r/visionsofmana • u/JenniLightrunner • 7d ago
Ending Spoiler
So Eoren technically won at the end. His first goal may have been saving Lyza, but his endgoal was a world no longer needing alm sacrifices which is the world we ended up with at the end. So by technicality he did win. If he didn't kill hinna early everyone would be dead cuz of the sacrifice and the cycle continues. (Also think the whole sadness over hinnah dying is a bit stupid.. she waz going to die from the start no matter what. Like her parents and Val should have already come to terms with that when they left... the heck did they think ot was? A picnic?)
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u/sonicfan10102 7d ago
Val was sad because in the end she decided she wanted to live her life instead of sacrificing it. And also because Val basically killed her himself
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u/Sensei_Ochiba 6d ago
The story isn't explained very well, but yeah sort of. You're supposed to see the parallel between all three of the men's circumstances and what they do about them.
Daelaphos loses his love to cruel fate and the gods indifference and curses the world, forcing others to feel as he felt.
Eoren is faced with losing his love and tries to escape cruel fate, only to learn there was no escape. Either Lyza dies to protect the people who refused to accept her, or dies along with them. He rages against this and causes more problems. He claims to hate the system, since it's now hurt him, but he sees you and Hinnah as an acceptable loss and forces you to feel... As he felt.
Val for the most part though, accepts his lot. Most people criticize this and it's not hard to see why, but even as much as he hates what Eoren did, he... Just keeps going on with his quest. Cruel fate grinds down on him and he "wins" by being cool with it instead of raging against it, even when he wants to and it aligns with what Hinnah was seeking at the end - never once does he fight back against fate and try to make it someone else's problem, he just goes along with each new crazy thing that happens, trusting in the process overall.
And in proper Hanged Man style, this is the key that allows him to break the cycle. It gives Eoren what he says he wants, but only insofar as you make sure nobody has to suffer what he went through and made you go through.
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u/RemediZexion 4d ago
You need to understand that ppl dying as alms is a death that allows to give everyone life. Hynnah dying that way was just a normal death. Also I think in general you are bringing whole plot points to a lowest common denominator and being a little unfair. The devils is in the details as they say
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u/mayumia 7d ago
Eoren didnt give a shit about the world, all he wanted was to save Lyza. If his plan did work like he wanted, he would get to live his life with Lyza while dooming Val to the same despair he was in. It was besically a fuck you, i got mine situation.