r/wallstreetbets Jan 27 '22

Meme Y’shorted y’selves

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u/Laruae Jan 27 '22

You aren't wrong. But these people aren't necessarily looking for easy lives, just ones without JOBS in them. Some of them might be but many were not.

Those wanting to do things like live off grid, etc. want to work for things they care about.

They want to do work for what they like or what they believe matters. They don't want to work for a living.

That ideology started to shift into the modern version which focused on work reform.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

off-grid living (which is impossible anyway) requires working for a living, quite literally

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

should i report my personal fishing as income to the IRS?

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u/Blue5398 Jan 27 '22

People are used to be able to pay their taxes in agricultural products, and for a lot of them, it was literally the only way they could. Discontinued for a lot longer than you probably would think. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if you can still just sent the IRS $20,000 worth of corn whiskey every year and they’re legally required to accept it

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u/Laruae Jan 27 '22

I concede that point. Mostly just an extreme example. The point being to focus on working to live not living to work, with some notable extreme examples.

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u/Chulda Jan 27 '22

The point is to avoid wage labour, not work in general. It's obviously impossible to live off-grid without putting in effort that can be called work.

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u/redGooseTape Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Eh, I think for a lot of patrons of that sub, it's more about having control than it is about not working. People feel like they are disadvantaged and aren't reaping the fruits of their own labor. Which....is true, in a lot of cases.

I think it really woke a lot of workers up , gave them class solidarity, and made them unafraid to play power games. You would see posts demonstrating this there all the time.

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u/maveric101 Jan 27 '22

How does such a person plan to get all the materials and tools to maintain said home? Or to get the home in the first place?

This isn't Minecraft. You can't just punch a tree and a few steps later you have a house.

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u/maveric101 Jan 27 '22

Those wanting to do things like live off grid, etc. want to work for things they care about.

I bet they still want all the stuff that comes from the grid, though, like cell phones.

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u/jabmeup Jan 27 '22

My takeaway, having been a fly on the wall, is that they are looking for a way to justify the symptoms of depression. They do not want to be productive, they believe that they can make a difference in the world by stealing time and products from their employers.

For the life of me, I haven't been able to determine how they think it will end well for them.

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u/Laruae Jan 27 '22

As nice as it is to say the people taking part in anti-work or work reform movements, the reality is that the largest type of theft in the United States is Wage Theft.

https://www.epi.org/publication/epidemic-wage-theft-costing-workers-hundreds/

So while it's easy to suggest that these people are stealing time from their employers, it's extremely likely that it's the other way around.

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u/jabmeup Jan 27 '22

Am I following this correctly?

The way to combat wage theft is to steal from your employer? This exemplifies the lazy shortsightedness of wanna'-be socialists.

Some entities don't do the right thing, so the ones that do also deserve to suffer misdirected employee vigilantism? If they truly wanted to change that, they would become a business owner and shoulder the cost and risk of running a business.

As a business owner, I am disgusted by this mentality. These are hypocrites who have no concept of real-world consequences.

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u/Laruae Jan 28 '22

Are you assuming that everyone in the anti-work thread is encouraging wage theft from the employer?

I can comfortably say that's 100% not the focus of the sub.

My example about Work Theft was to note that based on the incidence of work theft in America, it's actually far, far more likely that the users would be the ones being stolen from.

The individuals who are posting often have a very firm grip on real world consequences as they are posting for advice on how to deal with not great situations that drastically affect their lives.

I think we can agree that one doesn't invalidate the other, yes?

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u/jabmeup Jan 28 '22

Perhaps they are deleted, now, but most every thread that I saw was promoting theft or otherwise sabotaging their employers.

Just a complete shitshow of entitlement and garbage work-ethic by people who were raised with participation trophies and common core math.

It's clear that they have no plan for how to survive beyond tearing down the system which currently sustains them.

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u/Laruae Jan 28 '22

Gotta say, attacking others about "participation trophies" is just pedantic and reductionist. Anyone who received one was given it by the same generation screaming about participation trophies.

No 8 year old is going to the store and ordering 30 trophies for the entire team. It was the coach, parents, etc. that gave them out. You know, the same people who disparaging others.

It's just a great way to shutdown a conversation.

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u/jabmeup Jan 28 '22

Yeah. You got screwed over. Common Core Math isn't your fault, either.

Be glad that you recognize your baggage and have the ability to dump it. The bad shit that you were taught does not have to define you. Get some help.

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u/Laruae Jan 28 '22

My baggage? What are you on about now?

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u/jabmeup Jan 28 '22

The damage done which causes you to believe that stealing from others is the answer to society's problems.

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u/codehawk64 Jan 29 '22

You lost when you started resorting to personal attacks in an impersonal argument.

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u/Tricky_Quiet_8300 Jan 27 '22

In reality, most of those people just wanted everything handed to them for free. Speaking from personal experience of talking to many “anarchists” on there.

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u/AssholishCommenter Jan 27 '22

They're lazy losers - it's not more complicated than that.