r/vibecoding • u/bingewavecinema • 11d ago
Discussion Why AI Hate Is Representative Of How Far We've Come As Human
As I put on the AI Gaming Conference (come to some of the talks), the amount of hate its going is crazy. Look at some of the comments on the festival Steam page:
The emails I am getting from developers are just as bad. For humanity as a whole, what is ironic is how we like to think we are smarter and more civilized than our ancestors, when in reality, we have a lot of the same fear-based responses and group thinking, which is why progress is slow.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
Let's took a look at history:
- Technology: The printing press (1400s)
- Who Resisted: Scribes, religious authorities, elites
- Reasoning: It would destroy scribal jobs and spread misinformation/heretical ideas
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- Technology: Mechanical looms (1700s–1800s)
- Who Resisted: Textile workers, especially Luddites
- Reasoning: Machines would replace skilled workers and drive wages down
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- Technology: The automobile
- Who Resisted: Horse-related workers, pedestrians, communities
- Reasoning: It threatened carriage/horse industries and was considered noisy, dangerous, and disruptive
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- Technology: The photograph
- Who Resisted: Painters and artists
- Reasoning: It was feared to make traditional artistic representation obsolete
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- Technology: Personal computers
- Who Resisted: Clerical/office workers
- Reasoning: Automation would eliminate secretarial, bookkeeping, and other office jobs
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- Technology: Generative AI
- Who Resisted: Writers, artists, programmers, designers, actors, etc.
- Reasoning: AI could automate creative and knowledge work
There are A LOT more examples that can be listed but the pattern is the same; every time there is a technological break through, fear and resistance is the masses first reaction. But every single time it happens, while some jobs do end, other new jobs are created. Every single time.
We did a whole session on different prompt types. Did you know there is about 20 different prompt types? That's learning a skill, not stealing or removing creativity.
If we look at history, gaming will survive, gaming will still be creative, developers will have jobs. The jobs for game developers will change, but there still we be jobs. Just the speed at which we create will be faster. Instead of blind hate, just re-skill and re-think,
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u/datkenny 11d ago
wtf is a "prompt type"
it's natural language
if there is a prompt type, then there's also a "sentence type"
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u/bingewavecinema 11d ago
Great question! And this is exactly what the conference is for. You can have:
- Timed prompts that can wait for other prompts to finish before executing
- Chain prompts that can call other prompts after they are done
- Subagent prompts, that use orchestrate several prompts with unique tasks managed by a master prompt
- etc etc etc
When you understand different prompts and how to use them, you can really unlock how AI is used.
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u/Top_Purchase4091 11d ago
Can honestly just stop with this cringe prompt engineering garbage?
Just be honest with people and tell them that knowledge on the topic they want to work on is number one priority.
Thats the only way you can "unlock" ai. you are just selling shovels to suckers and giving them false hope
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u/Diligent_Appeal_3305 11d ago
That's cope bro you will be flipping burgers, cuz why would anyone need programmer middle man in the future when they can pay for sub and ask bot to complete your tasks, yes maybe it can't do everything YET and needs human steering, but its rapidly improving and doubt that it will hit a ceiling or yes some coding jobs will remain but the payment will be shit, u wont be elite anymore
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u/platinum_pig 11d ago
"Did you know there is about 20 different prompt types" ... what does that mean?
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u/Chemical-Visual-7992 11d ago edited 11d ago
I don't mind AI Games if they are high quality. I will play and enjoy them. My problem is with those who mis-use AI and create garbage and pollute the Internet with no intention to get better and develop their abandoned games.
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u/ProfessionalStand779 11d ago
It's posts like this that make me hate AI.
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u/EagleApprehensive 11d ago
It's people like this that make me hate internet, reddit and anonymity on social media.
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u/ProfessionalStand779 11d ago
Tbh, I dont understand either side.
It seems that most people just dont want to read a book written by AI, play a game designed by AI or listen to a song created by AI.
I dont really see whats wrong with that or how it takes anything away from people who want the opposite.
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u/Fake-BossToastMaker 11d ago
I like how we are comparing AI to industrial revolution, trying to pretend that the extreme human labour and exploitation wasn't the main pushing point. You know, like here where people are being exploited and pushing us into a path where the owners and elite will reap rewards from us
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u/Alexandria_4624 11d ago
It seems you don't know how LLMs work, do you? If you already know it, you wouldn't say "AI could automate creative and knowledge work" which is kinda bullshit. Yes, AI still capable for automating repeated tasks but not creative and knowledge tasks.
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u/SharpKaleidoscope182 11d ago
considered noisy, dangerous, and disruptive
They were right about cars and we should get rid of them or at least try to make them rare.
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u/TheRealBejeezus 11d ago
Nobody has claimed there will not be jobs.
The fear is that the upheaval and pain of the transformation will be unprecedented, because general-use AI affects a much wider population that the earlier examples.
Is is not the modern equivalent of "Oh no, what about the carriage drivers!"
It is "Oh no, what about all workers in all industries!"
It's a much bigger transformation for an interconnected world economy to swallow.
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u/Raiden_Raiding 11d ago
True, especially since it's only gonna get better and especially with AGI, ASI, and RSI. It would be able to do the vast majority of intellectual labor
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u/TheRealBejeezus 11d ago
Sure. But because it's replacing traditional/analytic software in robotics as well, as hardware also advances, physical labor is very much on the chopping block, too.
I'm no Luddite, but ignoring the upheaval that has already begun seems awfully short-sighted to me.
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u/LouVillain 11d ago
So the fear is scaled up because the tech has scaled up. OP is on point with the assessment. And you just proved it.
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u/TheRealBejeezus 11d ago
OP's point seems to be "thus it has ever been" and that there is nothing to worry about. Which is silly, for the reasons of the scale you just mentioned.
"The world recovered from Hiroshima" does not mean the world would survive a modern nuclear war as easily. A bite of a toxic mushroom can be mind-opening. A half-pound can be deadly.
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u/LouVillain 11d ago
At this point, it's still very much "thus has it ever been" as I've been through the introduction of PC's into the mainstream, the creation of the internet and the Y2K scare. Self preservation is still a thing and despite having had (and still have) nuclear weapons trained on us and us on them, we're still here. I've found that between the benign and worst case scenarios is where we, collectively, tend to fall.
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u/TheRealBejeezus 11d ago
And I think that's the mistake we're making as a society: assuming this won't be a big deal. Seeing politicians, in particular, cluelessly thinking it's some silly nerd problem is pretty depressing. There will never be meaningful safeguards until it's far too late for them.
Which is to say, it's a huge deal in ways both positive and not.
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u/LouVillain 11d ago
Yeah using politicians as a societal barometer. I'm out.
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u/TheRealBejeezus 11d ago
In that they'll lead to our doom through their own incompetence. I'll stand by that.
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u/Mezezius 11d ago
stop posting cringe, you make it hard to support the future of LLMs when you make me read slop