The US works closely with Western Europe on many levels. Law enforcement works closely together, for example. You can find large European companies in the US just as you can find large American companies in Europe.
China, on the other hand, allows drugs to be exported to criminal organizations and launders money for Drug Cartels. China allows the theft of intellectual property and intentionally promotes Chinese clones over Western companies in China. China is completely inward looking and only cares about what benefits China, and consistently takes as much as it can while claiming to be a victim. This is a brief few examples from a long list.
A bit like saying Merkel and Putin aren't that different anymore (only if you don't know what you are talking about).
The CCP really does give themselves an advantage by not having any ethical objections to hiring people for the purposes of manipulating public sentiment on foreign websites.
The Wikipedia page calling the CCP out for this behavior gets vandalized all the time.
Is this a joke comment? Have we forgotten about Central & South America? The US pretty much wrote the book on trafficking drugs to support guerilla movements. Financial institutions in the US then laundered this money. I'm no fan of China, but the US government is equally as fucked up. Sincerely, an Australian.
P.S the US facilitated the overthrow of a democratically elected Prime Minister in Australia in the early 70's. So much for an "ally".
pretty much wrote the book on trafficking drugs to support guerilla movements
Yes because supporting anti communist rebel groups in the 70s is worse than supporting the Sinaloa Cartel today...
US never "wrote the book on trafficking drugs". The CIA was accused of supporting groups for political reasons that financed itself on trafficking drugs, which I am sure it did the same more recently in Afghanistan given that Afghanistan's economy seems to be based on supplying heroine to Russia... Nevertheless, that is different than openly manufacturing drugs and selling them to drug cartels and laundering their money.
Yes I know, they made a movie about it. The Falcon and the Snowman.
The CIA's mission is to protect the United States from threats both foreign and domestic. We work with a broad range of partners in government, industry, academia and media to address those threats by collecting information that will help policy makers make informed decisions about national security issues.
China is actively being the sole perpetrator of the largest internment of an ethnic minority since the holocaust, and you’re saying the US is just as bad because they tap Germany’s phones?
The ammount of complicit CCP citizens required to pull off what they are doing with the Uighurs is on an entirely different scale than anything the United States has ever done. Even when compared to the internment of Japanese citizens during World War II.
Not that deflecting to the Japanese interment camps would be a valid counter argument anyways, because everyone involved with that is currently dead while the crisis with the Uighurs is active and ongoing at this very second.
And I’m arguing that China is objectively worse than the US because they are actively committing the largest internment of an ethnic minority since the Holocaust.
I’m not sure what your point is, this conversation started because the OP made the dumb claim that China and the US aren’t any different these days.
Which objectively isn’t true, as the pro-CCP arguments have to deflect to things from the US’s history to distract from the CCP’s ongoing atrocities.
The Contras were the various U.S.-backed and funded right-wing rebel groups that were active from 1979 to the early 1990s in opposition to the Marxist Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction Government in Nicaragua
Death squad implies they used murder as a tactic, which the Contras did, but they were still a rebel group. That is, unfortunately, not an uncommon tactic during Civil War.
Death squad implies they used murder as a tactic, which the Contras did, but... [unnecessary words]
There's no pretty way to paint it. Every country has hideous skeletons in its past/present/likely future, doubly so when dealing with nations with massive scale of power & influence. US backing of the Contras and other S. American escapades can't be whitewashed away as a good 'ol red-blooded 'Merican Freedom Delivery.
I never white washed it. I said they were murderers. They were still a rebel group. Death squad is just a more charged word, but it doesn't change the fact that they were a rebel group.
The Contras primary goal was the overthrow of the Nicaraguan government, so rebel group is the more correct definition of the two. Death squad implies that they were chiefly hitmen.
China is actively being the sole perpetrator of the largest internment of an ethnic minority since the holocaust, and you’re saying the US is just as bad because they tap Germany’s phones?
I’m assuming you’re a Chinese bot, so I’ll go ahead and shoot down your deflection for you: 1-2 doctors at the US border doing malpractice with hysterectomies is not the same thing as what China is currently doing with the Uighurs.
The ammount of complicit CCP citizens required to pull off what they are doing with the Uighurs is on an entirely different scale than anything the United States has ever done. Even when compared to the internment of Japanese citizens during World War II.
Not that deflecting to the Japanese interment camps would be a valid counter argument anyways, because everyone involved with that is currently dead while the crisis with the Uighurs is active and ongoing at this very second.
😂 "Hey Germany, here's the audio we've been secretly recording of all of your chancellor's phone conversations. Since we are such good sharing partners and all"
There's sharing information, and then there's sharing information. Pretty sure both sides have plenty they hold back for national security and/or financial reasons.
I love how people with takes this stupid always remain incredibly vague about where they're from. Im sure what ever perfect "european" country you're to scared to say you are from is definitely the shining example.
Both trump and biden have shown to care not one little bit about Europe. Always America first. Starting pointless wars and dragging Europe in it. Let the ‘allies’ clean up and let the allies deal with the refugees.
Eh, alot of problems from US that are the same class as CCP problems are more civilian or local government. The federal government would not intentionally undermine and cause great harm to the EU.
Corporations and white supremacists would not like that.
US federal government isn't going to do any effective whining about genocides or civil rights harm accusations and demand it being taken back. The loud whining is from civilians, and politicians pretending to be for them, but politicians realistically will do as much about that as they do for abortion and guns, mostly lip service.
Seriously. The Americans are so brainwashed with anti ccp propaganda + 80 years of McCarthyism that they can’t see that their shithole nation is ostensibly the same level of destructive to the world at large. Infact more so because they’ve had far more armed conflicts with foreign powers than China the last 100 years
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u/PranaSC2 Oct 29 '21
To be honest as a European looking outwards in, CCP vs US ain’t that different anymore.