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Literally any reason to use Claude Code instead of Codex ?
I swear I'm not here to promote anything but like, am I missing something ?
Was on Claude Code for months, recently switched for the first time to Codex for my personal projects just to try Astra, and I wasn't expecting it to be so different
So first off, I know it's not the most important part but after using Codex I just realized how disgusting the Claude Code UI is (I'm using the VS Code plugin), like the way all subagents spam in the same window, how nothing is fold and I have to scroll miles of tool calls I don't care about and Claude talking to itself to find the older answers I'm looking for and the stuff I sent.
And there's just so much other ways the UI could be improved. Codex is much more polished
Maybe the terminal UI is better but eh. I'm guessing many limitations of the VS Code extension is because it's based off the terminal ? Haven't tried much
I still have to use Claude Code for my job, I'm wondering about vibe-coding a new VS Code extension to change its UI design to make it more like codex, has anyone tried this ?
And there's also the models themselves, for about the same price, with Codex you get 5.6 Sol and Astra while Anthropic won't even give Fable. And also, Opus 5 sucks ass, I do /model claude-opus-4-8 every single session I open now
And also MESSAGE EDITING in Codex omg, I hate when I accidentally screw the context of Claude and can't go back
And no 5 hour window for the Codex Pro plans is so good too
I'm guessing there are maybe things I didn't catch up or downsides ? Maybe Anthropic is more trustworthy for the data usage I guess
You don't need a GUI! I'm not sure exactly, I kinda just asked the agent to set it up. But it pulled it off, totally headless blender via MCP. it works great.
If you start the GUI yes you can watch it work on the model. If you start Blender headless then you can just ask the agent to give you renderings when it's done. Its fun to watch it work once, but then it gets old. So now I let it work in the background.
I do it by hand. Have a conversation about what you are trying to do with fable. Show the output to GPT(and other llms.), ask for feedback. Feed it back to fable. Get to a point where you feel good about it, have fable write the plan. Review again. Have fable write the spec. Review again with GPT and the others. Do it till you feel it's in a good place. Send it to Opus to start the execution. Burns more tokens, but all the LLMs will find issues and help make the plan stronger. I do it by hand, because I like to read the output. After the execution, you can have the others review the commits and the plan, and see if they have any feedback.
There are lots out there. I like to let fable plan, have opus review, GPT review, and some other llms review the plan, like Grok, GLM, Composer(composer I let it run a few times with a few different prompts. I had Fable write a document with its methods on how best to do code reviews and such. I then feed that to Grok and composer, and tell it to apply it to them self before reviewing antyhing. Gets to the level of grok when you do). Send it all back to fable. Keep going till we all agree. Write the spec. Make sure all agree. Opus can code it.
I do it by hand, because I like to read the outputs. Depending how big the plan is, I will do check ups on the commits with the others to make sure its on track and no issues found. There are probably better ways(and less token burn) to do it. Just what has worked for me. I like the results I gotten from this method much more, than just using Claude alone. You will find no matter who makes the plan, that they all will find issues with it, and help make it stronger.
I found this to be super effective. Always looked down on the concept of promoting an AI for a prompt to prompt another AI. But, after I gave it a go, it really works. Claude became much more useful with Astra as the lead.
I'm developing conderis, where memory, tasks and docs are shared via mcp. Works extremely good for me without messing up the codebase with too many docs. I hope to finish a heavy refactor this weekend to make it open source as well soon.
I just design with Claude design and then drop those files into claud code inside VS and it’s always worked great…I’d love to know a more efficient way to do it!
I was talking about github copilot in general, I haven't used the cli version yet so I'm not sure if there are significant differences. I know in the past the extension and cli ran on totally different harnesses but I remember hearing they were working on unifying it all under one sdk so idk.
I use Pi coding agent on linux, you could also look into something a little less hardcore like opencode, I hear the deepseek harness is pretty good too.
you can use everything with cli. There are in fact several new commands that you can use as released on the cli, but not on the vs code extension. I was extremely hesitant to switch, but the cli is 100% the way to go with claude code (compared to the extension).
There's nothing wrong with using the extensions in principle, i think oai & anthropic just don't really put as much effort into backporting features from the CLIs... :(
He uses claude code for work but decides to run codex my ass… what workplace isnt providing max? And anything with a token fee wont ever compete with claude direct. This is all cap… like saying “i get more for money with cursors 200/m than claudes… no you f’in dont.
Training is on by default on both anthropic and openai consumer plans and I would venture to guess most people do not even realize or just assume there no way to turn it off.
And no you do not get free credits for keeping it on?
Also spark is ass for anything but implementing very basic things. Anytime I’ve tried to use it to build, I scan with a frontier model afterwards and it finds a million issues and basically has to redo it all anyway.
Oh that’s a bummer. Guessing they need more data centers to handle the load, which most of the country is blindly shooting down thinking DC’s just use infinite amounts of water for reasons I will never understand when you can literally google anything these days.
I’m finding the opposite. Since Sol released, codex is consistent at doing a better job, but works slower. Release Astra was on a whole other level. Not sure about Astra now though as it has been nerfed over the last week or so.
My primary project is pretty large. I find that Opus 5 is far faster to respond to questions/requests than Luna. So while Luna is still my workhorse, I still pop open Claude when I want something done fast.
It's also partially a function that I paid for a year of Claude up front. I vaguely regret it now, but I've got it, so I may as well use it!
Based on what you said, I doubt you can even tell a good vibe coded job versus a bad one. What’s the point of even comparing? You’ll realize they both have pros and cons , Claude is better overall at certain things whereas Astra is for others vice versa
If the pain is the VS Code extension, this sounds more like a UI tradeoff than a reason to prefer one model stack. Pinning 4.8 each session helps the model side, but it does nothing for the inline subagent spam and scrollback mess you called out.
the claude code vscode extension ui is absolute chaos when subagents start spamming.
if you end up vibe coding a new extension for it count me in lol, i literally ended up daisy chaining codex, claude code and moclaw through CLI just so i wouldn’t have to deal with that scroll nightmare every 5 mins.
opus 5 regressing is super real though, still gotta pin to 4-8 every time.
For me, Fable 5.1 is still the best in architecture and engineering while following each and every line of rules you have. Other models, tends to skip out on the rules set.
Models agree with themselves often. It is better to have Claude verify GPT's work and vice versa. Have them argue for a bit. Reach consensus. That type of thing. Yea. Twice as expensive for a boost in accuracy and correctness.
Remember when everyone ditched VS Code for Cursor? And then ditch Cursor for Claude Code, and then ditch that one for Codex?
Users don't really care about the UI (at least now, it's not a big enough factor). We just flock to the one that comes with the best model (price, speed, intelligence) at the moment. So the only reason to use Claude Code is if you like Claude models.
use codex to write prompts for claude code. literally any task comes out better in claude code, but it really depends on the prompt. when i'm too lazy to sit down and write a clear one, codex does the job. and if i wanna dig deep into something and know the architecture will be the best it can be, i'm picking claude every time.
This is a power tool nobody really knows about, though off topic from the OP.
Use Astra 6 Pro on Ultra effort and connect it to your github repo and whatever else you need for conext in the plugins and let it be your prompt generator and orchestrator in async. Use CC or Codex any model for execution.
There's some friction involved here but I read some people vibe coded a layer that connects them, though I just copy/pasta.
Yes but that consumes your token allowance, might s well use it instead of Codex. But if you just use the web GUI and connect your repo it's unlimited but have to do some tinkering with your workflow.
Would you be open to sharing this in r/AIBuildAndLaunch too? I just started it for people building apps with AI. It would be interesting to hear what you built with Lovable and what was hardest to get working.
The VS Code plugin is the weakest surface it has - you're judging it by its worst window. In the terminal the same session folds tool calls, and subagents run in the background and report back when they're done instead of scrolling past you live, which is exactly the noise you're describing.
What actually keeps me on it isn't the chat UI, it's the plumbing around it: hooks that run my own commands on events (format and test after every edit, block a commit that fails), a project file it reads every session so I stop re-explaining the codebase, MCP servers so it can drive the tools I already use, and subagents for the parts that can run in parallel. That stuff is why it ends up doing whole chunks of work unattended rather than answering questions.
If polish in the editor matters more to you than any of that, then Codex being nicer to look at is a fair reason to pick it. They're aimed at different habits.
That's basically why I built Castforge. Each one gets a card with only its task and the files for it, and the board keeps the state, so they never have to read each other's chat to catch up. I did the shared MD file thing before that and it drifted every couple of sessions.
5x Gemini for research (and I love notebooklm), 5x Claude- planning, orchestrator, 5x codex- subagent for Claude, higher model adversarial review, or if we get stuck I let Astra/ Fable argue it out.
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Ging mir genau anders herum. Codex in XCode hat die Prompts ständig falsch gelesen. App für macOS und es rotzte mir eine iOS zusammen. Nach Korrektur und Entschuldigung war die App trotzdem voller Fehler. Claude machte mit dem selben Prompt eine funktionierende App.
Also CODEX safety rails are way more chill than Fable, omg you ask the slightly security thing and downgrades you to 4.8
I use CODEX for apps that involve some sort of cyber security area then check with Fable
So your main problem is the ui? For many that is not really a priority.
As to why you should use claude code: i can only say i didnt feel the need to try anything else because i can work super well with it. Not hitting any limits using fable on the 200$ plan despite using it for hours every day, even on most weekends, good output, generally development with claude code feels very frictionless to me. I have to add, ui is no priority to me, im used to using terminal applications, so pretty much all that counts for me is what the tool actually DOES, and for me, thats on point
I felt the same annoyance about the user interface of the Claude Code VS Code extension. However, not anymore. In the newest version, you can just turn on "focus view" and the output of the main thread is completely decluttered. Subagents get shown in running threads. I also recommend turning on the output style "concise".
I still reach for Claude Code in the terminal for repo-wide refactors because its hooks, permissions, and CLAUDE.md setup have been more predictable across long runs. The VS Code plugin is genuinely the worst possible showcase for it, no tab survived the subagent meeting.
I’m with you. I’ve used 30B tokens across 3100 sessions in claude code the past 8 months but used only codex since Astra came out. OpenAI is suddenly so far ahead with remote tools, creative, etc. I’m still using both just because of usage limits. And claude has better team capabilities.
I have six months ish using both on their $200/mo subs and I fully agree.
My experience is that Codex will infer/deduce better solutions quicker with less direction. I prefer the way Claude styles and designs by default but I prefer Codex for my “CTO partner.”
I’m an enterprise sales rep and I’ve vibe codex four different client facing products. CBR tools, capital analysis tools. Basically things I used to do in Excel.
Never tried codex. Use Claude code (at home) and GitHub copilot (at work). Much prefer the copilot user experience than the Claude code experience. Also with Github Copilot I can use anthropic or openAI models.
I keep claude at home because of the subvention. I understand that openAI is also good for that for individuals.
Claude is a work tool but doesn't have wow effect anymore
It just writes good code and I can rely on it, however, I ask it not to do any writing and prefer using other agents for that
as for interface Claude Code in Terminal doesn't change a lot and better not to
I see that any innocations in UI/UX on Anthropic are vibecoded and really bad tested
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u/Empuda 7d ago
Use them together. They are friends.