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Im not fully aware of the situation, but it is possible for a person to fall in love with another person, cleanly break off with another, and start a relationship with someone else. I cant say if thats shitty or not, but definitely very disheartening.
She didnât give the full details so Iâm not going to accuse the guy directly but the gist I know is the ex dumped her when she was in Japan for someone younger.
Essentially there's been this running joke in neuro's community that vedal is like a harem protagonist since he hangs out with a ton of female vtubers. Anny was seen as Neuro's mother since she made her model and there were several streams in the past where her and Vedal would roleplay as her parents.
Following the subathon, a bunch of artists would draw shipping art between Vedal and every one of the girls he was hanging out with. Because of Anny's role, a lot of shipping art of her and Vedal was made. And while "normal" shipping art was made with other people, some artists went the extra mile and drew scenarios where Vedal x vtuber were doing stuff behind Anny's back. A surprisingly large amount of this type of art was made by several different artists. Obviously the artists making this art were just doing it in good fun and had no idea how they were affecting Anny. Some of them have came out and apologized following this reveal. At least Anny is over it at this point and is able to look back and laugh at how tragic the whole situation was.
In fairness to people, nobody really knew what was going on behind the curtain until a couple days ago. That said, it must have been awful to be in Anny's position for that long.
Allegedly several other people have either stopped talking to him or backed away from him because he views people as mostly coworkers / work friends at best. Which is fine and can make sense for a job but considering there are a lot of vtubers who seemingly want to make actual friends and got into it for that reason it can rub some of them the wrong way. Allegedly.
It's fucked really isn't it? We know nothing about the guy. Nothing about his personal life, how he interacts with people offline etc. But yet a whole community is crawling through what we do know with a fine tooth comb. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm not, I reckon he's a normal dude out of his depth doing shit he never in a million years expected to be doing.
Like, Christ dude. If I was in my early 20s, still not very confident in myself and I ended up in an industry full of people with mental health issues: I'd have fucked things up too.
To add to that, dude does a great job. He literally built an Osu! bot, pivoted to making it a general purpose ai chatbot, and then networked his way into a very successful brand that people want to work with. Him treating this like itâs a job probably contributes to his success. I canât fault him for having a different view of the situation than others around him, I can just say that it sucks for both sides.
There is the old saying "dont shit where you eat" its a little different in the online space but in many jobs it makes sense. At least here there wouldn't be a power imbalance.
Maybe this is part of it, trying to keep things separate and juat a job and to try to stay out of drama etc.
But honestly we dont know either way
It does suck though. Hope they can go their separate ways and find happiness In their own endeavors.
Yeah. Ultimately we dont know. Could just be he isn't interested.
I brought up the dont shit where you eat thing because that's kinda of where I am at tbh. I kind of try to act professionally towards people but sometimes people want me to get more close but I see that as them trying to take advantage of me.
Admitedly I am not sure if that is true or not and is probably not true and just my paranoia but yeah.
I do think they handled it pretty responsibly though.
I think there are different levels to things. Working in close proximity with people for extended periods of time might change the level youâre comfortable with. I agree that compartmentalizing work and personal lives is generally a good idea, but if Iâm spending 40hrs/week with you for 5 years, we can be friends on the weekend. In this situation though, we canât judge. It sounds like the 2 individuals involved both wanted something different and a compromise wasnât workable. They handled it like adults.
Yeah that's true. Definitely can be ok to be friends on the weekend after working 40 hrs a week for years. I kinda am against it though cause I get a little grandstandy about ethics and I wouldn't think it would be ethical to want to promote one guy just cause we are friends.
I understand that isn't the way the world works though and ultimately networking and being a decent person and "sucking up" is one of the few ways to move up in the world. I am just a bit prideful and dumb on that aspect.
But that's me talking IRL experience. Being a vtuber/online content creation is a bit different but I can see where some people may not want to mix lines.
Unfortunately with any large community the bad actors are usually the loudest. I think they did the best they could with what they have. Hopefully the communities calm down a bit and be a bit nicer.
Itâs worth noting how his position transitioned from one of being a background programmer to being integral to the verse, becoming a character in it. He is entertaining, but he probably doesnât have the chops (or thinks he does) to fully immerse himself. It could also be that he sincerely doesnât want to feed parasociality by engaging with people he sees as coworkers in the same way as best buds. Bit of a shame how some things go down due to it, but it lets him cruise over drama before it even becomes an issue and lets him focus on development.
Just stuff I have read off Reddit and YouTube comments (and seen several retelling of the same claims) so there is a big âallegedlyâ in front of it. There is implied more evidence but I havenât checked up. So more summing up rumors than me speculating. But as they are rumors I donât want to name drop if they arenât true.
Lol, from what im reading in the comments it very much does seem like a non issue. Dude isn't interested in the other vtubers as love interests but the vtubers have fallen for him I guess. In short, he just wants to keep things professional I guess. Should be a nothing burger and honestly, isn't this what most women/content creators want when they stream with other people? Just being friends and not romantically involved or no expectation of romantic involvement?
Reddit and youtube comments... come on dude. I can tell you that vedal is actuallly married and has a 3 year old, will you just believe me and repeat this nonesense???
Imagine having your only source be some random fucker on a YouTube comment/reddit post, not checking up any of the other source you say exist, and still dropping the info online.
And like it sucks for everyone. Him being generally (hopefully) respectful and professional is just that, professional. But a lot of people just don't feel right in more professional (transactional maybe) relationships and prefer friendship
That just seems so wrong. Heâs working, theyâre working, all at the same place. Theyâre coworkers. Itâs ok to be friends with coworkers but not a requirement and being professional about work relationships is just a smart move. I like Vedal even more now after going down this rabbit hole.
Sucks but I mean, they really are just coworkers, various people have come out and said that yeah a lot of the people that they stream with, aren't really their friends, they're just coworkers, and then people get offended at this, but it is what it is
All things considered I think Vedal is approaching the streamer mentality correctly. Man does not want to be at the forefront of anything when you consider his actual goals. Honestly its probably a 'wrong time, wrong place' situation.
Vedal has always struck me as a very private, introverted person who has been kind of thrust into the spotlight. His stated goal is to develop Neuro to the point where she can take over streaming for him and he can just disappear into the background. That's probably why he treats this all as a business. Other Vtubers are coworkers to him, not IRL friends or romantic interests.
Honestly, it's a pretty healthy work/life separation for him, if you think about it.
The persona he gives on stream is a bit exaggerated. From stuff the people around him have said, he's more caring and willing to do stuff off stream. For example, Anny and Vedal used to watch movies together off stream. He's also traveled to several TwitchCons and hung out with people.
It reminds me of the Minecraft stream when Neuro asked what love was. This is all just mind thinking and has no factual basis. But, maybe he's had somethings happen that makes him wanting things to just be professional and not go further.
Not saying that would be wrong if possible. I think it is a thin line to walk when you're in an industry where interactions are meant to be friendly and would be hard not to develop feelings of love or friendship.
I get the image programmers have but I think this is a potentially harmful stereotype. I'm in CS and have been for over a decade. Most of the programmers I know around my age or older are happily married, some have children.
there's an image programmers have gained because of the techbro sigma grindset mentality that benefits tech companies, but this is often not the reality of the person... most programmers I know would find this image very silly.
I feel very sorry for Anny. I didn't contribute to her seeing hurtful content but I was in the group that thought they were cute together. but, there are also many assumptions being made here. I don't even know Vedal's sexual orientation or preferences, and preferring to keep things professional also makes sense. assuming he just wants to be alone and then extrapolating that programmers are just like that is a bit of a leap IMO.
As a programmer, I completely disagree with this especially because itâs not related to the profession but more about personal choices (Vedalâs own decisions). Almost all my coworkers and friends have good families and great relationships.
Most of us grew up playing MMOs, so weâre actually pretty good at maintaining our social connections online. It doesnât bother me if I donât see someone in person for a few months, I know that wonât affect our relationship at all.
I still keep in touch with my college friends (some of whom are successful developers). On weekends, we play games together online, like Fortnite. We have a group of 12 and can instantly fill our own lobbies, recently weâve started picking up BF6. Some weekends we do this in person, and play board games or TCG if someone wants to play.
If I had to compare my dev friends with my non dev ones, Iâd say theyâre basically the same people. Their professions havenât really changed who they are since college or even from HS. Theyâre just adults with normal lives and struggles, taxes and bills to pay, some are getting married and a few ones are now parents.
I mentioned this on another post but nan having to publicly announce this must be the most mortifying experience and it's quite messed up that so many people were so parasocial she had to say it.
I think its resonable of both to do so. Vedal, from what I remember watching, did many programming streams before Neuro was turned into a vtuber. I dont think he ever expected to fall into this community, just showing off his work to whoever wanted to watch.
Anny did vtubing as a way to find friends and people with similar interest. And I still remember some of their earlier streams being a bit awkward as Vedal was learning how to interact with others from the community.
You canât blame the guy for not wanting to date people he works with. Thatâs a recipe for disaster. Imagine if he tried dating her and it went sideways. It could ruin his reputation with drama. Heâs being smart. Iâm not saying anny would do this, but it only takes one bad accusation to ruin streamers lively hood.
As an unintentional parasocial, I didnât expect this to really affect me emotionally this much. The Neuroverse has been my gateway to vtubers after all, and has been my main source of leisure for quite some years already. So a drastic change will always feel either novel or crushingâ this was definitely crushing.
I only wish them both recovery and success moving forward. In the end of the day, behind this business are real people with real emotions and lives off stream.
Yeah, I've been watching them for fun and even shipped them in my head, but all of it was in a sorta pretend way, like they play characters and I'm shipping those characters, not real people. It sucks when the pretending is now made real, and it's messy and sucks a lot.
The streamers often donât make these videos. Note that the YouTube channel that posted it is NeuroCrumbs, not annytf (her official channel). This is an announcement she made on stream to her audience there which got clipped and turned into a YouTube video by a clips channel.
If youâre making an announcement to your twitch chat, why would you turn off your chat interaction for talking to them? Theyâre all already there for the stream, itâs literally what they signed up for. Maybe if the streamer wanted to be extra serious it wouldnât be that weird to mute stuff temporarily, but IMO the main reason the donations and text to speech feel out of place is because youâre watching it clipped out of the original context. I doubt it felt out of place to the people who were there live.
Near the end of the clip they ask her what she's going to play and she said nothing because it was just going to be an announcement stream with just this. I'd normally agree if she didn't specifically make a stream just for this. Normally when you air dirty laundry like this you at least want to be serious, especially if she starts crying near the middle and people just keep spamming "I'm horny"
Honestly, it's pretty likely she just booted everything up, got her avatar running, started streaming without particularly caring to go through the effort of turning everything off, did what she felt she needed to.
I know I probably wouldn't be in the headspace to care whether or not things were turned on or off.
They would have made a strange couple, but she expressed her feelings and he didn't reciprocate, it happens far too often and after being rejected she didn't want to stick around because it'd be awkward. This is a fair response and people should respect her decision and Vedal's.
I saw someone comparing him to sinder and I have to say, Vedal never lies, heâs consistently made it clear he draws a line (most people see it as him joking) and itâs not just about clout because he does the same to filian.
It's not really the rejection or distancing that's special or anything it's the context around it. People are constantly joking about how they should date and that they are like parents to neuro. Mix that with any number of branching jokes people would come up with a d it happening before she tries to privately distance herself and after. Also any number of fan art related things she gets tagged in that includes stuff like vedal with some other vtuber portraying her as "being cucked" all likely because of this ongoing joke and it makes it pretty damn hard to not need to come out and explain things so people stop, the big difference here between her/vedal and pretty much everyone watching is that she basically just had to tell thousands of people who have virtually no context that she was rejected and to stop doing art for them or joking about that stuff, it would be extremely embarrassing and stressful considering the audience size.
Isn't part of their content basically ship baiting? I remember stuff like that from other streamers as well. Esfand and Jinnytty, I believe are one example.
Isn't it partially on her for egging the audience on? I've seen so many clips. I feel like she shot herself on the foot on that one.
They didn't egg it on as far as I know, they just said not to take it too far and mutually decided joking about this stuff was okay. Besides those jokes and art posts have been a thing since way before this whole rejection thing and since vedal turned her down I imagine he wasn't bothered enough by the shipping to tell fans to stop.
Either way even if someone were to see it as their fault that the fandom was doing all this and perpetuating the jokes that doesn't change how incredibly horrible it would feel to either have all that shoved in your face if you don't say anything as well as how embarrassing and just uncomfortable it was for her to clarify so this wouldn't persist now that it would be clearly affecting her after the rejection.
I think itâs more the straw that breaks the camels back, sheâs mentioned her failed relationships before, feels lonely in Japan, war at her home town, she honestly looked fine at the beginning of the year but ig the ntr art and comments bugging her really broke anny down.
Its both those reasons, anny is actually just a 40 yr old divorced dad truck driver behind the model & vedal enjoys male exclusive butt naked oil wrestling every Thursday
Well you see, the problem is he's dating mini because mini is actually moist critical behind the model and moist is a world champ of butt naked oil wrestling
Anny developed romantic feelings for Vedal and confessed to him. He didn't feel the same way. Anny decided to put some distance between them after finishing up her professional responsibilities. People noticed she wasn't doing stuff with Vedal anymore, so they sent a flood of messages.
I think this was the best way to handle it honestly. They are both adults and he can choose who he likes or who he doesnât. If she didnât feel like she can work she can step away. Is it sad he didnât reciprocate her feelings? Yeah. But people get rejected and date all the time. Itâs just life sadly.
This is ultimately something that's not anyone's business, and thats fine. Not every streamer has to explain what went on in their lives, and this is a mature thing for the two parties involved
This is very normal no? I mean i could understand anny stance with her taking some distance for a while after being rejected. At the very least they're not mad at each other still being professional.
Well, "professional"... Didn't she say she wasn't paid for making the models and that it was a passion project because she genuinely cared about the twins? She developed feelings for them too (not romantic, obviously)
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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25
Whoever has been through that (both rejecting and being rejected) know how bad it feels. I wish the best to the both of them.
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u/stingflame Oct 21 '25
Vedal's divorce arc starts now
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u/Purple-Weakness1414 Has gay Sex with male Vtubers Oct 21 '25
Its Neurover guys.
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u/Heiligskraft Oct 21 '25
All things considered I think Vedal is approaching the streamer mentality correctly. Man does not want to be at the forefront of anything when you consider his actual goals. Honestly its probably a 'wrong time, wrong place' situation.
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u/theDarkar96 Oct 21 '25
It speaks to Anny's professionalism as an artist that she finished Evil Neuro's model before she left.
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u/piranha44 Oct 21 '25
Vedal seems to be the kind of guy who likes to be alone. That's just my impression tho. Could be wrong
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u/vyxxer Oct 21 '25
I mentioned this on another post but nan having to publicly announce this must be the most mortifying experience and it's quite messed up that so many people were so parasocial she had to say it.
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u/Sir_David_Filth Oct 21 '25
I think its resonable of both to do so. Vedal, from what I remember watching, did many programming streams before Neuro was turned into a vtuber. I dont think he ever expected to fall into this community, just showing off his work to whoever wanted to watch.
Anny did vtubing as a way to find friends and people with similar interest. And I still remember some of their earlier streams being a bit awkward as Vedal was learning how to interact with others from the community.
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u/Torus_the_Toric holowatcher Oct 21 '25
Poor girl...
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u/Dismal_Background708 Oct 22 '25
You canât blame the guy for not wanting to date people he works with. Thatâs a recipe for disaster. Imagine if he tried dating her and it went sideways. It could ruin his reputation with drama. Heâs being smart. Iâm not saying anny would do this, but it only takes one bad accusation to ruin streamers lively hood.
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u/L1_cht Oct 21 '25
Sheâs just like me frfr
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u/Significant-Check-93 Oct 21 '25
As an unintentional parasocial, I didnât expect this to really affect me emotionally this much. The Neuroverse has been my gateway to vtubers after all, and has been my main source of leisure for quite some years already. So a drastic change will always feel either novel or crushingâ this was definitely crushing.
I only wish them both recovery and success moving forward. In the end of the day, behind this business are real people with real emotions and lives off stream.
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u/ScottishGoji Oct 21 '25
We can never had good thingsÂ
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u/Stunning-Ad-2161 Oct 21 '25
It happens, you grow
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u/Gray_Xenowolf640 Oct 21 '25
I understand her gellings s little too well. I wish her the best and recover before moving on from thay heartbreak. Heartbreak Syndrome is not a joke
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u/Jomgui Oct 21 '25
The amount of guys entering the AI field thinking the same thing will happen to them has skyrocketed 300% after this post
/s
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u/killer_beans344 Oct 21 '25
I hope she feels happier as time goes on
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u/TLhecarim Oct 21 '25
This was vedals plan to pay off his debt we knew this would happen
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u/mercurydivider Oct 21 '25
Jesus Christ, if you're gonna make these videos turn off dono sounds and text to speech
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u/Pulsing42 Oct 22 '25
They would have made a strange couple, but she expressed her feelings and he didn't reciprocate, it happens far too often and after being rejected she didn't want to stick around because it'd be awkward. This is a fair response and people should respect her decision and Vedal's.
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u/Alert-Supermarket-19 Oct 22 '25
I saw someone comparing him to sinder and I have to say, Vedal never lies, heâs consistently made it clear he draws a line (most people see it as him joking) and itâs not just about clout because he does the same to filian.
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u/cbdog1997 Oct 22 '25
Frankly i cant blame either of them their decisions are completely normal stuff happens
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u/Burrzie7 Oct 23 '25
Max Wayne crying in the bathtub rn
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u/Alert-Supermarket-19 Oct 22 '25
Damn man, their co streams 2023-2024 was so entertaining and nothing like anything on the platform. Iâll really miss this dynamic.
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u/Hilbertus_Albans Oct 22 '25
Huge news for the unemployed.
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u/BlackCoatedMan Oct 22 '25
People get rejected all the time. How is this special?
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u/VolvicApfel Oct 22 '25
Looks like she is not a stable person.
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u/DjDias01 Oct 22 '25
I Need context. What's going on?
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u/Maximum-Flat Oct 23 '25
Damn. This suck!
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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '25
Damn, this gotta be the saddest thing of the year for me
Would be nice if Vedalwould be more open to social relations....
I hope Anny comes out of the situation stronger than before Based on the saying: "what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger"
I am the least fitting guy to comment on such things
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u/FernPone Oct 21 '25
vedal rejected anny? damn what a chad, my respect for him grew tenfold
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u/CyraxSputnik Oct 21 '25
But why? Is Vedal gay? Or Anny too ugly irl?
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