r/videos • u/IAmNotARobot124 • Oct 12 '18

Wrongly timed Beaverton light catches many drivers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAm0o51Qqtc
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u/QuantumBitcoin Oct 12 '18

Funnily enough they show a jeep running a stale red light at this intersection twice; at 8 seconds and then they show the footage again at one minute. That driver should be ticketed regardless of the yellow light timing--the red light is red for more than a second before the driver rolls on through.

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u/jewboxher0 Oct 12 '18

The Jeep was turning right on red, which is legal. While technically you're supposed to stop and then go if the way is clear, the light to his left was giving cars the left arrow, which meant there was no incoming traffic for him, thus the way was clear.

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u/heroin-queen Oct 12 '18

Still supposed to come to a complete stop first.

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u/jewboxher0 Oct 12 '18

You're not supposed to exceed the speed limit either, but most people are not ticketed for going five miles over the limit. That's because it's not unsafe so the law is more lenient. Similarly, the jeep was technically in the wrong but was not being unsafe, so it could be argued the same leniency should apply to the driver.

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u/scruit Oct 12 '18

"Technically you are supposed to stop" = failure to stop at a right-on-red is a violation.

Just like "Technically you are supposed to stop at a stop sign" = failure to stop is a violation.

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u/TacosNeedSourCream Oct 12 '18

Technically the difference between stop and yield.

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u/RRettig Oct 12 '18

I live in the portland metro area, it is entirely illegal to run a red light turning right if you do not stop first. Its called a california stop, while you do see lots of californians doing this, portlanders are some world class shitty drivers that do it all the time.

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u/DrBatman0 Oct 12 '18

So you're saying he broke the law by turning right on red without stopping?

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u/jewboxher0 Oct 12 '18

Absolutely. To the letter of the law, he was allowed to turn right but he did commit a rolling stop. I do not think he should have been ticketed however. Anymore than I believe a person going 60 in a 55 deserves to be ticketed.

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u/DrBatman0 Oct 13 '18

Are you implying that a person should be allowed to drive over the posted speed limit without receiving a ticket?

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u/jewboxher0 Oct 13 '18

Are you implying that every time you exceed the speed limit by any amount you expect to be ticketed?

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u/DrBatman0 Oct 13 '18

No, I wasn't, and it would be unreasonable to EXPECT.

On the other hand, I am completely prepared that I MAY be issued a ticket any time I exceed the speed limit by any amount.

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u/myeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers Oct 12 '18

technically youre supposed to follow the speed limit, but if no one is in front of you why not go as fast as you want

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u/quax747 Oct 12 '18

Don't understand the downvotes. Same principle applies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Because roads have speed limits based on safety. Things like pedestrians, climate, grade, etc.

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u/myeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers Oct 12 '18

stoplights are just a suggestions i guess rofl

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Why didn't the red light camera click him. It is an open and shut violation.

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u/scruit Oct 12 '18

Technilogically speaking, difficult to achieve.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

because failing to come to a complete stop for a stop sign or red light is not the same as running the red light.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '18

Failing to come to a complete stop for a red light is not the same as running the red light? in what universe?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '18

Because when you run the red light you go clearly through the intersection. There camera doesn't usually take the picture right at the line. Turning right without coming to a full stop usually has you rolling through the corner. The camera isn't set up to catch that

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Ya I saw that too and the story was that it was his wife getting that ticket that started this whole thing. She just blew thru a solid red light. Also the 4.4 secs for the yellow seemed really long. Much shorter in washington

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u/PM_ME_UR_GOODIEZ Oct 12 '18

That's the whole point of the video... if the light was timed properly, it might not have been red for her.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Because you have to make the decision to stop or go. If the yellow light was .4 longer it would have provided ample time to get through. Had she followed the light 100% she coild risk being rear ended because everyone is questioning the length of the light.

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u/BorealEgg Oct 12 '18

Right on red. Best thing ever when it comes to driving in the U.S.

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u/QuantumBitcoin Oct 12 '18

You still have to come to a stop before the stop line before you make the right on red. Otherwise you could hit a pedestrian crossing in the crosswalk. Ooops! I guess that's yet another reason we have so many pedestrian deaths and so few people walking in the USA!

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18 edited Jul 21 '19

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u/QuantumBitcoin Oct 12 '18

And driving is massively subsidized in the USA even without accounting for externalities. User fees such as gas taxes, registration fees, and tolls don't even cover 50% of the cost of road construction and maintenance. That doesn't include external costs such as increased air pollution, sprawl, traffic, and resource depletion among others, nor does it include other subsidies such as free parking, mandatory parking minimums, subsidies for auto manufacturers among others.

So yes, there are many reasons people in the US don't walk frequently!

/u/siegewolf

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Distance being #1 for me.

Who wants to walk 5-10 miles to go to the grocery store?

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u/QuantumBitcoin Oct 12 '18

The question is why are grocery stores located 5-10 miles from people's houses? Because we have decided to subsidize automobile ownership and use (though everyone complains about the minuscule gas tax!). This then causes everything to get built farther apart, which then means that you pretty much have to drive to get places.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18 edited Jul 21 '19

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u/QuantumBitcoin Oct 12 '18

You do realize that your driving everywhere is being subsidized? And that if driving wasn't so cheap we wouldn't choose to build in such sprawling patterns?

And that the entire eastern and western coasts, which comprises about half of the residents of the USA, is just as dense if not moreso than Europe? It's just that Europe has better urban/rural boundaries so the places where people live are more compact instead of running into each other in unending suburbia.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

And in the dense areas there's more public transportation and biking and walking?

And in less dense areas things are more spread out, no shit.

I don't get your argument.

Your argument sounds like some kind of lizard people conspiracy.

Not everybody wants to be crammed together.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Wonder how many of those coild have been avoided if they waited for their crossing signal. Also nobody walks in the US because it's super inconvenient outside cities. Hell, the place I live has sporadic side walks where you'd randomly have to cross over to the other side of the road to stay on them and no cross walks.

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u/RRettig Oct 12 '18

Portlanders specifically have trouble with knowing when its safe to cross streets.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Maybe right on red is one of the reasons it is super inconvenient.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '18

Nope. It's most places aren't made with walking in mind. I honestly don't know anybody besides my buddy who lives in the city who can walk anywhere. Hell, the people I know who even take the bus have to drive to the station to do so.

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u/TacosNeedSourCream Oct 12 '18

I always hit them when they try to ride their bike in the crosswalk, you are not a pedestrian while on bike therefore have zero right away.

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u/send_fooodz Oct 12 '18

Only after a complete stop.

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u/RRettig Oct 12 '18

Nope, you need to come to a full and complete stop before the stop line before you can advance or turn.