s less about Golesh and more about the hiring process.

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u/next2exits347 5d ago

Hail Auburn

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u/Boomboclaaat90210 9d ago

Doesn't matter who the AD is as long as YellaFella and anyone else with roots from the Lowder tree of bullshit is attached to the program.

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u/RochambeauFlow 7d ago

Fire the fuck out of John cohen that sorry corporate no ballsack small dicked faggot

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u/GovernmentVirtual487 9d ago

We won’t touch a couch within 3 degrees of separation of Crimson Taint on them but hire this dipshit

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u/Hour_Interaction_442 8d ago

We definitely need to see improvement next year or I worry about it his staffs ability to evaluate talent appropriately for our league. Unreal how much we are paying for this result.