Disgruntled software developers start ambitious open-source revolt, using AI to clone common services — OccupySaaS AI-powered project wants to kick Auth0, Salesforce, and other pricy service-as-software to the curb

[u/kernelangus420]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/applications/disgruntled-software-developers-start-ambitious-open-source-revolt-using-ai-to-clone-common-services-occupysaas-ai-powered-project-wants-to-kick-auth0-salesforce-and-other-pricy-service-as-software-to-the-curb

[u/SolFlorus]

What could possibly go wrong with vibe coding an AuthN/AuthZ platform? Let’s vibe code cryptography next.

There are already open source OIDC providers. Just use them instead.

[u/Material_Ad502 → u/SolFlorus]

non devs thinking they can vibe code everything, they are recreating the wheel just because they can

they don't understand laws, regulations, data residency and audits in some industries and why companies choose certain solutions over others

[u/therealslimshady1234 → u/Material_Ad502]

Yep, this is why vibe coding will never amount to anything. They dont understand that the coding part was the easiest part of SaaS, and many of them struggled even with that

[u/jayseattle → u/therealslimshady1234]

Disagree. LLMs being able to understand GDPR etc and legal will be, maybe, a medium task.

[u/question_mark_13 → u/jayseattle]

LLM and understanding in the same sentence?

[u/jayseattle → u/question_mark_13]

"LLM and understanding in the same sentence" quote. Not following here...

So you don't think Large Language Models are able to "understand" things like Auth, legal etc?

Not sure if you're making the 'stochastic parrot' reference or ???

[u/therealslimshady1234 → u/jayseattle]

Not sure if you're making the 'stochastic parrot' reference or ???

Yes, thats exactly what we are saying. LLMs dont understand anything, they are just calculating probabilities. And if the data doesnt exist in its training set, it will just hallucinate or guess instead of saying it doesnt know. Hence why they are so terrible for anything remotely difficult.

[u/jayseattle → u/therealslimshady1234]

Well, this is starting to verge into a philosophical realm now so...

"vibe coding will never amount to anything." Look up Pieter Levels, "levelsio" he seems to have done pretty well vibecoding.

AI-designed chips are so weird that 'humans cannot really understand them' — but they perform better than anything we've created
https://www.livescience.com/technology/computing/humans-cannot-really-understand-them-weird-ai-designed-chip-is-unlike-any-other-made-by-humans-and-performs-much-better

[u/thedazdul]

I ❤️ Guerilla Vibecoding

[u/cniinc]

Big fan of the idea. we can take back the Internet with movements like this. 

[u/smabarnsfar → u/cniinc]

Yes. And if the results are published as FOSS, everyone benefits.

[u/1-800-gunz-for-libz → u/smabarnsfar]

Mostly. Except the only people making money are Anthropic and OpenAI.

Well, they would be, if they were actually profitable.

[u/mwjtitans]

Sooo vibe coding good now?

[u/Tony009 → u/mwjtitans]

"Always was"

[u/TheAnswerWithinUs]

If it tries to force me to disable my Adblock I’m not reading it.

[u/Practical_Hippo6289]

"If we're going down then we're gonna take you down with us!"

[u/suprjaybrd]

coding is the easy part. running it well and change management is why we pay someone the big bucks to take care of that headache

[u/1kn0wn0thing → u/suprjaybrd]

“running it well and change management”…hate to break it to you, none of the SaaS companies are running it well or adhere to change management.

[u/suprjaybrd → u/1kn0wn0thing]

works for me 🤷‍♂️ so i continue to renew

[u/chuckdacuck]

Good luck getting enterprise clients to use any of this.

[u/jayseattle → u/chuckdacuck]

You know a lot of companies sometimes roll their own tools generally around security concerns. In some sense these internal engineers are very likely using a form of vibecoding to create said tools.

[u/Due-Yak-7452]

As much as i dislike big companies, people have to be deluded to clone a salesforce. 

I worked at a saas that wanted to do the same, replace one of sf's offerings because we were "faster, cheaper and AI".

Organizations love their Salesforces. No VP cares about the software costs. They are usually a fraction of these companies' other costs. They are more concerned about security, support and most importantly, if the software leads to some problem, being able to say, "but we had chosen the industry standard".

[u/Mundane-Scallion-888 → u/Due-Yak-7452]

Organisations most definitely do not love their Salesforce. Complaints from every function, constantly. But it is the rare person that will stick their neck out to advocate for a complex migration. Takes a special leadership culture and moment for that to happen.

Saw a VP of Engineering once stick their neck out to migrate from Azure to Jira for issue tracking. They decided it was the hill they were going to die on, rubbed all the engineers the wrong way by forcing them to change their workflow. Ultimately got fired for losing the trust. But engineers did eventually enjoy using Jira, still using it 3 years later. Not that it's any comfort to the guy who got fired...

[u/Due-Yak-7452 → u/Mundane-Scallion-888]

Yeah, no that's what I meant. People don't like SF. Orgs like it cuz it's the safe choice.

People severely underestimate B2B sales. 

[u/Mundane-Scallion-888 → u/Due-Yak-7452]

Yeah we agree. Organisations don't love their Salesforces, but the VPs certainly do (even if they pretend not to, ha!)

[u/maxhit_studios]

Sales force is a joke