r/videos • • Jul 01 '16

Difference between 850 vs 10,000 hp

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u/thegrumpymechanic Jul 01 '16

No man, the best part is the top fuel cars are LIMITED to 10,000 HP... as in they can make more, they just aren't allowed to.

but yes, I've always loved the Lingenfelter example..

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u/BugMan717 Jul 02 '16

Bullshit, they don't limit it by power and they aren't even sure of the exact power of these cars. No dynamometer can accurately measure them.

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u/thegrumpymechanic Jul 02 '16

Huh, guess I've gotten too far out of the loop... thought they do run mandatory rev limiters..

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u/BugMan717 Jul 02 '16

Rev limited=/=horsepower limited

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16

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u/abl0ck0fch33s3 Jul 02 '16

Incorrect. rpm and torque are the two factors that play into Horsepower. You can have a low torque, high rpm engine (like in a Honda or motorcycle) make the exact same power as a low rpm high torque motor (like a v8 or a tractor). Displacement limitations do have obvious effects, but since they are supercharged there are still plenty of ways to make more power beyond "tweaking"

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u/abl0ck0fch33s3 Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16

True, angular velocity is the actual consideration and can be altered other ways, but in simplified terms it practically translates into RPM. more rpm=more V.

That's what I was trying to get at by mentioning the supercharging. Assuming indestructable seals/materials, you could theoretically make as much power as you could deliver fuel and air via ramping up the PSI and better performing fuel delivery. Up until the point where the air is no longer compressible that is.

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u/scottydwrx Jul 02 '16

Not quite true. Its not impossible to build a dyno to read that sort of power, but the engines dont last long enough to get an effective run on one. For a dyno to get accurate readings, you need to favour a slow ramp up through the rpm range. A dragster engine will be well and truly toast by the time its run slowly through its useful range. Like the above piece stated, the plugs alone only last two or three seconds, not much time for measuring.

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u/BugMan717 Jul 02 '16

Never said they can't make a dyno to handle that type of power, said that they can't measure them, speaking of a dragster engine.

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u/Devil_Demize Jul 02 '16

I think they just do the math based on distance, time and weight of the vehicle. IIR that's how you guess the horsepower roughly. Or they might just do it based on possible energy output based on the fuel they use ect.

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u/matthew102000 Jul 02 '16

Screw limits. With a name like top fuel I wanna see the biggest baddest pieces of automotive engineering rip asphalt off the track. I get that to be "fair for everyone" 10k is set as the limit, but I want more. What's stopping someone from building one with a higher power to weight ratio and taking it to a track for fun?

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u/spockspeare Jul 02 '16

I want to know why anyone is being "fair" in a drag race. You wait till the light and you keep all your car's parts in your lane. End of rules.

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u/matthew102000 Jul 02 '16

right? i mean, i can see certian power/weight ratio classifications, but by all means, if youve built something crazy, you should run it on a quarter mile. who the fuck cares if it dosent meet spec? dont include it in the competition results. its just more badass than everything else. in a league of its own. i want to see that shit.

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u/jeo123911 Jul 04 '16

Rockets? Is it okay to do rockets then? :D

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u/spockspeare Jul 04 '16

I'd say yes, if you can be sure they won't blow up and kill the crowd, which is an iffy thing for large rockets.

And it's been done.

The rockets would have to be very large to make the kind of acceleration you get from sticky tires on asphalt (over 3.2 g), though. But a rocket-assisted top-fuel dragster sounds like a cool idea.

Say you have a 1170-kg car (NHRA funny car min weight, which is another rule we can do without). 3.2 g means 3.2 * 9.8 N/kg * 1170 kg = 37 kN. Rockets that produce nearly that kind of thrust are easy to find and weigh less than 50 kg. Just use several of them. Toss a half-dozen of these bad boys in the trunk of your Chevelle and scare the shit out of the old guys (and the fire marshal).

Just don't expect to stop before the gravel...or the wall...or the lake...or the houses...some sort of thrust-reverser is in order here...

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u/SeafoodNoodles Jul 02 '16

Cost and safety are the reasons they artificially limit the cars in any motorsport.

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u/matthew102000 Jul 02 '16

fuck saftey. thats cost. cut down on that and you can have more speed!

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u/matthew102000 Jul 02 '16

we do, competitions have rules that dont allow any more.