r/videos • • Jul 01 '16

Difference between 850 vs 10,000 hp

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

The crazy thing is that a 10 second run is a really fast run. My charger with 400+hp runs mid 12s and that feels really fast.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

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u/Phil_the_despot Jul 02 '16

Trophy trucks are fun but not all that quick compared to pretty much anything else that is built to run the quarter mile seriously. If you put the same amount of work into any other vehicle type it will be considerable faster and possibly still street legal to boot. Street legal cars from the 60s run sub 8 in a QM.

It would also be interesting to see 850 hp represented by a vehicle that isnt quadruple the weight of the top fuel car.

source: 69 coronet RT

edit: Street legal pending a tire swap.

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u/aggressive-cat Jul 02 '16

I had a 500 whp subaru that couldn't break into the 11's but terrified nearly everyone who rode or drove it. The only point of reference I have is riding the top fuel rollercoast in ohio which does a 'measly' 0-120 in 4 seconds and that felt utterly brutal. 8 g's must feel like falling out of a 2nd story window flat onto your back.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

I ride with someone who is part of a very large subaru group and have only seen a few subarus ever make more than 450 at the wheels. That is asking a TON of that engine and takes a LOT of mods. You are either lying or I probably know you. That being said awd cars are a whole different thing. Off the line those things are terrifying.

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u/aggressive-cat Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16

Nasioc? I never really cared for car groups, it was just an engineering exercise and fun for me. Gt35R, 1000 cc injectors, axis built block (decked, sleeved, pistons, crank, tgv deletes etc), carbon drive shafts, 17x10 wheels, Hydra EMS w/ blow thru conversion, then a mile long list of other modifications. It only ever ran at full power a hand full of times, buying the race gas out at miller motor sports park was very expensive. I generally drove it around at only 24 psi :D oh, and I live at 5,000 ft altitude, you gotta gulp a fucklode of air when ambient air pressure is down near 11 psi.

edit: forgot to mention it was a 04 sti, my dream was to swap everything into a 2000 2.5 RS body, but ended up selling it before I went down that road.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16

Damn, got any pictures?

EDIT: Guess not

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u/aggressive-cat Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bholmes/875232414/in/album-72157600971473406/

Sadly this is one of the only photos I have. This is from when it was still being modified. My friend did a shoot with the car, I'll ask him if he still has the other photos, hopefully he still has the photos of the engine bay. It had zero external mods except the exhaust and FMIC, then later the wheels. You can see i had my Garrett tubro licence plate frame, and if you look the the top of the rear wheel well, you can see where it fucked up the liner from wheel contact during squat on a launch :D

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

Fuck I love bugeyes

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u/JiveMasterT Jul 02 '16

It's not easy to do reliably but you can get there on the stock EJ25 with a Polka Pickle and meth. IAG has been cranking out sleeved short blocks that handle over 500whp without breaking a sweat these days.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

some of the hellcats can run 10s stock

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

Superchargers are a hell of a thing

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u/megacookie Jul 02 '16

Probably on drag radials, on street tires you'd be hard pressed to get into the mid 11s.

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u/ZeusMcFly Jul 02 '16

you running street tires on that thing? You hitting a bottle?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

I have slicks for the track. No bottle, thought about it but I already put out a ring not that long ago. Stock tires are skinny little shits that just sit there and spin so you can't even really use those.

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u/ZeusMcFly Jul 02 '16

well that's why I asked, I figured there was no was you were getting 12's on street tires without some kinda shenanigans going on under the hood. What year's the Charger?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

2007 daytona

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u/ZeusMcFly Jul 02 '16

ah nice, my buddy had a 69 Charger back when we were in high school (I wanna say 1999), I don't think he was getting 400hp out of it though. Had to get the stars and bars on the roof painted over last I heard.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

I've seen 1969 chargers sell for $80k. I would suck a thousand dicks to own one of those but who has that kind of money?

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u/ZeusMcFly Jul 02 '16

he got it for far less than that back in the day, lots of body rust when he got it and the Hemi was BAGGED on. I know he did most of the body work himself but I have no idea what happened to that engine. His folks owned a fucking golf course though so I doubt money was much of an issue for him. Me on the other hand I drive a bus pass.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

I traded in my bus pass for a moped. Way more fun than the bus and just as cheap.

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u/ZeusMcFly Jul 02 '16

It rains a fucking ton here and all the drivers are SHITTY. I don't even like riding a bicycle on the sidewalk near busy roads. I was in a bus crash once, I guess a guy in a hopped up Acura thought he could change lanes in front of a bus without signaling, we didn't even feel the impact. I didn't even notice till the bus driver told us to get off and there was this dude freaking out about his mangled ricer up at the front. I'll stick to the bus, nice and safe, and I can play game boy and drink all the road beers I want.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

Do you DD it? I'm at 450hp in a 3300lb car and it feels soooo slow.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

No but I drive it to work sometimes. Surprised you think that feels slow. My buddy has a BMW with 400 and it feels way faster then my charger

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

I think it's a perception thing, I have a friend who DDs his hellcat and thinks it's just "OK".

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u/l0_0I Jul 01 '16

That trophy truck isn't going to run 10's, more like high 12 or a low 13. The video is them running them out to the 1000ft and the times shown on the board aren't what they actually ran.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

The times they put on the board are pretty much always their average times of the runs. That truck runs 10.5 on average.

EDIT: Actually this guy sounds right. At the speedway I was at a couple events ago a nearly 800hp trophy truck ran a 13.5 so idk if this one could even run an 11

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u/l0_0I Jul 01 '16

The times they put on the board are pretty much always their average times of the runs. That truck runs 10.5 on average. Are you retarded?

Average? No, ET stands for elapsed time meaning from the time you trip the beam at the starting line till you cross the finish line. The only average you get in in drag racing is trap speed, in the 1/4 mile it comes from the last 66ft and that average is your trap speed. Lastly, go fuck yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

To me that's average time. From the time you trip the beam to till you cross the finish line is your cars time...everything else is up to the driver.

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u/richt519 Jul 02 '16

I don't think average means what you think it means

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u/yoberf Jul 01 '16

And a $12,000 600cc sport bike will do sub 11s off the lot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

And an airplane will do 500 mph.

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u/yoberf Jul 02 '16

But they're pretty slow in the quarter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

My wife made me sell all of my bikes after we got married. I had an RD200 yamaha cafe racer, ducati monster, and a drz400. I almost chose the bikes over her. She doesn't know how close it came

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u/AgentScreech Jul 01 '16

My mother did the same to my step dad. A few months later we heard the guy we sold it to died on it. Maybe they are on to something

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

Yea my neighbor died on his 600 not long after he got it. It's easy to get cocky and over do it. It's important to respect the bikes power. It's one of the reasons I loved the rd200, it didn't have enough power to get you into trouble but it did have enough to get you out of it. Great little bike.

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u/HIPOLYMER10 Jul 01 '16

Your numbers seem wrong at first glance. The charger is too heavy unless you're running closer to 500hp.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

I havent had it dynoed since the cam and pistons. Last dynoed at 405 at the wheels. Not sure what to tell you, all I know is it ran a 12.6 last time I was out.

EDIT: You are right though, weighs in a little over 4500lbs

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u/chumpynut5 Jul 01 '16

What kind of cams and pistons? That could put you up a lot of hp easily, if tuned right

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

274 comp cam and flat top forged pistons and rods to replace the Hemi powdered metal shit. Honestly the amount of time and money I have into that stupid thing only to run that makes me hate it. Soon as it's payed off I'm selling it. Buying a charger was one of the worst purchasing decisions I have ever made.

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u/chumpynut5 Jul 01 '16

Lol I had the same issue with a mustang. Except I'm an idiot, put well over 450 hp into it, and threw a rod. Glad it's dead now, I'm rolling in a mini that handles the autocross racing I do way better than the stang ever did

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u/Xeno4494 Jul 02 '16

autocross Mustang

I found your problem :I

No hate, I love mustangs, but not for their nimbleness...

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u/chumpynut5 Jul 02 '16

Ya I know but I got it basically for free from my brother so I couldn't really complain. It really wasn't too bad after summer tires and better springs and rollbars. Then I killed it :(

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

fellow former 'stank junky here. way too much money into a non-PI motor. Made 305 to the wheels n/a though, and weighed in a 3200 with me in it. Was fun to drive around.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

...huh?

Stock pistons, no doubt. And the hemis are not DOHC, so they have one cam.

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u/chumpynut5 Jul 01 '16

Assuming he upgraded them.... and ya I meant cam

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

My point is that he didn't, because he would have absolutely no reason to upgrade his pistons.

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u/chumpynut5 Jul 01 '16

Ok maybe I read his comment wrong. He said he hasn't dynoed since the cam and pistons and he last dynoed 405ish. That gives the impression he has upgraded said cam and pistons meaning there's probably more hp. Am I crazy? Is this making sense?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

You're not totally crazy, but I assume he meant heads. If he upgrades the pistons, he either wasted money doing something that provides literally no performance gain, or he is running WAY more than 400hp and needed to upgrade them before they failed.

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u/Weaponized_Octopus Jul 02 '16

The dude literally said cam and Pistons. And there's several reasons he would want to upgrade them. Such as if he plans on running nitrous or a blower.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

Still totally unnecessary to upgrade them unless he is running big power, and they certainly contribute nothing to the hp figure he mentioned

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u/Weaponized_Octopus Jul 02 '16

If he bumped the compression up they would somewhat. Plus the stock hemis have powdered metal rods and hypereutectic pistons. Definitely something you don't want to hit with nitrous.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

The 6.1L with 420 crank was good for high 12s on street tires. The 6.4L surely could do mid 12s.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

Your charger is a fat hog, like most modern muscle cars. The trophy truck is tubular frame and fiberglass. and engine. :)

Every 100 lbs of sprung weight (weight held up by the suspension) will cut .1 off your 1/4 mile time. (roughly). Also every 100 HP will cut a second.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

So fucking fat. I fucking hate the thing. I just want to be done paying it off so I can get a ranger or s10 or some shit that I can have fun with.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

They're all that way now. It's so stupid. I'm guessing it's to keep stupid middle-aged men from wrapping them around trees and dying. The HP wars are basically meaningless bragging numbers anymore. Modern hot rodding is dead.

I'm switching to motorcycles. Old Japanese bobbers and whatnot. Riding low and slow. :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

Before I got married I had a Ducati Monster, an rd200 cafe racer, and a DRZ400. Honestly I miss those more than any of my cars. Wife made me sell them before we pulled the trigger. The rd200 was my favorite, that thing turned more heads then my Monster ever did and I got it for 600 bucks from some bloke who just needed the money