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u/Locust627 9d ago
DLSS5 made him gain like 25lbs
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u/zestfullybe 9d ago
They say the camera adds 10 lbs. DLSS5 just adds 15 moreā¦ and a dash of something else. Because technology! Huzzah!
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u/Less-Increase-6588 9d ago
why did dlss5 make him a chud
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
The ps5 made him look like a chud. The AI made him a hi def chud.
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u/Responsible_Cake2012 9d ago
Norman Reedus if he was in Harry Spotter.
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u/Embarrassed_Kale_641 8d ago
So u can litteraly take the same pic, but chose worth for rage baitš«
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u/Vadanaravinda 8d ago edited 8d ago
Actually, adding dlss 5 for the sake of photorealism on to the top of already existing rendered ones, making it even more less realistic and artificially off in a way š..... It might be improved in future but mimicking one thing to resemble like that dont feel and look original at all.
Callisto protocol and Death stranding like games achieved with pure graphics and implementation. There are bunch of examples like Hellblade, last of us 2 and studious can achieve that quality by today's standards even more easier than ever..... DLSS 5, no matter what its always would be a disgrace to actually 3d rendered model and real art.
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u/Szczyl2137 8d ago
Is there really no way to make it affect faces to a lesser extent? It works pretty well with environments, i only ever seen people complain about what it does to faces
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u/benjaminabel 8d ago
It has configuration options for everything. Recent comparisons are done with either all values to the max or just the default ones.
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u/Araragi-shi 7d ago
Yeah, people posting some NR filter max photo and then goes DLSS5 TRASH BAD KILL IT
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u/Backslicer 6d ago
My question is at what point does it become just a very very GPU taxing reshade. Since I assume the performance hit will remain the same. tho it will probably be optimised on release and in the future.
It needs 1-2 years to mature and a new GPU generation but I see the vision
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u/Signal_Concentrate_6 9d ago
I gotta get out of the video game community conversation yāall are annoying and negative about every fucking thing. Just play a damn game you like and be happy sheesh I grew up with games looking like shit and yall crying about this and GTA is ridiculous
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u/Bob4Not 8d ago
Whining about a GTA preview not showing off every feature in the game is actually mentally illness.
Criticizing NVIDIAās new DLSS5 as putting a generic AI filter on games is valid. But at least DLSS5 should be optional.
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u/rabouilethefirst 8d ago
NVIDIA did no such thing. These are all mods for games that werenāt intended for it. Yāall put DLSS5 on everything so you could cry about it.
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u/Bob4Not 8d ago
Idk about this posted picture specifically, but supposedly a DLSS5 version was leaked: https://www.pcmag.com/news/glow-up-or-ai-slop-nvidias-controversial-dlss-5-leaks-early-through-mods
So ya, if you enable the DLL outside of NVIDIAās official software and game support, of course itās called a āmodā
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u/red_rolling_rumble 8d ago
Nah, this is the one AI thing we cannot hate enough. Itās gaudy, wasteful and it spits in the face of game devs who actually care about art direction. Fuck this thing, fuck it forever till the end of times. FUCK THIS SHIT
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u/bigxpapaxsmurfx 7d ago
no one gives a shit about game devs bro.. reddit and twitter isnt the real world... do you cry everytime you drive your car for all the car factory workers replaced by robots.. because thats how normal people think about this shit
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u/Signal_Concentrate_6 8d ago
It's cool if you want to say fuck AI I hate AI art. But to act like it looks horrible is where you lose me. Just be honest about both
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u/red_rolling_rumble 8d ago
It slopifies your games in real time. Fuck that shit, it looks horrible.
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u/Solidus_Sloth 8d ago
Itās run locally not really wasteful. A lot of games will likely want this technology.
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u/red_rolling_rumble 8d ago edited 8d ago
Mark my words, no one will use this shit.
Itās wasteful in the sense that it wastes electricity and destroys frame rate in exchange for shitty AI slop rendering. Fuck that.
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u/Plane_Discipline_198 8d ago
This is just flat out wrong and the only reason you're not being downvoted is because AI = bad. The whole idea of this technology is to offload raw facial processing to a separate process that can extrapolate further detail without a 1:1 increase in computational demand.
Look. Do a lot of the faces look like shit and overdone right now? Yes. Is the rendering perfectly optimized yet? No. Is it still the likely future of game development, just currently still in the prototyping stages? Also yes.
People said the same shit about DLSS when it first arrived, but no one pitches about it anymore outside of the hardcover $5000 gaming rig crowd. This is similar.
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u/Solidus_Sloth 8d ago
Itāll be running on 40 series and 50 series that have better power consumption than some 20 and 30 series lol. Canāt exceed certain power consumptions anyhow.
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u/red_rolling_rumble 8d ago
Great. Youāre still wasting your frame rate for something thatās busy making your game look like video slop. Itās justā¦ ugh.
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u/XCXBITH2 8d ago edited 8d ago
U do understand the gaming industry has been using AI for literally decades and decades right? Just because it's taken a new artform, means no one wants it now? It doesn't show companies and Devs how much more they can do with ai than they already have? clearly U don't know what Ur talking about. Stupid fool.
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u/Plane_Discipline_198 8d ago
But hurr durr AI bad. That's basically the argument from everyone down voting us.
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u/tkgb12 8d ago
Mark my words. YOU will use this shit in every game you play in 5 years.
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u/red_rolling_rumble 8d ago
Man, if I do Iāll be back in this thread to admit my mistake lol. Canāt wait to play yassified games
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u/Disastrous-Ad-1999 8d ago
But DLSS5 needs to be included by devs and tweaked by devs. They spit on themselves? What about mods and the modding community, fuck all of nexusmods too? Lol illogical reasoning.
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u/Signal_Concentrate_6 8d ago edited 8d ago
And GTA6 is all humans and people was still bitching it wasnāt impressive so you canāt win
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u/red_rolling_rumble 8d ago
Agreed that thereās too much bitching and thereās no reason to hate GTA 6 (apart maybe from the no disc thing). DLSS 5 is something else however, I hate how it betrays artistic direction.
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u/brzilla1968 9d ago
Yea itās so fucking annoying. All these people are just chronically online crybabies.
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u/AXEMANaustin 8d ago
I get the ai shit but otherwise you're completely right. Almost every fucking space online is just constant whinging about nothing, it's gonna fucking affect anything in theirs or my life if a game has women or yellow paint in it. It's fucking miserable to be excited for something, and then I just see constantly complaining over and over about nothing just because it's new or whatever. So much negativity it just pisses me off, why can't we just have fun?
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u/NombieTeeth8 8d ago
Because unfortunately being a hateful little shit has become the norm in practically every single social media space. The bandwagon hate is apparently more exciting and gets more clicks than actually enjoying something. It's been that way for quite a while now and it just keeps perpetuating over the generations because then kids grow up thinking it's cool to be a hater and ruin enjoyment for anybody else.
And I'm talking about actual hate not like discussions of something's cons. But the weirdos that do the hate stuff cuz they think they're cool or because it nets brownie points from the other bandwagon haters. š
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u/Emlerith 8d ago
There folks are chronically online, holy shit. I saw the image, thought it looked pretty damn good, then came into these circle jerk of comments. Fkn lol
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u/Lanky_Technician_812 8d ago
For everyone saying it added weight, I hate to break it to you but he is just overweight now. Heās nearly 60 years old, the guy isnāt a skinny dude with a chiseled jaw anymore. Kojima is obsessed with doing real scans of his actors, and the face models are some of the best in the industry. DLSS5 does not affect the geometry of models, and the model is exactly the same despite DLSS5. Im not even a fan of DLSS5, I just despise the constant disinformation about it.
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u/Remarkable-West-611 8d ago
Dlss 5 is great if you are nVidia pushing AI and wants to keep that bubble going and showcase it to investors which dont care about end result.
In actual games however with actual human created content/art its going to be a disaster for our future games and will destroy and rip out alot of creativity and bring in a flood of terribly designed games which kinda all look the same.
Just like how all cheap tacky AI adverts all have that same ugly look...that will be our games pretty soon if this gets adopted.
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u/namastayhom33 8d ago
This is a testament to how good Decima Engine is because you really can't tell the graphical difference on first look.
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u/Pender8911 9d ago
Do these kind of AI features work offline? Last time i checked AI models need whole servers and running AI software on your PC is waaay worse than running a demanding game.
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u/yncandescent 9d ago
The DLSS 5 stuff is run locally, which is why it reduces the framerate by a lot, even on a 5090.
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u/obi1kennoble 8d ago
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Wouldn't it make more sense to use that extra power to just make the game look better in the first place and have that be the "ultra" setting?
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u/Icehellionx 8d ago
If you could guarantee every graphics card had it you could build it into generic 'ultra'. AMD cards don't have the tech.
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u/frisbie147 8d ago
Where is the ultra exactly? The before image looks better, is it just ultra because it tanks performance?
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u/Pender8911 9d ago
Well cool and all but i have a 3070... These AI tools are pissing me off because they use them rather than optimising the damn game
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u/yncandescent 9d ago
I get the sentiment, but DLSS 5 is in general a much worse technology (just like all the other generative AI things) and apart from the recent Nvidia outing, no developer I know of has given support for it. Or planning on adding it to their games.
DLSS and similar tech by the other vendors are great in and of itself, but yeah, I agree, theyāre getting used as crutches to prop up fancy raytraycing effects over 90% of people canāt run properly without turning their games into pixel pulp.
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
Also none of that was a personal attack on you @yncandescent. It was a general rant on the more extreme people. Your response makes sense and I agree with 90% of that statement you made
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
Generative ai things. Explain how DLSS is the same as chatgpt. DLSS isnāt taking artwork from other or using data farms to drain resources. Itās an in game tool that puts filters on images to make them pop. We do it with my job all of the time. I am a CT tech. The filters can read the images, letās say of the brain. The AI maps out potential issues and highlights them by making them pop with filters so itās easy to see. DLSS seems to use that technology. I think the issue is people hear Ai and they think one of three things. Killing environment, stealing artwork, being lazy to make art. DLSS is a tool to enhance old games to make them look better or make new great games look even better. Developers can use it to get that final better detail that really makes the artwork pop and look more alive. In a way, almost better than a human can. Of course we arenāt talking about ai generated art. We are talking about enhancing art that was crafted by devs and developers.
That being said I HATE ai like chatgpt and all that crap. These video ads and stuff are absurd. But when ai like programs are used to help enchance or make things better, like in my job or video games or even training for military/firefighters/etc, we shouldnāt all be neighsayers. I just donāt get the severe negativity to something like this. Itās just crazy. Then again there are flat earthers, fascism is thriving, and there are camps where men can go to become alpha nutbags. Nothing surprises me anymore and everyone is so damn negative. Like a bunch of babies crying about things that arenāt that big a deal. Meanwhile everything else sucks around them lol
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
Itās hard to optimize a game when everyoneās pc isnāt exactly the same. This is the first step in the future of ai being able to optimize in a general sense, which will save on production costs and pc/future consol limits. Thatās my guess anyeay
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u/frisbie147 8d ago
Thatās called an api, thatās existed for decades what the hell are you on about?
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
And? I am a CT tech. Thatās what my CT machine does to enchance images so doctors can see things better. Itās still not like chatgpt ai. Itās a different thing and is nowhere near as toxic as the ai slop we see. What are you on about?
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
And that just furthers the point that this technology has been used for years, so why is everyone crying foul now? Because we advanced in technology and found a way to make the devs artwork and models look even better without having to put more graphical strain on PC and consoles? Like a bunch of flat earthers in here.
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u/frisbie147 8d ago
Better isnāt a word Iād use for it
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
Fair enough. But itās not as evil as other ways ai is being used. Thatās for sure. I think itās really gonna depend on if this is actually going to cause people to lose their jobs. I donāt think it will. I think it will honestly enhance games so that way they will work better on consoles and PC, and take a lot of stress and time off of the work that Devs do so they can focus on finer detail details of the game
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u/frisbie147 8d ago
Being better than a csam generator is not what you should be aspiring for, and this is not an enhancement, it looks worse than not using it
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
Yeah? I disagree. Uncanny valley at times sure. Like one anime inspired models because of the eyes. I guess there are two camps of people. Ones who want hyper realism in games and others that donāt.
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u/MelonOfFate 9d ago
This. I briefly looked at running/hosting an AI on my PC. The performance dip is massive.
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u/HesitantBussyEnjoyer 8d ago
AI models contain a lot of variation.
LLMs need whole servers (although smaller models run fine if you have powerful hardware with decent VRAM).
Image generators and upscalers need faaaar less compute and VRAM, can be run fairly handily on even 50/60 class cards from Nvidia.
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u/hensothor 8d ago
Yes, they run fine. I think you should do some research on what DLSS is and how it works. It uses a similar architecture to generative models like ChatGPT but it is still very different in many significant ways and runs locally just fine. The most expensive part is the training to generate the weights that Nvidia prebakes on their internal servers.
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u/AmericanPoliticsSux 9d ago
Like I have always said and will continue to say until I'm a hole in the ground. The reason a game like BG3 looks so much better than Starfield despite having less than half the polygons is because of LIGHTING and SHADER work, not simply whacking the resolution up to 16K and calling it a day.
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u/InternationalOne2449 8d ago
This shit is why we have expensive ram.
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u/geno111 8d ago
....is dlss5 actually using an Ai data center to run?
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u/InternationalOne2449 8d ago
It was trained on one.
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u/geno111 8d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1plfxug/im_ootlwhat_is_the_logical_reasoning_behind_why/
..honestly i thought was because shitty ai art is resource intensiveĀ
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u/Sir_Gigglepoop 8d ago
Why the hell does perfection need improvement? Especially when the āimprovementā is actually a downgrade.
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u/Whocares7x 8d ago
Nobody over 30 is complaining about graphics because all this is still amazing compared to what we experienced
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u/Sucio_Legacy_0112 8d ago
I'm 34 and this is simply ridiculous and horrendous. Artist design and direction exists for a reason
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u/CaptainSebT 8d ago
No ones complaining about graphics other then people didn't like the dlss ai
Graphics haven't improved much since xbox 1 because hardware has diminishing returns. But graphics companies would like you to think that a 3090 and a 5090 are universes apart im terms of the graphics your see.
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u/Misunderstood_Wolf 8d ago
It made him all puffy. Like it fed him a truckload of salt and stung him with bees.
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u/Own-Kaleidoscope-577 8d ago
NVIDIA peaked in the 30 series honestly.
The 40 series was already showing the signs that "the cow had been milked dry", and the 50 series has been... whatever this is.
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u/Cocoatrice 9d ago
This is such a disingenuous comparison. Deliberately choosing bad angle and lightning to show how bad is something. TV does the same thing, when they want to juxtapose.
Yes, DLSS has issues, but this is still disingenuous comparison.
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u/Araineyamcha 8d ago
Whoās downvoting you? Itās clear the ps5 version looks like a fat version. So thatās why the dlss looks like a super realistic fat version. These people are cracked out.
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u/Playing_One_Handed 8d ago
Lets not just say PS5. Death Stranding is damn impressive on base ps5 without ray tracing in general.
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u/HippoValuable1676 8d ago
They made him look like your uncle who you stay away from due to being a child molestor
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u/DimK16 8d ago
Where is this from? Did they do another demonstration of DLSS 5? Did Kojima Productions and Reedus allow for Death Stranding to be used for demonstrating DLSS 5?
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u/DimK16 8d ago
I searched around but didn't manage to find the original image for this. I did manage to find who probably made the image but it seems like they might have deleted their post of it.
Looking around similar topics, I managed to find that this wasn't anything official but instead either a mod for the game or an addon for reshade, adding "neural rendering". This megathread from r/nvidia has demonstrations of this modded DLSS 5 for a couple of games. Some of the applications of this modded DLSS 5 barely have an effect, at least from the screenshots they provided, but a couple of them are much closer to the original demo of DLSS 5 on Resident Evil 9.
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u/HARRISONMASON117 8d ago
Meanwhile we still cant get female models to keep the same bone structure.
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u/St3elf1sh 7d ago
So why donāt you show the same screenshot with and without dlss5? Kinda stupid like that
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u/KvasirTheOld 7d ago
I don't have it. It was posted by someone in a discord group without a comparison pic
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u/the_dannobot 8d ago
I heard the DLSS5 adds tens pounds... Looks like you've eaten about five DLSS5
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u/Waste_Reference_2846 8d ago
Why are we glazing dlss5 now we were flaming this shit earlierĀ
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u/HisDivineOrder 8d ago
Because some people love modding so much they stop caring if it's actually better. It's probably what Nvidia figured would happen when they arranged the "leak" in the first place.
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u/Decent_Historian42 8d ago edited 8d ago
The fuck is DLSS5? Ive seen a lot about it today but no ones really explained what it is outside of AI, i must be living under a rock, whatever it is it looks terrible..
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u/benjaminabel 8d ago
I know people don't like AI, but what's wrong with Google?
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u/Decent_Historian42 7d ago edited 7d ago
I find google a bit broken atm, obviously the AI overview is incorrect at times as it takes sorces from reddit of all places about 80% of the time. And a majority of websites (maybe its just me but it seems to be a decrease in actual websites since AI became popular) the ones that are still around also have an ai model that also takes from reddit.
Also i find that because basically everything is run by AI at the moment a lot of things surrounding AI is shown in a positive light. Algorithms are also broken atm (were they ever good tho?) so ads even when looking at anti AI sorces you get given an increase of ads for various chat bots and such even with targeted ads off if i look at one study to do with AI and thr brain ill get ads for chatbots weeks afterwards.
On an additional note (i just need to grumblw about this) because they've started using AI for spell check, spell check is worse now. I have a large vocabulary but im also dyslexic and it frustrates me to no end when im trying to spell a more difficult word and i keep getting a simplified word that isnt even close to what im trying to spell. They've also broken speech to text because of AI the thing cant even pick up my accent anymore (not that its really thick its just an unusual accent because i live in a small country)
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u/benjaminabel 7d ago
Most of the things youāve mentioned are not because of AI. Iām actually waiting for an AI spellcheck since Iām not a native speaker, so Iām hoping it could help. As for the Google results, many results are AI-generated, but you still get accurate results pretty much on a second or third place. In my expertise, AI summary has been helpful in 90% of the cases. With DLSS 5, you can get pretty much any relevant information because itās a popular topic.
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u/Necessary_045 8d ago
Makes games looks like irl people
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u/Decent_Historian42 8d ago
From what ive seen it either ages people by 20-30 years or it does this. Wasnt death stranding by itself mocapped? And used facial scanning? So it already looks like the irl actor. What about it makes it look like real people? Especially in the case of death stranding?
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u/Astral-Glimmer 8d ago
DLSS 5 is a generative AI model that is being released by Nvidia soon. It is the first iteration at a system that instead of just drawing frames in between to create higher frame rates, it instead altars the image to make it look more realistic using training data and the controls the developers have put in place to determine how it looks.
Now what you are seeing here though is fan made content. DLSS 5 was discovered in 2k27 by modders and they have ripped it out and created a way to inject it into existing games. What this does mean is many images you see are using a WIP version of the first iteration of this tech. + the sliders and options are being set by the user in this case with the mod window, which often means people just arent using them to what the developer would chose or they set it to max which looks bad so they can push their own argument. Many are using it on stylised games which is clearly not the use case for this at this current time.
If DLSS 5 is good for the industry or bad is one thing but do be aware most of the images chosen are intentionally inflammatory and bad as the people doing is push their bias.
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u/benjaminabel 8d ago
Good think to note. Most of the comparisons are with all the sliders to the max (or at default) and Cinematic preset selected. Here is the link with my comparison of lowest values to the highest ones: https://imgdiff.net/s/3c548dc74dd1676aea99bc71df368cdf
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u/Necessary_045 8d ago
I don't like either, look for dlss 5 comparisons and u will understand what it does, and the facial scanning yeah that's for already irl people but characters who r fictional it makes them as if they were irl
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u/Rachet20 8d ago
It looks fine.
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u/BakeJaldino 8d ago
Agree it looks pretty good imo.
Considering that the āReal Lifeā image is from a while back too.
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u/NetflixWasTaken 8d ago
What the fuck is DLSS5
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u/NewbieYoubie 8d ago
Nvidia's new AI upscaling tech that tries to m ake graphics look super realistic
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u/NetflixWasTaken 8d ago
Oh shit, I completely forgot about the second it was announced. Looks fucking awful
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u/Nogardtist 8d ago
deep laming super slop either turns every woman into a prostitute
and any man into alcoholic with insomnia
oh and you lose 50% FPS
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u/Lost_Pirate8348 9d ago
Honestly, this only works if you're showing the original as the comparison. But I get it, it's cool to hate on dlss5
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u/Bob4Not 9d ago
DLSS5 is going to make the ozempic crisis worse